Misconception | Hirudora

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Compare the two red boxes on each page. The hirudora on top is way bigger than the one on the bottom.

People seem to think the Hirudora used on Madara is stronger because it destroyed the Susano however this is false. That version of susano [ ] [ ] is not even that durable, Ay and Onoki were able to and .

The hirudora used on Kisame was the strongest one Gai has shown. Bigger = Stronger in most cases and in this one especially. Why?

Gai was shown charging the Hirudora used against Kisame . By charging it he made enough air pressure shown in the red box against Kisame. He then after having created all that air pressure. It had to go through water pressure as shown in the blue boxes which made it small and the final product which Kisame took was the small Hirudora in the purple box.

Against Madara Gai didnt charge any air pressure and simply launched it . Madara took the whole thing as the Hirudora wasnt changed in size between breaking through susano like it did against Kisame's GSB.


Now imagine how strong a charged Hirudora(The one used against Kisame) is when it doesnt have to go through water pressure and basically stays the same size as it explodes on the enemy. I would say it destroys V3 Legged Susano easily and even V4.
 
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Arent all techniques shown the second time weaker?

Wasn't Naruto RasenShurkien capable of killing someone 7 times he killed Kakuza 7 Hearts but it turned into a Regular Ransegan by Kishi.
Wasn't Amat suppose to be this marvelous technique but never truly killed someone of importance being one of the strongest moves in the show.

Never take strong moves that were showed multiple times serious only when they first showcase it lives to its hype
 

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What? Bigger doesn't always equal to being stronger. Naruto's FRS didn't get stronger when it expanded. Plus, a Lava RS didn't perform a straight clean cut like Chidori Sharp Spear did.

This thread basically asserted that Kisame's durability is higher than V3 Susanoo since . Gai's Hirudora being larger leads to wider reach, not being stronger.
 

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What? Bigger doesn't always equal to being stronger. Naruto's FRS didn't get stronger when it expanded. Plus, a Lava RS didn't perform a straight clean cut like Chidori Sharp Spear did.

This thread basically asserted that Kisame's durability is higher than V3 Susanoo since . Gai's Hirudora being larger leads to wider reach, not being stronger.
Did you even read the thread? Honest question because I explained exactly why Kisame survived.

Gai was shown charging the Hirudora used against Kisame . By charging it he made enough air pressure shown in the red box against Kisame. He then after having created all that air pressure. It had to go through water pressure as shown in the blue boxes which made it small and the final product which Kisame took was the small Hirudora in the purple box.

Now imagine how strong a charged Hirudora(The one used against Kisame) is when it doesnt have to go through water pressure and basically stays the same size as it explodes on the enemy. I would say it destroys V3 Legged Susano easily and even V4.
 
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So in your opinion Kisame is more durable than madara's v3 susano (despite it being not that durable)?

Kishimoto shits on keeping things on their size. He doesn't give a **** about it. Check the inconsistences on the kiuuby's size.
The second hirudora was stronger
 

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So in your opinion Kisame is more durable than madara's v3 susano (despite it being not that durable)?

Kishimoto shits on keeping things on their size. He doesn't give a **** about it. Check the inconsistences on the kiuuby's size.
The second hirudora was stronger
The one Kisame took was smaller than the one used on Madara, but look at the original size of the one Kisame took its bigger than the one used on Madara.

It shrunk because of the water pressure. But look at the original size.
 

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Terrible thread. Unless we're suggesting Kisame>> V3 Susanoo then your thread has no relevance. Xlad and EZQ addressed it all.

Say what you want to say which is Kisame>>V3 Susanoo.
 

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Terrible thread. Unless we're suggesting Kisame>> V3 Susanoo then your thread has no relevance. Xlad and EZQ addressed it all.

Say what you want to say which is Kisame>>V3 Susanoo.
You didnt even read it, all you saw was that one part and made your post. I perfectly explained everything and NO I did not say kisame > v3 susano. Learn to ****ing read. Shit is annoying as ****.

I honestly couldnt dislike this post anymore, you did the most illogical thing and simply made your own conclusions without even looking at the information.
 
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Arent all techniques shown the second time weaker?

Wasn't Naruto RasenShurkien capable of killing someone 7 times he killed Kakuza 7 Hearts but it turned into a Regular Ransegan by Kishi.
Wasn't Amat suppose to be this marvelous technique but never truly killed someone of importance being one of the strongest moves in the show.

