Minatos opponent

[Olorin]

well not knowing everything about a character means theyre stronger than we actually think

FTG is not overrated if you say so you just dont have any imagination on what you can do by instantaneously teleporting from one seal to the other

and A isnt as fast as minato, he was just compared to him, naruto got compared to the so6p by the fox, but i dont think he was that strong so ...

 

[Nasko]

well not knowing everything about a character means theyre stronger than we actually think

FTG is not overrated if you say so you just dont have any imagination on what you can do by instantaneously teleporting from one seal to the other

and A isnt as fast as minato, he was just compared to him, naruto got compared to the so6p by the fox, but i dont think he was that strong so ...

damn right .. you just need imagination .. i wonder if you can use a barrier on an incoming hit .. and teleport it elsewhere .. like a seal on your other hand .. and the oponent kind of hits himself (i m not saying minato can do it .. i just thing i ll be cool xd )

 

[Schmack]

1. no i dont know, srsly, madara simply had no time to use anything else against minato

2. 1st could stop the kyubi because it was a tailed beast if it was anything else with that kind of power he would get his ass kicked so badly, as for madara, he explained that he thought of the future, and madara isnt at his strongest without Senju DNA
As for minato sacrificing to seal the kyubi thats bullcrap kushiina said he didnt have to, but he did because he wanted to give kushina the oppurtunity to talk with naruto in the future when going up against the kyubi

3. he had an incomplete edo tensei, im pretty sure that orochimaru added a lot INCLUDING THE MIND MANIPULATION, so why would that technique help him, and as for space time guess what minato had it too and it was faster in my opinion and many would agree

4. Iruka said that the 3rd was ''the strongest'' to almost a kindergarten, and it was said the 4th was the strongest as well (kakashi said hes the only one who could surpass him, anko expressed longing for minato to take on oro instead of hiruzen), and there is a reason ehy the 4th went up against the kyubi not hiruzen, hiruzen was asking himself ''WHERE IS THE FOURTH??!!''

5. well easily fth and destroy all paths as for shinra and chibaku tensei yes they are flashy but are you telling me minato couldent avoid it? and naruto was almost as strong as pain, but not even yet (well at the time he kicked kisames butt) has he surpassed minato

6. 4th invented the rasengan and died so he couldent improve it, jiraiya had a lot of time BUT STILL THERE IS NO POINT IN FIREPOWER IF YOU CANT LAND A HIT, hiruzen chose him because he was his student and he thought minato was too young, yes he had sage mode buit not even in it can he match minatos FTG

7. itachi actually seems to me the only one who could actually have a good chance so ill give you that[/B]

1. learn the fact that madara was severly weakened when he was fighting minato. even then minato couldn't finish him off. also, if we're comparing madara and minato, we have to compare current madara vs minato when he died (obviously duh). not madara when he fought minato. he also have better space time ninjutsu than minato will ever have.

2. you forgot first had a lot more going for him than just his power to control tailed beasts. he had wood realease which a lot of noobs underestimate because of yamato, he clashed with madara countless times in their prime and ultimately came out on top. and for minato sacrificing himself to stop kyubi, do you honestly think he had other options? kushina said said that he didn't have to sacrifice himself to stop kyubi? then why did he? just to let kushina talk to naruto in the future? if minato was strong enough to defeat kyubi like you imply here, why didn't he just defeat kyubi? obviously he had no other option here but to sacrifice himself. or run away because if he had other means of stopping kyubi, he would've done so. minato was lamenting the fact that he could live a happy life with his family, and yet he sacrificed himself despite all that. why do you think that is? get real.

3. i don't remember anything about any context in the manga saying that 2nd had incomplete iwr or slower space time ninjutsu. it's all your speculation here. weak points not even worth refuting. come back with a more solid evidence based argument.

4. have you ever heard of something called age? you think minato will be as strong as he was when he turns 70? please. some common sense here. at the time of kyubi's invasion, 3rd was already RETIRED as a hokage. care to know why? because he was way past his prime and was getting old. yea. as for both iruka and kakashi saying that 3rd and 4th was the strongest, respectively, i'll leave it up to you cuz it's a matter of opinion of characters within the manga and we'll never find out who's the stronger unless kishi tells us. one thing i wanna say tho is that kakashi could be saying that just because minato was his teacher. just like you say that 3rd chose jiraiya becasue he was his student.

