Minato's chances to beat EMS Madara

[NarutoX28]

He could simply use FTG along with his Kurama Avatar. Before that, Minato's Kurama has better mobility than anything Madara's Susanoo has ever shown. Your claim is baseless that he won't be able to hit Susanoo with a couple of TBB's.

Minato's Kurama Avatar having better mobility is entirely baseless and FTG is pointless when he can't get anywhere near him in the first place.

Your making a baseless assumption by stating he can hit Madara's PS with multiple TBB. Madara's PS is much faster and can easily repel his Bijuudama with Shockwaves. There's absolutely no reason why he'd land multiple TBB as easily as you think he can.

 

[NarutoX28]

Well i gave you the benefit of the doubt and you didn't take it. So ill just bring manga scans to refute your claim. The scan you provided with Naruto, Sasuke and Obito is irrelevant to Hashi and Madara. I said in the anime the explosions were very minimal.

Here you can see that Madara fired several TBBs, upon impact with Hashirama's SS you can see that they did not explode.

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Furthermore judging by the impact and motion of Hashirama's attack you can see that the explosion of dust was caused by Hashi. WHY? Because Hashi is punching downward with his SS and the aftereffects of the explosion are going in an upward motion. As shown here:

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Stop trying to convince yourself that Hashi didn't cause that explosion.

That's wrong when a Bijuudama explosion such as this:

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Can easily contribute to the majority of the VoTE explosion, so there's no reason why Madara's PS wasn't engulfed by an explosion caused by dozens of Full Kurama's Bijuudama. If the Bijuudama didn't detonate, then where did they go?

 

[Simbv]

Minato's Kurama Avatar having better mobility is entirely baseless and FTG is pointless when he can't get anywhere near him in the first place.

Your making a baseless assumption by stating he can hit Madara's PS with multiple TBB. Madara's PS is much faster and can easily repel his Bijuudama with Shockwaves. There's absolutely no reason why he'd land multiple TBB as easily as you think he can.

There isn't 1 reason why Minato having better mobility than Madara's megaton Susanoo is baseless. I'm not even going to give this statement a proper response.

I'm still waiting on those TBB tanking scans though.

That's wrong when a Bijuudama explosion such as this:

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Can easily contribute to the majority of the VoTE explosion, so there's no reason why Madara's PS wasn't engulfed by an explosion caused by dozens of Full Kurama's Bijuudama. If the Bijuudama didn't detonate, then where did they go?

The manga doesn't show them exploding, i literally gave you the benefit of the doubt when i said the explosions were minimal or non existent according to the anime. But you didn't want to take it. The manga shows that they didn't explode, are you going to refute the manga? The scans you posted shows Bijuudama's exploding, if all TBB exploded like that , then why is the dust cloud going in a perfect upward motion? If Madara contributed to that explosion, shouldn't the direction of the explosion been affected? The answer is yes, Hashirama caused that with his SS alone.

 

[BLAZE]

The maga nvr Showed Itachi using Susanoo to tank Kirin so Base Itachi>Kirin

yeah nice logic

 

[Simbv]

The maga nvr Showed Itachi using Susanoo to tank Kirin so Base Itachi>Kirin

yeah nice logic

Wait what was that?

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Itachi said from his own mouth it hit him.

 

[NarutoX28]

There isn't 1 reason why Minato having better mobility than Madara's megaton Susanoo is baseless. I'm not even going to give this statement a proper response.

I'm still waiting on those TBB tanking scans though.

All right, you haven't given me perfect reasoning here, so I guess you concede. FTG alone is not enough to suggest he has greater mobility as he needs to safely get within range of Madara's PS in order to use it.

The manga doesn't show them exploding, i literally gave you the benefit of the doubt when i said the explosions were minimal or non existent according to the anime. But you didn't want to take it. The manga shows that they didn't explode, are you going to refute the manga?

If they didn't detonate, then we wouldn't have seen a massive explosion instead of the Bijuudama simply "vanishing" out of thin air. There's absolutely nothing logical in what you're suggesting here. The Bijuudama couldn't have just "vanished" unless they detonated. It's as simple as that.

The scans you posted shows Bijuudama's exploding, if all TBB exploded like that , then why is the dust cloud going in a perfect upward motion? If Madara contributed to that explosion, shouldn't the direction of the explosion been affected? The answer is yes, Hashirama caused that with his SS alone.

Because this isn't the first time we've seen explosions cause a similar effect:

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Why would the direction of the explosion be affected?