Never take strong moves that were showed multiple times serious only when they first showcase it lives to its hype
You should think more critically about it. It's not that the techniques got weaker its the fact that the techniques are not strong enough when used on a certain someone. I mean you people expected Ay to be screaming when he was hit by Ama totally ignoring the fact that the guy chopped his own arm off so casually no hesitation or flinching and was ready to go back into the fight.

And your point about the rasenshuriken is nulled by the fact that it destroyed Human Path Pain's body only leaving a fragment of his head.
 

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You didnt even read it, all you saw was that one part and made your post. I perfectly explained everything and NO I did not say kisame > v3 susano. Learn to ****ing read. Shit is annoying as ****.

I honestly couldnt dislike this post anymore, you did the most illogical thing and simply made your own conclusions without even looking at the information.
Why should I when I know the point of this thread ? When we debated you previously to make your salty ass make this? Stay salty silly kid. Besides if you're suggesting the one against Kisame was stronger, then unless you're illiterate I don't see what exactly you're talking about. Smh
 

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Why should I when I know the point of this thread ? When we debated you previously to make your salty ass make this? Stay salty silly kid. Besides if you're suggesting the one against Kisame was stronger, then unless you're illiterate I don't see what exactly you're talking about. Smh
He charged the one against kisame yet the one he released without a charge was stronger? Get out of here. Your logic sucks and only proves I have been right the whole entire time.

Also so damn funny how you act like that giant body of water didnt completely weaken the hirudora. Had the water not been there Kisame would have died. If you read my damn thread you would see that.

I made logical points but you simply dont want to see it.
 

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With 7th Gate boost, Gai becomes able to use Hiru Tora. While Asa Kujaku is a non stop quick sequence of supersonic blows plus flaming shockwaves, created by Gai punching so fast that he burns the air, Hiru Tora is a powerful blow created by Gai punching so fast that it create an air pressure bomb; it is much more powerful than even Asa Kujaku, as Gai himself states ( )( ).
It's funny how some people try to downplay Hiru Tora's power saying that it couldn't even kill Kisame who was defeated by it but still survived it. First of all, Gai didn't have any killing intent when he fought Kisame: it was said to him to try to capture him alive ( ), hence Gai didn't want to kill Kisame; he actually didn't want to even fight him, Gai only wanted to rescue the scroll with info that Kisame stole; it was Kisame that attacked him first, everytime, he attacked Gai with Suiton: Senshokuko ( ) and Gai defeated that with Asa Kujaku, he attacked Gai again with Suiton: Daikodan ( ) and Gai defeated that with Hiru Tora that also pummeled him ( ). Gai only responded to Kisame's attacks, directed to kill him, with his own, directed to capture him alive.

So Kisame surviving Hiru Tora it's only logical because Gai didn't want to kill him in first place; he just stated that Hiru Tora was a one-hit-kill jutsu that was far more powerful than Asa Kujaku (that already killed Kisame; a clone of Kisame with 30% of the original's chakra but same strength, speed, durability and what not), and yet he wasn't even slightly surprised when Kisame was alive after being struck by it, while Gai canonically shows great surprise when an opponent is able to survive his blows, as he showed when Juubi jinchuriki Madara was able to tank his Sekizo; when Kisame was still alive after Hiru Tora, he wasn't surprised at all; because he didn't want to kill him. Also, Hiru Tora is made of air pressure and that time was used underwater, so its power was logically under his normal standard because of that; it also had to pass through Kisame's Daikodan, defeating it, before reaching Kisame, so its power dropped down furtherly; it still was enough to defeat and KO Kisame allowing Gai to easily capture him as he wanted.

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Not to mention that Gai's Hiru Tora was able to stomp away and destroy Madara's V3 Susanoo, so it makes no sense, again, for Kisame, as tough as he is, to survive it, but since Gai didn't want to kill him in the first place, and had Hiru Tora weakened underwater, here's how Kisame didn't die by that. Gai was wounded and worn out, yet he still managed to launch Hiru Tora before Madara could end his Susanoo sword attack on Naruto; Madara had Gai in front of him and yet wasn't able to do anything in time and was stomped away together with his Susanoo ( )( ). His V3 Susanoo was destroyed by Gai's Hiru Tora because Madara's Mokuton that was binding the Hachibi immediately loosened his grip the moment that Gai stomped him away with Hiru Tora ( ), and jutsu only weakens or cancels when the user is defeated.
Madara also just stated that he wanted to capture the Hachibi and Kyuubi, and yet he stayed out for all the following chapter, even if stating that he wanted to do thing seriously ( ), even if Kakashi and Naruto were overwhelming Obito and could have easily killed him; and with Obito dead, Madara couldn't have come back to real life anymore, since he couldn't have used Obito for Rinne Tensei; still Madara stayed out all that time when important things were happening, not because he didn't care to enter the fray again but because he couldn't, later he even stated that the group of Naruto, Kakashi, Gai and Bee was stronger than he expected and so detached his plans. Because Gai's Hiru Tora not only stomped his V3 Susanoo away, but also destroyed it with Madara, that had to regenerate off panel. Hitting Madara is really impressive when a non serious Edo Madara was able to casually react and block Ei's fastest speed while already distracted to dodge Mei Terumi's ninjutsu ( )( ), and destroying his V3 Susanoo with a single hit is a great feat when to destroy Madara's V1 Susanoo the Gokage needed two hits from Byakugo enhanced Tsunade and one from Onoki powered up Ei. Even the Hachibi was greatly impressed because of Gai's feat ( ).