5. pain has more jutsus than minato will ever dream of having. that's a fact. first of all, his rinnegan enables him to use all 5 chakra elements even though we did not see him doing so. but it's clearly stated in the manga that all rinnegan users can and just because we didn't saw it doesn't mean it's not there. second, stop ignoring my points and answer my question with LEGIT evidence based arguments. i told you to explain to me how he can withstand shinra tensei and chibaku tensei. not come up with childish questions like 'are you telling me minato couldn't avoid it?'. ok so you think minato can avoid them i presume. where is the evidence?

and yes naruto has surpassed minato. he improved minato's techniques by leaps and bounds, became a sage at a mere age of 16, and defeated pain and became a hero in the village. this especially is a parallel to minato stopping kyubi, only he was much older and died in the process. so yea. naruto surpassed minato.

6. exactly, 4th died and had less time to improve it. unlike jiraiya. and once again you blindly assume that jiraiya can't hit those giant rasengans. say, if minato was fighting pain, all his chakra based attacks would get absorbed too, not just jiraiyas. and you keep falling back the same old ftg technique. lol. any other jutsus we saw that minato can do besides ftg, dds, and rasengan? 3 jutsus so far won't get him on my book.

7. good.

 

[Olorin]

1. learn the fact that madara was severly weakened when he was fighting minato. even then minato couldn't finish him off. also, if we're comparing madara and minato, we have to compare current madara vs minato when he died (obviously duh). not madara when he fought minato. he also have better space time ninjutsu than minato will ever have.

2. you forgot first had a lot more going for him than just his power to control tailed beasts. he had wood realease which a lot of noobs underestimate because of yamato, he clashed with madara countless times in their prime and ultimately came out on top. and for minato sacrificing himself to stop kyubi, do you honestly think he had other options? kushina said said that he didn't have to sacrifice himself to stop kyubi? then why did he? just to let kushina talk to naruto in the future? if minato was strong enough to defeat kyubi like you imply here, why didn't he just defeat kyubi? obviously he had no other option here but to sacrifice himself. or run away because if he had other means of stopping kyubi, he would've done so. minato was lamenting the fact that he could live a happy life with his family, and yet he sacrificed himself despite all that. why do you think that is? get real.

3. i don't remember anything about any context in the manga saying that 2nd had incomplete iwr or slower space time ninjutsu. it's all your speculation here. weak points not even worth refuting. come back with a more solid evidence based argument.

4. have you ever heard of something called age? you think minato will be as strong as he was when he turns 70? please. some common sense here. at the time of kyubi's invasion, 3rd was already RETIRED as a hokage. care to know why? because he was way past his prime and was getting old. yea. as for both iruka and kakashi saying that 3rd and 4th was the strongest, respectively, i'll leave it up to you cuz it's a matter of opinion of characters within the manga and we'll never find out who's the stronger unless kishi tells us. one thing i wanna say tho is that kakashi could be saying that just because minato was his teacher. just like you say that 3rd chose jiraiya becasue he was his student.

5. pain has more jutsus than minato will ever dream of having. that's a fact. first of all, his rinnegan enables him to use all 5 chakra elements even though we did not see him doing so. but it's clearly stated in the manga that all rinnegan users can and just because we didn't saw it doesn't mean it's not there. second, stop ignoring my points and answer my question with LEGIT evidence based arguments. i told you to explain to me how he can withstand shinra tensei and chibaku tensei. not come up with childish questions like 'are you telling me minato couldn't avoid it?'. ok so you think minato can avoid them i presume. where is the evidence?

and yes naruto has surpassed minato. he improved minato's techniques by leaps and bounds, became a sage at a mere age of 16, and defeated pain and became a hero in the village. this especially is a parallel to minato stopping kyubi, only he was much older and died in the process. so yea. naruto surpassed minato.

6. exactly, 4th died and had less time to improve it. unlike jiraiya. and once again you blindly assume that jiraiya can't hit those giant rasengans. say, if minato was fighting pain, all his chakra based attacks would get absorbed too, not just jiraiyas. and you keep falling back the same old ftg technique. lol. any other jutsus we saw that minato can do besides ftg, dds, and rasengan? 3 jutsus so far won't get him on my book.

