[Misconception] Amaterasu> Rasenshuriken

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This is a theme I have seen many people use when defending sasuke. I have also seen people say TBB is solved by amaterasu'ing it. IMO this is false and I will explain why amaterasu isn't a good counter to rasenshuriken.

Amaterasu as a jutsu
Whilst amaterasu is supposedly hotter then the sun, it actually seems to burn quite slow. Karin had it on her for about a minute and it just managed to burn through her cloths. The fodder samurai had it on him for like 5 minutes yet it didn't burn through his armor. A had it on him for ages yet his arm didn't actually have burns, nor was his gauntlet the least bit damaged. Therefore it wouldn't be a stretch to infer that whilst amaterasu wil eventually burn the victim to death (since it can't be extinguished) the jutsu does't do much instantaneous damage (considerably none in the first minute or so).
Karin had it on her for about a minute and it managed to burn through her cloths.
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Raikage had it on for a while and yet no visible damage to his arm (until he cut it off himself).
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The fodder samurai had it on him for the longest period so far and yet it didn't even come close to burning through his armor.
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Amaterasu vs. Rasenshuriken
Now back to rasenshuriken, when naruto fought pain he through a few at them. It first connects then expands, all the while spinning. Again when naruto fought the raikage, it connected then expanded, all the while spinning. Kakazu is probably the best example of this trend.
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Basically what I am trying to say here is that the rasenshuriken itself can actually take some impact and continue spinning forwards before it explodes. Now given that we know that amaterasu doesn't really do that much damage early on then I highly doubt that it would stop it. Also the thing that keeps rasenshuriken going, before it expands is the rotation factor itself. Since the amaterasu isn't directly affecting this rasenshuriken should keep going strong.

Previous examples of Jutsu and Amaterasu clashes
If you have some doubts about this then think back to the Itachi/Sasuke fight. Itachi lit his own firebal jutsu with amaterasu. The black flames then consumed the fireball and then went on to consume sasuke's fireball (which was touching it). But the important point here is that whilst Itachi's fireball and Sasuke's was alight they still retained there form, with neither jutsu being 'dispelled' simply for having amaterasu on it.
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So in my opinion amatersu is not a good counter at all since it will result in the user getting hit by a now super-charged amatersu covered rasenshuriken. Tbb is also said to be incredibly dense and if amaterasu takes about a minute to burn through Karin's shirt, I highly doubt that it will cut it against a TBB. Therefore same with rasenshuriken, you now get an upgraded amaterasu covered TBB impacting you.
 
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Kamuii>amaterasu all day everyday!
 

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Okay, but what do you think about this thread which is similar to what you are trying to say? However, this fire and wind clash is on a much lower level than the one in the OP.

Once I get your opinion on my thread then I'll answer you because then we may have similar views.
 

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+Rep. I completely agree with this thread, but my only question involves Kagutsuchi. The author hasn't really explained the full properties of this techniques, which leads me to the assumption that he either forget it or he is hiding a crucial factor in the technique that be may make it overpowered.
 

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Okay, but what do you think about this thread which is similar to what you are trying to say? However, this fire and wind clash is on a much lower level than the one in the OP.

Once I get your opinion on my thread then I'll answer you because then we may have similar views.

Oh, I totally read this thread when you made it (not sure if I commented :confused:). Anyway I am inclined to agree with you. I think if the wind attack is strong enough then it should be able to resist the attack. With that said I think the wind attack would be very much downgraded. I know that real life situations don't directly relate to the narutoverse but I feel this analogy may be relevant:

"Add enough wind and you can stock/ intensify a fire considerably, yet add to much wind and you will blow it out completely"
 

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+Rep. I completely agree with this thread, but my only question involves Kagutsuchi. The author hasn't really explained the full properties of this techniques, which leads me to the assumption that he either forget it or he is hiding a crucial factor in the technique that be may make it overpowered.

What or who is Kagutsuchi???
 

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Good point it would def take a lot more than amaterasu to stop rasenshuriken
 

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Oh, I totally read this thread when you made it (not sure if I commented :confused:). Anyway I am inclined to agree with you. I think if the wind attack is strong enough then it should be able to resist the attack. With that said I think the wind attack would be very much downgraded. I know that real life situations don't directly relate to the narutoverse but I feel this analogy may be relevant:

"Add enough wind and you can stock/ intensify a fire considerably, yet add to much wind and you will blow it out completely"
I was using ranks for my argument but if I use that argument then amaterasu wins because it is bound to be an S rank fire release technique just like rasenshuriken but rasenshuriken is wind and fire>wind but I do think you made a good thread and I'll have to rethink by argument.
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What do you think about Itachi's amaterasu burning the toad wall instantly? The toad wall was supposed to be durable against fire based techniques but amaterasu burnt it instantly.
 

