Let's squash this whole kcm debate. Minato had access to it as soon as he had the kyuubi's chkara seal and he was alive at that point. So it's not the difference between alive or edo Minato, as edo tensei obviously didn't give him that ability. It's pre rds vs after rds.
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It's what i'm using in this thread so actually try debate about it rather than deny it's existence or is it because you've got no counters and are finding it easier to say "no he can't use it"?
This isn't like he got it and then died.
To get it he used a jutsu that causes him to die in return. Its really as simple as that. The chakra numbed his body when he first sealed it in himself, yet for some odd and ridiculous reason, you think that he can go in KCM...if the chakra hurts his body when he was alive by it just being inside of him, why would he be able to use it? Huh? Exactly, he wouldn't.
He had to die to get the chakra, so he can't use it. His body couldn't handle the chakra, so he can't use it. It really shouldn't be a debate, its just common sense.
If you're going to resort to using a fanfiction Minato in this thread I'm not going to bother wasting my time with you.
So using ftg counts as a forfiet, by your logic he forfieted against the juubi because he teleported the othe Hokage's far away. No his range is just huge as is Hashi's it's not forfieting. Hashirama doesn't use big techniques right off the bat, Minato who should have a general idea of Hashirama can set this up with clones whilst Hashirama is doing the small techniques first. It doesn't have to be immediately when he see's it.
lol? Well, Hashirama, thanks for telling me what you do and what you don't do. Hashirama's basic techniques are large scale, so unless you are telling me he is going sit there and do nothing, he will use a big technique, simple as that.
Minato should have a general idea of the range of Hashirama's techniques? Where you pulling this nonsense from? Surely not the manga.
lol? Nice try, but if he teleports away from the forest and doesn't come back what do you think that means? It means he ran away, forfeit. Simple as that.
By your logic Itachi can only use izanami as an edo because that's the only time he's ever used it. Rest is irrelevant because kcm is involved in this thread, give counter points and don't waste time continuing to deny the ability.
He can't use it when he was alive as he died to get it. He can't use it when he was alive as the chakra numbed his body when he first used it, obviously his body can't handle it so he can't use it. Simple as that.
Did Izanami cause Itachi's body to numb when he's alive? Can his body not handle it? Did he have to die to get the technique? Obviously not. Next time you say "By your logic" Make sure you actually make some goddamn sense and stop bringing up flawed comparisons.
No, this thread is about Alive Minato, KCM is only usable by Edo Minato only.
I've acknowledged it comes from the ground as well, but it didn't stop Naruto's wall of rasengans. Also what part of multiple angles do you not get, if Minato has one clone covering the ground as well then it's not a problem.
S/T Barrier spawns in FRONT of Minato. Hashirama's Jukai Kotan and FTW grow
upwards to the sky. There is no using S/T Barrier because the barrier doesn't spawn up in the air above where the forest is growing nor is the forest growing towards him. You mention Naruto blocking Madara's Jukai Kotan like it has any relevance here, even though that is the one the grows and shoots right toward the target.
Multiple clones for Multiple angles isn't helping when the forest grows away from the barrier.
What do you mean it comes from the ground "as well"? They all come from the ground, one goes toward the enemy while one goes toward the sky.
End of days mentioned Gamabunta, that's good enough. Explain to me how him getting stabbed in the gut buy a huge nail and powering through that to finish what he started doesn't equate to will power. Most people would not act like that with a giant nail in them and their wife.
Gamabunta for what? Gamabunta isn't saving him from a Flower Tree World, that grows up to the sky and has the same scale as the one Madara used in the manga. Gamabunta would get caught just like Hiruzen was.
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Even if he can wake up via willpower, the only way to fully counter the technique is to get rid of the flowering plants, and by the time he would wake up, Hashirama would have killed him anyway.
As I said warp the only part that's in range. The forest is huge and so is the distance between each flower.
Pollen comes out and spreads across the whole forest. No flowers in the immediate range of where the Gokage were and they still fell asleep.
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He can't get rid of all of them before he falls asleep.