7. good.

1. i doubt that madara was complete before he got his senju DNA and minatos space time is faster than madaras

2. wood, however powerful is not enough for the fourth, as i said firepower is no good if u cant land a hit, yes the 1st was strong, but he is overrated because he beat madara (which is debatable) in his ''most powerful'' time (also debatable because as i said he didnt yet have the senju dna)

3. kabuto said that orochimaru COMPLETED edo tensei, and oro used his own kunai to manipulate edo summons minds

4. thank you for agreeing on this one to some degree, however i must insist that 4th can beat the 3rd, 3rd knew a lot of jutsus but cmon srsly what else was there, he wasnt rly that fast, he wasnt too good at taijutsu (still very good just not outstanding) and yes i do agree age affected him but still common sense narrates towards minato on this one

5. well yes he has a lot of jutsu, but so do many shinobi and they still get pwned by a jutsu like amaterasu, but yes pain had even more up his sleeve but for CT and ST minato could just teleport to his home drink some tea and reenter the battle, and yamato said that naruto still isnt as good as minato, and he doesent yet have his most powerful tech FTG

6. you fail with this one, how will jiraiya even land a hit? and he has more sealing jutsus, but he DOESENT need anything more than rasengan and FTG because he can just rasengan anyone from the back so fast they wouldnt have the time to say shinra tensei

as for you saying i bring up too much FTG is totally ignorant, its like saying that when arguing for itachi we mention to much MS or for pain to much rinnegan or for madara to much EMS, oh yea snd lets take away hashiramas wood element and kabutos edo tensei while were at it


but please describe how the battle would actually go against minato ive described what minato has to do to win against them at the beginning, or do you not have a scenario how they could beat minato?

 

[Schmack]

1. i doubt that madara was complete before he got his senju DNA and minatos space time is faster than madaras

2. wood, however powerful is not enough for the fourth, as i said firepower is no good if u cant land a hit, yes the 1st was strong, but he is overrated because he beat madara (which is debatable) in his ''most powerful'' time (also debatable because as i said he didnt yet have the senju dna)

3. kabuto said that orochimaru COMPLETED edo tensei, and oro used his own kunai to manipulate edo summons minds

4. thank you for agreeing on this one to some degree, however i must insist that 4th can beat the 3rd, 3rd knew a lot of jutsus but cmon srsly what else was there, he wasnt rly that fast, he wasnt too good at taijutsu (still very good just not outstanding) and yes i do agree age affected him but still common sense narrates towards minato on this one

5. well yes he has a lot of jutsu, but so do many shinobi and they still get pwned by a jutsu like amaterasu, but yes pain had even more up his sleeve but for CT and ST minato could just teleport to his home drink some tea and reenter the battle, and yamato said that naruto still isnt as good as minato, and he doesent yet have his most powerful tech FTG

6. you fail with this one, how will jiraiya even land a hit? and he has more sealing jutsus, but he DOESENT need anything more than rasengan and FTG because he can just rasengan anyone from the back so fast they wouldnt have the time to say shinra tensei

as for you saying i bring up too much FTG is totally ignorant, its like saying that when arguing for itachi we mention to much MS or for pain to much rinnegan or for madara to much EMS, oh yea snd lets take away hashiramas wood element and kabutos edo tensei while were at it


but please describe how the battle would actually go against minato ive described what minato has to do to win against them at the beginning, or do you not have a scenario how they could beat minato?

1. seriously, don't make me repeat things. we are comparing CURRENT madara with minato. madara is still alive. minato is dead. No, he wasn't as strong as he is now without his senju dna back then, but you can't argue with the fact that the current madara vastly outclasses minato in every possible way.

2. once again you are stuck in the same old cycle. you automaically assume without any solid evidence that first can't land a single hit on minato. we are not comparing the two by their techniques. in other words, we are not doing wood release vs ftg. that's just a noob's way of comparing and will only lead to some bullshit imagination in favor of whatever character you are defending. we are comparing the two by what they have DONE. i'll lay it out for you so it's clear.

- first hokage and fourth hokage both fought the same opponent. madara/kyubi.

- first hokage stopped both madara and kyubi and survived. and no he did not fight madara at his strongest. the current madara is his strongest. but either way madara still was stronger than when he fought minato.

