misconception : Edo Madara's and Base Hashirama's Mokutons are in the same level

[Eng nawashi]

As the title says. So many people consider their Mokuton equal ,but this isn't true ,Base Hashirama can create Mokuton of full Kuarama's size ,Edo Madara has never displayed any Mokuton of this size or even close ,his best was doing Wooden Dragon of BM Avatar size which is waay smaller than Full Kuarama. the gap is huge ,and that is logical as Madara has just some of Hashirama cells while Hashirama is the real thing .

With that being said ,SM Madara 's Mokuton would be nowhere as strong as SM Hashirama's ,saying he can use Buddha of SM hashirama's level makes no sense

What do you think!!?

 

[KidGamer65]

They are the same size. (Mokuryu)

Mokuryu is larger than Half Kurama. It can wrap around Naruto's Avatar multiple times. Hashirama's Mokuryu can wrap around Full Kurama, but not as many times. Out of the jutsu Madara has, they are equal with Hashirama's. Mokuryu, Jukai Kotan, and Kajukai Korin.

Thought that isn't conclusive proof that he can replicate every thing in Hashirama's arsenal.

 

[Eng nawashi]

They are the same size. (Mokuryu)

Mokuryu is larger than Half Kurama. It can wrap around Naruto's Avatar multiple times. Hashirama's Mokuryu can wrap around Full Kurama, but not as many times. Out of the jutsu Madara has, they are equal with Hashirama's. Mokuryu, Jukai Kotan, and Kajukai Korin.

Thought that isn't conclusive proof that he can replicate every thing in Hashirama's arsenal.

But judging with The Dragons's heads size ,Hashirama's Dragon head was as big as Full Kuarama's head whereas Madara's Dragon head was just as big as BM Avatar's head .Hashirama's dragon could have warped around Kuarama more if

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.In worst cases ,if they are as long ,Hashirama's was more thick and bigger .

 

[Omar19992010]

They are the same size. (Mokuryu)

Mokuryu is larger than Half Kurama. It can wrap around Naruto's Avatar multiple times. Hashirama's Mokuryu can wrap around Full Kurama, but not as many times. Out of the jutsu Madara has, they are equal with Hashirama's. Mokuryu, Jukai Kotan, and Kajukai Korin.

Thought that isn't conclusive proof that he can replicate every thing in Hashirama's arsenal.

Things like the Wood Golem and God Gates are without a doubt exclusive to Hashirama. Everything else Madara can replicate or do it on a smaller scale. For example Hashirama can have Three Wood Dragons at a time while Madara can only use one.

 

[KidGamer65]

Things like the Wood Golem and God Gates are without a doubt exclusive to Hashirama. Everything else Madara can replicate or do it on a smaller scale. For example Hashirama can have Three Wood Dragons at a time while Madara can only use one.

No proof for that though. If he can't use Mokujin, then why give him Shinsuusenju? And Myojinmon isn't even Mokuton to begin with anyway.

 

[Omar19992010]

No proof for that though. If he can't use Mokujin, then why give him Shinsuusenju? And Myojinmon isn't even Mokuton to begin with anyway.

Spiral Zetsu could use Shinsuusenju on a lower scale than Hashirama and he didn't even have Sage Mode. Madara has Mokuton that can Match Base Hashirama which puts him above Spiral Zetsu and plus he has Sage Mode. He might not be able to do it on the same scale as Hashirama but I believe he can do it.

 

[KidGamer65]

Spiral Zetsu could use Shinsuusenju on a lower scale than Hashirama and he didn't even have Sage Mode. Madara has Mokuton that can Match Base Hashirama which puts him above Spiral Zetsu and plus he has Sage Mode. He might not be able to do it on the same scale as Hashirama but I believe he can do it.

Spiral Zetsu being able to use a Jutsu doesn't mean that Madara should automatically get access to that jutsu. All that means is that Madara's Mokuton will be stronger, not that he can replicate every single technique that Spiral Zetsu has ever used.

-Do we give Obito SZ's feats?

-Do we give Hashirama all of SZ Obito's feats?

-Do we give Hashirama and Madara and SZ all of Yamato's feats?

No, no and no.

 

[Gold Lightning]

They are the same size. (Mokuryu)

Mokuryu is larger than Half Kurama. It can wrap around Naruto's Avatar multiple times. Hashirama's Mokuryu can wrap around Full Kurama, but not as many times. Out of the jutsu Madara has, they are equal with Hashirama's. Mokuryu, Jukai Kotan, and Kajukai Korin.

Thought that isn't conclusive proof that he can replicate every thing in Hashirama's arsenal.

Excuse me if I'm wrong, but isn't half kurama the same size as full kurama. Next to all the other tailed beasts, he was the exact same size.

 

[Bronze]

Why did Edo Madara need to create a Mokuton as big as Full Kurama? He created a Mokuton that is proportional to BM avatar because he did it as according to the situation he was facing at. Aside from the Mokuryou, he had displayed Flower Tree World, Jukai Koutan, and Mokuton: Bunshin, which each was equal to Base Hashirama's use. If Spiral Zetsu is able to use Shinsuusenju, then SM Madara can do it as good as Hashirama, as he met the requirements to use Shinsuusenju. If it is Rinnegan Madara using Mokuton, it will outclass Hashirama's Mokuton by incomprehensible margin.

