Misconception about EMS regarding Izanagi & Izanami

[VongolaX]

1.I never said you don't need eyes.Stop trying to steer the conversation in a different direction.

2.Your first argument was that madara can keep his eyes after using izanagi if he has an ems(REMEMBER THAT GENIUS ?)
Well,you don't.I proved you wrong on that.



Blaclord made a good point by the way he states that he put senju dna in the wounds he got from the battlefield.
This would mean that izanagi was not used after all

So i am wrong on the fact that he didn't use izanagi.

HOWEVER

YOU GAIN NOTHING AS YOUR POINT WAS to DEFEND ANOTHER POINT WHICH YOU WERE WRONG ABOUT ANYWAY.

Then AGoodBoy posted a scan saying EMS gave birth to a completely new doujustu

Like i said before Obito had senju and uchiha dna, yet he didn't awaken the rinnegan.


That chapter you keep posting is about even if you don't awaken the rinnegan, you can still use six path technique and Gedo because of uchiha and senju dna

 

[DeadManWonderLand]

Then AGoodBoy posted a scan saying EMS gave birth to a completely new doujustu

Like i said before Obito had senju and uchiha dna, yet he didn't awaken the rinnegan.


That chapter you keep posting is about even if you don't awaken the rinnegan, you can still use six path technique and Gedo because of uchiha and senju dna

I am well aware of that.


But once again BLINDNESS AND SEALING ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.
A light that cannot go out was a metaphor for the blindness

IZANAMI AND IZANAGI are kinjustu that seals the users eye are you now saying that ems is impervious to being sealed now ?




That was before the conversation strayed from the original topic.

Madara sates you need the power of both to gain the eyes and use gedo.

He then states that even if you don't awaken the rinnegan you can still use the gedo.

The gedo just needs the dna being present but,the rinnegan doesn't always awaken which is why his eyes became rinengan later in his life.

And why despite not having a rinnegan obito still was able to use gedo.

The rinnegan does not require an ems.

If it did then madara would of straight up told him you do not posses the powers to gain the rinnegan but you can still use the gedo.

Which he did not.

He said even if you don't awaken the rinnegan which meant there was still a chance.





Your wrong about being able to use ems to use infinite Izanagi and izanani and i was wrong about him using it in the last fight.

Because it was stated that he implanted senju dna into his wounds,wounds that would not be there if izanagi was used because izanagi makes something not happen to begin with.

You then went on to imply that i meant you don't need eyes for the rinengan because i mentioned he use one of his ems eyes earlier

which i never implied i said he got eyes before his other eyes awakened.

So yes our conversation got WAY OFF TRACK and we were both wrong on that part


BUT the original topic stays unchanged

blindness and sealing are different.

 

[VongolaX]

I am well aware of that.


But once again BLINDNESS AND SEALING ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.
A light that cannot go out was a metaphor for the blindness

IZANAMI AND IZANAGI are kinjustu that seals the users eye are you now saying that ems is impervious to being sealed now ?




That was before the conversation strayed from the original topic.

Madara sates you need the power of both to gain the eyes and use gedo.

He then states that even if you don't awaken the rinnegan you can still use the gedo.

The gedo just needs the dna being present but,the rinnegan doesn't always awaken which is why his eyes became rinengan later in his life.

And why despite not having a rinnegan obito still was able to use gedo.

The rinnegan does not require an ems.

If it did then madara would of straight up told him you do not posses the powers to gain the rinnegan but you can still use the gedo.

Which he did not.

He said even if you don't awaken the rinnegan which meant there was still a chance.





Your wrong about being able to use ems to use infinite Izanagi and izanani and i was wrong about him using it in the last fight.

Because it was stated that he implanted senju dna into his wounds,wounds that would not be there if izanagi was used because izanagi makes something not happen to begin with.

You then went on to imply that i meant you don't need eyes for the rinengan just senju and uciha dna

which i never implied i said he got eyes before his other eyes awakened.

Re-state that bolded statement

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[DeadManWonderLand]

Re-read that bolded statement

you bold the part where i mention blindness and sealing are not the same.

They aren't


THE MS goes makes you blind from overuse.

EMS FIXES THAT.

IZANAGI AND IZANAMI SEAL YOUR EYES.


Going blind and sealing them are TWO different THINGS

Or madara would of never been hit fighting hashirama.


Im done since you refuse to even recognize the difference


Your logic has sasuke using it whenever he pleases then.

Whatever.

 

[- J AV -]

Well take this into consideration too, maybe this has something to do with it.....Second panel left:

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thanks yeah could be

 

[cptenn94]

Then what did he use?

The body is right there on floor, so you know it's not a genjustu

It might be actually.(partially) Madara did recieve the wound to his chest(as he implanted hashi dna to it) However its possible he may have used genjutsu to fake it being a fatal wound, and to make hashi miss his heart.

 

[warlee]

To get the rinnengan, ems is needed because rinnengan is the next level after ems and madara didn't use izanagi or his wound would be gone and he would not be stuck to gedo.

 

[Ahmed1993]

The EMS does not save your eyes from being sealed away by either izanagi or izanami

It saves you from the deteriorating effects of blindness brought upon by the MS.

Izanagi & Izanami are kinjustu that seal the powers of the eye it is cast from forever.

It is an entire separate matter from the the debilitating effects of the MS


If you are one of the people who knew this already then obviously this is not aimed at you

You don't have proof bro

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[VongolaX]

you bold the part where i mention blindness and sealing are not the same.

They aren't


THE MS goes makes you blind from overuse.

EMS FIXES THAT.

IZANAGI AND IZANAMI SEAL YOUR EYES.


Going blind and sealing them are TWO different THINGS

Or madara would of never been hit fighting hashirama.


Im done since you refuse to even recognize the difference


Your logic has sasuke using it whenever he pleases then.

Whatever.

Did you read what tobi said in the url I posted?

he said blindness

 

[ANiMUS]

Not that I am taking either side in the matter, but if you are going to state something as fact then you have to bring evidence. MS techs. cause the gradual loss of sight, izanami/ izanagi seals away sight in the eye all together, but EMS is said to give the users eyes that will never lose their light. So what facts can you give which would prove that izanagi/ izanami can take away EMS's inexhaustible light.

 

[Avinash012]

Oh thanks for the Info......

 

[lordryoko]

oh my bad itachi doesn't have EMS...sorry

guess this is another one of those scenarios