- fourth hokage stopped weakened madara and had to sacrifice himself to stop kyubi. and if you're still stubbornly convinced that minato didn't have to sacrifice himself and that he could've defeated kyubi, read my previous post more carefully and see what i have to say.

telling me to explain how each battle between characters would turn out based on something like wood release vs ftg, ms vs ftg is just plain stupid and will get us nowhere. only kishi can decide what the outcome is in that kind of comparison. as readers, all we can do is base our arguments on what we have seen in the manga so far. not come up with some silly vs story of our own.

3. the old tsuchikage who was summoned by iwr knows the technique as '2nd hokage's wretched technique'. obviously it was still usable. sure oro and kabuto vastly improved the technique, but the same thing happened with minato, jiraiya, and naruto. jiraiya came up with his own giant rasengan and then naruto completed rasenshuriken. just like the original rasengan is usable now, the original iwr was usable too. otherwise tsuchikage wouldn't know about it.

4. i don't understand what you're talking about. i never agreed with you on anything in this one. do you perhaps mean when i said that it's a matter of characters' opinion who's the stronger one? or you mean when i said that kakashi only says minato is the strongest one because minato was his teacher? that was only to prove that just like in your logic, which is '3rd only chose jiraiya over minato because jiraiya was his student', kakashi could be biased too in saying that 4th is the strongest.

you have no evidence whatsoever to back you argument up in this one. no one ever saw what 3rd was capable of doing in his prime. all we ever saw was a watered down version of his former strength. yet he still managed to inflict a fatal wound on orochimaru. as i told you before at the time of kyubi's invasion 3rd was already way past his prime. you are judging 3rd's strength based on his old self and that's just sadU_U

5. teleport to avoid shinra tensei and reenter the battle. and then what? just keep teleporting? no matter how you look at it. in order for minato to defeat pain, he has to get in close range. and don't forget, pain destroyed the area equivalent of the entire leaf village in one single attack. not to mention 6 bodies of pain and the real nagato. dude just get real for a change. with 3 techniques in his arsenal, minato stands no chance. he doesn't even have the raw power of kyubi like naruto. if he shows more stuff then i'm willing to change my mind based on what he can do. but as of now, 4th is completely underwhelming in my eyes.

6. jiraiya in sage mode is no slouch. period. if you don't reallize that, you need to reread the part jiraiya vs pain. firstly, he outclasses minato by miles in pure physical power. all sages do. in speed, watch the part where jiraiya kicks pain in the face. minato outspeeds jiraiya for sure, but jiraiya is by no mean a slouch like you make him out to be and can land hits on minato.

you say minato can ftg rasengan anybody from the back but that is just laughable... xd once again your favoritism leads to imagination without any evidence. all chakra based techniques WILL get absorbed by pain. you can't argue with that. it even absorbed jiraiya's giant rasenga which is multiple times bigger than minato's puny original rasengan.

as for jiraiya dealing with minato, sage mode is pretty obvious and then there's jiraiya's barrier techniques. if you remember in jiraiya vs pain he creates a barrier that detects the slightest movement of the enemy. so no matter how fast ftg is jiraiya will always have time to react. not to mention all the sealing techniques and summoning techniques he can do. now i explained how jiraiya might handle minato. explain to me how minato would handle jiraiya, other than the retarded 'minato will ftg rasengan everyone from the back'. give me a REASONABLE argument with solid evidence from the manga. you still haven't given me anything solid at all. just your specculation and imagination.

 

[Olorin]

1. seriously, don't make me repeat things. we are comparing CURRENT madara with minato. madara is still alive. minato is dead. No, he wasn't as strong as he is now without his senju dna back then, but you can't argue with the fact that the current madara vastly outclasses minato in every possible way.

2. once again you are stuck in the same old cycle. you automaically assume without any solid evidence that first can't land a single hit on minato. we are not comparing the two by their techniques. in other words, we are not doing wood release vs ftg. that's just a noob's way of comparing and will only lead to some bullshit imagination in favor of whatever character you are defending. we are comparing the two by what they have DONE. i'll lay it out for you so it's clear.

- first hokage and fourth hokage both fought the same opponent. madara/kyubi.

