Misconception: Dojutsu can see Mu in his invisible state

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Mu's ability to hide his presence is not just simple invisibility, but he literally extinguishes his chakra to the point where it cannot be either seen or sensed - it is the same ability that Karin used to avoid detection by Cee . Why do you think that he has to go visible to use jinton? It's because he cannot mold chakra in his invisible state since he extinguishes it with his invisibility. A common misconception is that Mu can be seen with dojutsu, since Obito's sharingan saw through Taiseki's camouflage technique. The sharingan can see chakra, but it cannot see something that has no chakra. Ao (who posessed the byakugan) was at the five kage summit and did not detect Karin downstairs - so dojutsu has already been shown incapable of seeing someone with their chakras extinguished. Actual invisibility coupled with extinguished chakra is completely different than a fodder-level camouflage technique used by a low-ranking Stone ninja.

The only way Mu can be sensed is through means of physical detection - Gaara's sand sensing, Kiba's smell sensing, and Kabuto's snakes (which can smell through their tongues) are some of the few ways which Mu can be detected.
 
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it was stated that his chakra can't be sensed not th same as karin , so dojutsu can see chakra ...

edit: also he actually used jinton while invisible
 
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Agreed, and that means Kidomaru can sense him using his webs just like Gaara can sense with his sand.
 

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I agree. Unable to be dectable by Sensory Type. It said nothing about Doujutsu such as Sharingan or Byakugan which can see the color in Chakra.

One can't see the color of the chakra if there is no chakra to be seen...did you read what Kabuto said?
 

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I disagree. Madara defeated both Muu and Onoki easily. He was also detected by the sensory sand. He should be easily detected by all three eyes.
 

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I am almost certain that the sharingan can detect him. Invisibility/camouflage is an ability used from the Rock village. Obito with only 2 tomoe was able to perfectly see that invisible rock ninja. So imagine what a 3 tomoe or MS user can see just by looking at Muc sure Mu's version is more advanced that the camouflage version, but so is a 3 tomoe/MS is more advanced than a 2 tomoe sharingan.

Not sure about the byakugan but I'm confident the sharingan can see. How else did Madara fodderstomp Mu and Ohnoki at the same time. If mu's invisibly was really at undetectable, then Madara shouldn't have been able to stomp him so bad. I believe Madara's sharingan had no issue seeing him.
 

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Sharrinegan could probably detect him, if Sasuke can see Madara's clones from different dimension he will sure be able to see Muu.
 
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I disagree. You seem to forget Itachi's words: "Every jutsu has a weakness". Dojutsu could very well be another one.
We know he can't be sensed to regular means (chakra sensing jutsu), and it stops there. I think you're underrating the power of ocular ninjutsu.

Do we even know how far Ao can see? That byakugan was stolen, he could very well be unable to use it to its maximum potencial. Hence why Karin stayed off the radar.

Also, Muu erases his smell as well, meaning Kiba's eightened senses wouldn't work.
 

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speculation.
Mu used camouflage technique and extinguished his chakra in addition.
Sharingan can see it hence why madara fodderized him and ohnoki
 

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I am almost certain that the sharingan can detect him. Invisibility/camouflage is an ability used from the Rock village. Obito with only 2 tomoe was able to perfectly see that invisible rock ninja. So imagine what a 3 tomoe or MS user can see just by looking at Muc sure Mu's version is more advanced that the camouflage version, but so is a 3 tomoe/MS is more advanced than a 2 tomoe sharingan.

Not sure about the byakugan but I'm confident the sharingan can see. How else did Madara fodderstomp Mu and Ohnoki at the same time. If mu's invisibly was really at undetectable, then Madara shouldn't have been able to stomp him so bad. I believe Madara's sharingan had no issue seeing him.

Because even though invisible they still had chakra color. Muu erases his chakra completely. Its not the same.
 

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I am almost certain that the sharingan can detect him. Invisibility/camouflage is an ability used from the Rock village. Obito with only 2 tomoe was able to perfectly see that invisible rock ninja. So imagine what a 3 tomoe or MS user can see just by looking at Muc sure Mu's version is more advanced that the camouflage version, but so is a 3 tomoe/MS is more advanced than a 2 tomoe sharingan.

Not sure about the byakugan but I'm confident the sharingan can see. How else did Madara fodderstomp Mu and Ohnoki at the same time. If mu's invisibly was really at undetectable, then Madara shouldn't have been able to stomp him so bad. I believe Madara's sharingan had no issue seeing him.



obito was able to detect Taiseki because he only hides his presence ..
Muu hides his presence and his chakra
 

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Wonder how Madara soloed Mu and Ohnoki if he's undetectable.
 

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Wonder how Madara soloed Mu and Ohnoki if he's undetectable.


We didn't saw this fight

we don't know how ginkaku and kinkaku defeated 2nd hokage and 2nd raikage
we don't know what happened, did muu already created jinton and used it in this fight ?
Did he use his invisibility ?
Muu was about 20-25 years old in this fight
 

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I don't believe Kiba or snakes can smell him or is that only Zabuza(in the mist who) erases sound & smell

MS sharingan & byakugan cant see him

maybe sasukes is a different story, but...
 

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I don't think you can erase your chakra. Extinguishing his chakra could mean hiding it's presence. I think dojutsu can see through it.
 

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Wonder how Madara soloed Mu and Ohnoki if he's undetectable.

Wonder how 20 fodders from kumo took down Tobirama. It's all just speculation, Madara was portrayed at a higher level. Besides, Madara didn't solo them: they both got away.
 
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