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What or who is Kagutsuchi???
Enton or blaze release. I didn't know either, just looked it up xd haha

+Rep. I completely agree with this thread, but my only question involves Kagutsuchi. The author hasn't really explained the full properties of this techniques, which leads me to the assumption that he either forget it or he is hiding a crucial factor in the technique that be may make it overpowered.

Good question, one that I'm not really sure on. I guess that it could be a problem if the enton techniques can create enough force to stop the rasenshuriken. The enton magetama's might have the best chance of success and possibly disrupt the flight path or the rotation itself.

But there is also a problem with that as well. As far as I can remember Sasuke has always been fairly close the the enton source he is manipulating. If infact he does use enton to counter that means the rasenshuriken may be quite close. Whilst it all well and good to slow rasenshuriken down, slowing it down means that it expands/explodes. So in a close range situation this might not have the best outcome either.
 

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You have a few flaws. Ama was not on Karin or the samurai for that long. Karin was still burned badly while the the fire only made contact to her back due to being hit by Bee's tail. Also the samurai had armor on that is why his skin wasn't actually burnt but he did pass out from the heat in his armor.

Here Ama wasn't on Nagato for long but it burnt clean through his arm.
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Here Ama burnt through the part of Sasuke's body that was covered with the flames.
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Here Ama burnt the entire chakra body of the 8 tails in very little time.
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Ama's destructive potential comes from being able to completely cover the target. My point being that it doesn't burn slowly when in contact with chakra and flesh.

I don't think that Ama would be able to burn through a TBB thanks to its density and mainly speed. Rasenshuriken might be able to be burnt through due to it moving slower but it is still a stretch that it will be gone before reaching Sasuke.
 

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You have a few flaws. Ama was not on Karin or the samurai for that long. Karin was still burned badly while the the fire only made contact to her back due to being hit by Bee's tail. Also the samurai had armor on that is why his skin wasn't actually burnt but he did pass out from the heat in his armor.

Here Ama wasn't on Nagato for long but it burnt clean through his arm.
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Here Ama burnt through the part of Sasuke's body that was covered with the flames.
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Here Ama burnt the entire chakra body of the 8 tails in very little time.
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Ama's destructive potential comes from being able to completely cover the target. My point being that it doesn't burn slowly when in contact with chakra and flesh.

I don't think that Ama would be able to burn through a TBB thanks to its density and mainly speed. Rasenshuriken might be able to be burnt through due to it moving slower but it is still a stretch that it will be gone before reaching Sasuke.
Another Nice explanation ;)
 

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I was using ranks for my argument but if I use that argument then amaterasu wins because it is bound to be an S rank fire release technique just like rasenshuriken but rasenshuriken is wind and fire>wind but I do think you made a good thread and I'll have to rethink by argument.
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What do you think about Itachi's amaterasu burning the toad wall instantly? The toad wall was supposed to be durable against fire based techniques but amaterasu burnt it instantly.
Sorry that I didn't use ranks specifically but what I meant by stronger was a higher ranking jutsu.

You have a few flaws. Ama was not on Karin or the samurai for that long. Karin was still burned badly while the the fire only made contact to her back due to being hit by Bee's tail. Also the samurai had armor on that is why his skin wasn't actually burnt but he did pass out from the heat in his armor.

Here Ama wasn't on Nagato for long but it burnt clean through his arm.
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Here Ama burnt through the part of Sasuke's body that was covered with the flames.
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Here Ama burnt the entire chakra body of the 8 tails in very little time.
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Ama's destructive potential comes from being able to completely cover the target. My point being that it doesn't burn slowly when in contact with chakra and flesh.

I don't think that Ama would be able to burn through a TBB thanks to its density and mainly speed. Rasenshuriken might be able to be burnt through due to it moving slower but it is still a stretch that it will be gone before reaching Sasuke.

I'm not sure how to respond to that really except that Kishi seems to be rather inconsistent with the damage haha. To me it seems like Itachi's version does more intense damage quicker (the toad stomach is a good example of this), which seems weird since Sasuke is better at it.

I still stand by my original post that amaterasu wouldn't stop a rasenshuriken, but you have brought very good points that I need to stew on. +'rep by the way.
 
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