- first hokage stopped both madara and kyubi and survived. and no he did not fight madara at his strongest. the current madara is his strongest. but either way madara still was stronger than when he fought minato.

- fourth hokage stopped weakened madara and had to sacrifice himself to stop kyubi. and if you're still stubbornly convinced that minato didn't have to sacrifice himself and that he could've defeated kyubi, read my previous post more carefully and see what i have to say.

telling me to explain how each battle between characters would turn out based on something like wood release vs ftg, ms vs ftg is just plain stupid and will get us nowhere. only kishi can decide what the outcome is in that kind of comparison. as readers, all we can do is base our arguments on what we have seen in the manga so far. not come up with some silly vs story of our own.

3. the old tsuchikage who was summoned by iwr knows the technique as '2nd hokage's wretched technique'. obviously it was still usable. sure oro and kabuto vastly improved the technique, but the same thing happened with minato, jiraiya, and naruto. jiraiya came up with his own giant rasengan and then naruto completed rasenshuriken. just like the original rasengan is usable now, the original iwr was usable too. otherwise tsuchikage wouldn't know about it.

4. i don't understand what you're talking about. i never agreed with you on anything in this one. do you perhaps mean when i said that it's a matter of characters' opinion who's the stronger one? or you mean when i said that kakashi only says minato is the strongest one because minato was his teacher? that was only to prove that just like in your logic, which is '3rd only chose jiraiya over minato because jiraiya was his student', kakashi could be biased too in saying that 4th is the strongest.

you have no evidence whatsoever to back you argument up in this one. no one ever saw what 3rd was capable of doing in his prime. all we ever saw was a watered down version of his former strength. yet he still managed to inflict a fatal wound on orochimaru. as i told you before at the time of kyubi's invasion 3rd was already way past his prime. you are judging 3rd's strength based on his old self and that's just sadU_U

5. teleport to avoid shinra tensei and reenter the battle. and then what? just keep teleporting? no matter how you look at it. in order for minato to defeat pain, he has to get in close range. and don't forget, pain destroyed the area equivalent of the entire leaf village in one single attack. not to mention 6 bodies of pain and the real nagato. dude just get real for a change. with 3 techniques in his arsenal, minato stands no chance. he doesn't even have the raw power of kyubi like naruto. if he shows more stuff then i'm willing to change my mind based on what he can do. but as of now, 4th is completely underwhelming in my eyes.

6. jiraiya in sage mode is no slouch. period. if you don't reallize that, you need to reread the part jiraiya vs pain. firstly, he outclasses minato by miles in pure physical power. all sages do. in speed, watch the part where jiraiya kicks pain in the face. minato outspeeds jiraiya for sure, but jiraiya is by no mean a slouch like you make him out to be and can land hits on minato.

you say minato can ftg rasengan anybody from the back but that is just laughable... xd once again your favoritism leads to imagination without any evidence. all chakra based techniques WILL get absorbed by pain. you can't argue with that. it even absorbed jiraiya's giant rasenga which is multiple times bigger than minato's puny original rasengan.

as for jiraiya dealing with minato, sage mode is pretty obvious and then there's jiraiya's barrier techniques. if you remember in jiraiya vs pain he creates a barrier that detects the slightest movement of the enemy. so no matter how fast ftg is jiraiya will always have time to react. not to mention all the sealing techniques and summoning techniques he can do. now i explained how jiraiya might handle minato. explain to me how minato would handle jiraiya, other than the retarded 'minato will ftg rasengan everyone from the back'. give me a REASONABLE argument with solid evidence from the manga. you still haven't given me anything solid at all. just your specculation and imagination.

1. yes i do think that minato would still have a chance against current madara

2. so what if they fought the same opponent, who cares they both won, and it is more important to imagine a fight than to just say who the character had beaten before in vs threads, and yes kokuton is too slow for minato AND FTG IS EXTREMELY POWERFUL EVEN IF NOT IN A FLASHY SENSE ITS THE MOST USEFUL TECHNIQUE I KNOW EXCEPT FOR MAYBE EDO TENSEI

3. there can be a difference in the 1st stage of rasenga compared to rasenshuriken and edo t and its final stage and adding a mind manipulation shit seems prettys damn important