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7th Gate Gai's speed is incredible, he is hella fast, far more than Minato or V2 Ei for example. Gai with the 7th Gate pressured Juudara far more than SM Minato did (with a far slower Edo Madara being able to casually react and block Ei's fastest speed while being already busy to dodge Mei Terumi's Yoton ninjutsu and with Gaara, who witnessed Ei's max speed and even Ei's max speed lightned by Onoki, being impressed by Gai's speed to the point of calling Gai's movements "not human"): Minato tries to surprise Juudara with Hiraishin to land Rasengan but Juudara react with ease and counterhits by cutting the attacking arm and then kicking Minato away like shit, with Minato not being able to react and use Hiraishin in both istances, Minato isn't even able to end the attack he was trying, before he is swapped away ( )( ); Gai clearly pressures Juudara with his speed and taijutsu skills, without letting him to touch him with the Gudodama staff or balls, and manages to corner him and launch his finishing attack, even if then is countered and defeated back ( )( )( ).

Minato was counterblitzed and hit, without being able to react on two hit one after another, before he could even end his finish his attack, let alone land the hit. While Gai was much faster, hence he could finish his attack, attack again, and pressure Madara, who was able to parry and dodge his hits but not that faster that he could completely counterblitz Gai like he did with Minato, hence he was pushed back and had to resort to overpowering Gai at the end. Even if in the end both Minato and 7th Gate Gai were defeated, you can clearly see how 7th Gate Gai's speed and taijutsu >>> SM Minato's reflexes and striking speed. Especially when you have Juudara swinging his Gudodama staff and cutting Minato's arm before he could even end to try to attack him with Rasengan and Juudara swinging his Gudodama staff and only overpowering, but not outspeeding, Gai's fastest punch in 7th Gate; if Gai was slower, his arm would have been cut like Minato's was.

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In spite of the Gates, other than their power up, being something that pose great strain and damage for the body of their user ( )( )( ) Gai's willpower and physical might allow him to fight with high level of Gates usage, as for the level of the Gates (even 6th ,7th, 8th), as for the time he mantains them; not that most of opponents would be able to require him fighting with Gates for an extended time, after all. After using the 6th Gate and Asa Kujaku, he is able to open the 7th Gate and use Hiru Tora to defeat Kisame and he doesn't feel any drawback until a lot of time, he is perfectly fine after using Hiru Tora ( ) (he even reacts to Kisame's slightest movement and negs him ( )( )) and after all the distance he makes to bring back Kisame to the island ( ), he only feels the drawback of Gates after Aoba finishes his interrogation of Kisame.

In the War, Gai fights for hours, using the Gates a lot of times; after being in a very tired state ( ) he jumps to fight again: he is able to open some Gates to save Kakashi from a Gudodama, then he opens the 7th Gate to fight Madara and unleash Hiru Tora, then, even with some broken ribs, he opens the 8th Gate, uses Sekizo on Madara, uses Sekizo again while fighting again against Madara but off panel, then uses Ya Gai; he is even able to immediately adapt to the unbelievable pain that his body has to endure by being in 8th Gate state ( ), and fight like it was nothing for at the very least some minutes; if he can do that with the 8th Gate, that strains the body enormously more than 7th and 6th, he can use Asa Kujaku and Hiru Tora and the relative Gated states almost freely, and for example he can literally spam Omote Renge and Ura Renge. Let's also not forget that 2nd Gate opening has healing abilities for Gai's body and stamina, it had these effects for kid Rock Lee, so imagine how it would be for Gai ( ) whose mastery is far, far, far above his beloved discipule, especially compared to his part 1 version.

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