 

[Eng nawashi]

Why did Edo Madara need to create a Mokuton as big as Full Kurama? He created a Mokuton that is proportional to BM avatar because he did it as according to the situation he was facing at. Aside from the Mokuryou, he had displayed Flower Tree World, Jukai Koutan, and Mokuton: Bunshin, which each was equal to Base Hashirama's use. If Spiral Zetsu is able to use Shinsuusenju, then SM Madara can do it as good as Hashirama, as he met the requirements to use Shinsuusenju. If it is Rinnegan Madara using Mokuton, it will outclass Hashirama's Mokuton by incomprehensible margin.

I see your point ,but with feats wise Base Hashirama's Mokuton is bigger
When did Hashirama use Flower Tree World, Jukai Koutan to judge?and How would the Riningan empower Madara's Mouton!!?

 

[Bronze]

I see your point ,but with feats wise Base Hashirama's Mokuton is bigger

You're not understanding the point. Hashirama's Mokuton was bigger because the situation he was at forced him to use bigger Mokuton, as opposed to Edo Madara.

When did Hashirama use Flower Tree World

He can use it due to being the original Mokuton user.

Jukai Koutan to judge

He used it at part 1, but only weaker for obvious reasons.

and How would the Riningan empower Madara's Mouton!!?

Because Rinnegan Madara is flowing with Hagoromo's Chakra.

 

[Eng nawashi]

You're not understanding the point. Hashirama's Mokuton was bigger because the situation he was at forced him to use bigger Mokuton, as opposed to Edo Madara.

But then how are we supposed to know if Edo Madara can use Mokuton of Base Hashirama's level or not !!?that is why I said with feats wise Hashirama's Mokuton is bigger. based on what you think Edo Madara can definitely use Mokuton of Base Hashirama's level if there are no feats or statement suggest that !!?

He can use it due to being the original Mokuton user.

He used it at part 1, but only weaker for obvious reasons.

I know he can use it ,but he never displayed his scale of this said jutsus . I meant based on what you claimed that Edo Madara's Jukai Kotan and Flower Tree World are equal to Base Hashirama's!!?

Because Rinnegan Madara is flowing with Hagoromo's Chakra.

Ok

 

[Bronze]

But then how are we supposed to know if Edo Madara can use Mokuton of Base Hashirama's level or not !!?that is why I said with feats wise Hashirama's Mokuton is bigger. based on what you think Edo Madara can definitely use Mokuton of Base Hashirama's level if there are no feats or statement suggest that !!?

It's called common sense.

I know he can use it ,but he never displayed his scale of this said jutsus . I meant based on what you claimed that Edo Madara's Jukai Kotan and Flower Tree World are equal to Base Hashirama's!!?

Read above. It's common sense.

 

[Eng nawashi]

It's called common sense.



Read above. It's common sense.

You mean bronze sense Lol

 

[Xlad]

I can feel wank.

 

[Eng nawashi]

I can feel wank.

Towards who !!?

 

[KidGamer65]

Excuse me if I'm wrong, but isn't half kurama the same size as full kurama. Next to all the other tailed beasts, he was the exact same size.

That was half Kurama. Unless you are talking about when they were younger, cause that doesn't matter. Half Kurama was shown to be the same size when they used the combined Bijuu Tail slap and after Naruto and Sasuke freed them from Kaguya. Full Kurama is bigger, so logically Full Kurama should be much larger than the Bijuu.

But judging with The Dragons's heads size ,Hashirama's Dragon head was as big as Full Kuarama's head whereas Madara's Dragon head was just as big as BM Avatar's head .Hashirama's dragon could have warped around Kuarama more if

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.In worst cases ,if they are as long ,Hashirama's was more thick and bigger .

I can agree with this. Can't really dispute it anyway. Lol.

 

[Gold Lightning]

That was half Kurama. Unless you are talking about when they were younger, cause that doesn't matter. Half Kurama was shown to be the same size when they used the combined Bijuu Tail slap and after Naruto and Sasuke freed them from Kaguya. Full Kurama is bigger, so logically Full Kurama should be much larger than the Bijuu.



I can agree with this. Can't really dispute it anyway. Lol.

But where did you get it that full kurama is bigger? I know he shrunk after the RDS was used on him. But I assumed that was just a temporary thing and he would have recovered his size later.

Doesn't make sense that kurama would be so much bigger than the others, I'm sure they're all pretty much the same size

 

[KidGamer65]

But where did you get it that full kurama is bigger? I know he shrunk after the RDS was used on him. But I assumed that was just a temporary thing and he would have recovered his size later.

Doesn't make sense that kurama would be so much bigger than the others, I'm sure they're all pretty much the same size

Why would he recover his size when he never recovered his Yang chakra? If he had recovered his chakra, then both halves of Kurama wouldn't be needed for a Perfect Juubi, nor would Kurama's chakra only be Yang.

It was shown, that's what it is.