4. if he had some sort of super jutsu instead of just his element jutsu he isnt all that powerful, the best thing kinda seemed that monkey

5. have you seen how long nagato needs before he can use ST again after using a large scale attack so minato would easily come close range

6. yes jiraiya has the barrier but if minato is faster how can he blosk him?


and you telling me to stop rellying on ftg is idiotic (sorry but its true) because that is minatos most powerful tech, and as for saying imagination is bullshit, no you can actually play the fight in your head and figure out how it will go based on what you know if you arent an idiot

so if you think of not having imagination to see how the fight would go and only drawing conclusions from the past is an arguement than you sir are really mistaken

 

[Schmack]

1. yes i do think that minato would still have a chance against current madara

2. so what if they fought the same opponent, who cares they both won, and it is more important to imagine a fight than to just say who the character had beaten before in vs threads, and yes kokuton is too slow for minato AND FTG IS EXTREMELY POWERFUL EVEN IF NOT IN A FLASHY SENSE ITS THE MOST USEFUL TECHNIQUE I KNOW EXCEPT FOR MAYBE EDO TENSEI

3. there can be a difference in the 1st stage of rasenga compared to rasenshuriken and edo t and its final stage and adding a mind manipulation shit seems prettys damn important

4. if he had some sort of super jutsu instead of just his element jutsu he isnt all that powerful, the best thing kinda seemed that monkey

5. have you seen how long nagato needs before he can use ST again after using a large scale attack so minato would easily come close range

6. yes jiraiya has the barrier but if minato is faster how can he blosk him?


and you telling me to stop rellying on ftg is idiotic (sorry but its true) because that is minatos most powerful tech, and as for saying imagination is bullshit, no you can actually play the fight in your head and figure out how it will go based on what you know if you arent an idiot

so if you think of not having imagination to see how the fight would go and only drawing conclusions from the past is an arguement than you sir are really mistaken

1. you think. provide argument based on the evidence through out the manga.

2. no minato didn't win. while both madara and kyubi are still alive, minato is dead and gone. that's not winning. and once again you are missing the whole point. no matter how many times i tell you you just don't get it. 'it is more important to imagine a fight'? that's just called imagination. and as i have told you before, will only lead to a shitstorm of favoritism and stupid, biased opinions that no one gives a damn about. comparisons like these should be soley based on the known facts and evidence in the manga, and nothing more.

and no you are not convincing anyone with your baseless 'and yes kokuton is too slow for minato AND FTG IS EXTREMELY POWERFUL EVEN IF NOT IN A FLASHY SENSE ITS THE MOST USEFUL TECHNIQUE I KNOW EXCEPT FOR MAYBE EDO TENSEI' (i assume you meant mokuton) argument. once again you fail to provide any solid evidence despite all these argument and your blind favoritism is getting silly.

3. you are not getting my point at all here. what i'm saying is that while 2nd's iwr was incomplete like you said, it was still usable. and of course there is huge difference between them. that's the whole point of improving something. so my point that you are not getting is:

-original iwr: usable
-oro's improved iwr: better version
-kabuto's iwr: even better version

just like

-minato's rasengan: usable
-jiraiya's giant rasenga: better version
-naruto's rasenshuriken: even better version

that clear enough?

4. once again you are judging 3rd's strength based on his old self like i told you. without any evidence you automatically assume 3rd's performance in oro fight is the best he can do, while not providing any evidence that 4th can defeat him. at this point, i really have to call you biased.

5. and within that time, the other 5 bodies of pain stands still?

6. minato and sage jiraiya doesn't have that much of a speed difference. minato sure is faster, but it's not like the speed gap is like that between a genin and a jonin. you keep implying that minato can rapestomp jiraiya in speed contest. sorry dawg, he can't. he's faster, but not by miles. jiraiya, as evidenced in pain fight is plenty fast. the barrier is there to react to what's coming and buy him some time to close that speed gap.

i never told you minato should stop relying on ftg. don't make up bogus statement that i haven't even said to get back at me. it's just not smart. what i said was that minato's array of jutsus is pathetic compared to the likes of madara or pain. at least from what we have seen so far. after all why should minato stop relying on ftg? it's the technique that makes him who he is. his bread and butter. without it, i daresay he would be as strong as a regular jonin. so no minato should not stop relying on ftg, and no i did not say he should.

so if you think of not having imagination to see how the fight would go and only drawing conclusions from the past is an arguement than you sir are really mistaken

lmfao, just a reminder buddy. minato is DEAD. therefore, we can only draw conclusion from the past which we have seen. it's not like he's suddenly gonna come back to life and start getting stronger. get real.

 

[Mugetsu]

-Sarutobi (in his prime years)
-First
-Madara
-Sage Of Six Paths

I can't think of anymore right now. It would be easier if you asked "who wouldn't be able to beat Minato" hahaha

 

[Olorin]

@Schmack

i dont rly have time to argue for this, im getting out of this one, all i intended is to state my point, not to actually convience anyone but i got dragged inn anyway, i know people have their own opinion and its right so otherwise it wouldnt be interesting

we both have different views and its pointless to try and change each others mind because that wont happen and it would just be a further waste of time, i agree you brought up some good stuff, but you have to agree i have too

well cyu XD XD

 

[Schmack]

@Schmack

i dont rly have time to argue for this, im getting out of this one, all i intended is to state my point, not to actually convience anyone but i got dragged inn anyway, i know people have their own opinion and its right so otherwise it wouldnt be interesting

we both have different views and its pointless to try and change each others mind because that wont happen and it would just be a further waste of time, i agree you brought up some good stuff, but you have to agree i have too

well cyu XD XD

i agree with you man this dragged on for too long and we're gettin nowhere. and i do respect your points. it's just that i can get overly agressive when i'm arguing. o well i have my faults. i apologize if you thought i was being kinda rude.

 

[McKnockout]

Minato isn't even that strong (he didn't get to reach his prime). I'd say the 1st, 2nd, 3rd Hokage would have a good chance of beating him. Sasuke, Itachi and Naruto may be able to beat him as well.

 

[sharingan977]

regardless of why he did

he still had to...-_-

after the fight wit the first he became weaker foo
if madara was in his prime like when he fought 1st 4th would be dead and madara would have taken over the world

haha man u talk as if u were the manga creator or something...theres simply no logic in what you say...he had to seal the beast because trying to fight it would have caused more damage to the village!

 

[mookyuzamaki]

haha man u talk as if u were the manga creator or something...theres simply no logic in what you say...he had to seal the beast because trying to fight it would have caused more damage to the village!

(no favoritism)
that has nothing to do with what i said

madara in his prime
"(same strength when he fought 1st)"
will beat 4th



from what i seen the 4th does not have in his arrsenal to beat a tailed beast


and a host at that

he can deflect stuff but in the end

he will half to use reaper seal

thats my point nothing less

:flaw:


i may be a girl but i know my stuff<3

 

[Nasko]

1st of all .. if we imagine the frogs takes side .. we have to mantion that gamabunta was better cooperating with manato than jiraya .. and still minato have the contract seal which can remove ma and pa from jira's side. ( the same thing completely f*cks up pain's animal path but that's somethg else )
It's arguable if jira would have time to react to minato's speed even with the barrier. Minatos normal rasengan shown to be bigger and more intense than the other rasengang users ... so let's just imagine that minato has some another version of rasengan .. i m not talking about elemental one .. just some big or .. faster or smtng. I know this is not an argument but i hope you ll see my point.
Minato might be the only one who knows the true potential of the rasengan. He observed tailed beast's ball and created the exact same copy ..

 

[Olorin]

i agree with you man this dragged on for too long and we're gettin nowhere. and i do respect your points. it's just that i can get overly agressive when i'm arguing. o well i have my faults. i apologize if you thought i was being kinda rude.

same here, sorry, but it was fun for a while


well i hope we see more about Minato, Hashirama and Madara

so far the manga hasnt really done them justice from the point of view of many fans

 

[Stewie Griffin]

noone thats who

 

[konohashinobi]

The 4th Hokage was the weakest of the past Hokage... I hate how everyone gives him so mush hype :flaw:

yeah he was good but not the best there are 20 other Ninja that can Kill him.

I agree! yes he was smart, but then what do we know apart from the FTG? wasnt that even used by the second hokage?

 

[Olorin]

I agree! yes he was smart, but then what do we know apart from the FTG? wasnt that even used by the second hokage?

no the 2nd didnt have FTG