 

[Simbv]

All right, you haven't given me perfect reasoning here, so I guess you concede. FTG alone is not enough to suggest he has greater mobility as he needs to safely get within range of Madara's PS in order to use it.

I don't concede, its just foolish to assume Minato with a Kurama avatar and FTG doesn't have better mobility than Madara's Susanoo, i'm just going to leave it at that.

If they didn't detonate, then we wouldn't have seen a massive explosion instead of the Bijuudama simply "vanishing" out of thin air. There's absolutely nothing logical in what you're suggesting here. The Bijuudama couldn't have just "vanished" unless they detonated. It's as simple as that.

Because this isn't the first time we've seen explosions cause a similar effect:

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Why would the direction of the explosion be affected?

Like i said before Hashi caused the explosion.

The explosion is going in a perfect upward motion, Hashirama punched downward with his SS. Madara fired multiple TBB straight forward towards Hashi. The ensuing explosion shouldn't have gone in a perfect upward motion if the TBB Madara fired exploded right then and there. Simple Logic. Not saying they vanished into thin air, but they didn't explode on impact with Hashi's statue, according to the manga. Ill also leave this at that.

 

[BLAZE]

Wait what was that?

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Itachi said from his own mouth it hit him.

Oh my bad but point remains.You are literally basing your assumptions on anime despite the fact their was an Explosion that happened after the clashed and literally damaged bothh SS and Eso Susanoo.If it was hashirama alone madara would have been pasted by that

about not being shown thing u cannot say Shukau cannot use BD becoz he was nvr shown using it or Sakura cannot use Yin Seal:Release becoz she was nvr shown using it

the explosion is similiar to BD but on a very large scale becoz of multiple factors like SS,Full kurama and ps blade.Add the fact non of hashi's jutsu has shown causing explosion like that while both BD and PS blade has

 

[Simbv]

Oh my bad but point remains.You are literally basing your assumptions on anime despite the fact their was an Explosion that happened after the clashed and literally damaged bothh SS and Eso Susanoo.If it was hashirama alone madara would have been pasted by that

about not being shown thing u cannot say Shukau cannot use BD becoz he was nvr shown using it or Sakura cannot use Yin Seal:Release becoz she was nvr shown using it

the explosion is similiar to BD but on a very large scale becoz of multiple factors like SS,Full kurama and ps blade.Add the fact non of hashi's jutsu has shown causing explosion like that while both BD and PS blade has

I'm basing my statements on the manga not the anime. I was giving you the benefit of the doubt when i said in the anime the explosions were very minimal when they clashed with Hashi's statue But, you(or was it the other guy) didn't want benefit of the doubt from the anime so i referred to the manga which shows that they didn't explode on impact with Hashi's statue at all. And i'm not going to refute the manga when its literally black and white(no pun intended) that the TBB's didn't explode upon impact with SS. We make assumptions when the manga doesn't give enough information about something, so we try to use the manga facts to support our claims.

For instance, im making the assumptions(based from the manga) that Minato's Kurama Avatar would be able to move with the same mobility that Naruto's has shown.(which is better than anything Madara's Susanoo has shown) Is it foolish to make this assumption? No. Which is why i won't argue with Narutox28 that Madara's Susanoo doesn't have better mobility than Minato's Kurama Avatar.

 

[NarutoX28]

I don't concede, its just foolish to assume Minato with a Kurama avatar and FTG doesn't have better mobility than Madara's Susanoo, i'm just going to leave it at that.

Why would it?

Madara's Susano'o is ultimately faster as it has superior attack speed than BM Naruto's which is the equivalent of BM Minato's Kurama Avatar and has wings that provides the user's Constructs with amazing mobility:

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Minato has nothing that even enhances his mobility and has inferior attack speed through feats. The only way Minato can even effectively use FTG is if he can get within range of Madara's PS which isn't happening when his PS is much stronger and faster than his Kurama Avatar.

Like i said before Hashi caused the explosion.

The explosion is going in a perfect upward motion, Hashirama punched downward with his SS. Madara fired multiple TBB straight forward towards Hashi. The ensuing explosion shouldn't have gone in a perfect upward motion if the TBB Madara fired exploded right then and there. Simple Logic. Not saying they vanished into thin air, but they didn't explode on impact with Hashi's statue, according to the manga. Ill also leave this at that.

And as I stated before, we've seen explosions that occur in an upward fashion, so the VoTE explosion being direct upward does not imply that the Bijuudamas had no effect on it. Manga has displayed Bijuudamas detonate shortly after making contact with an object, so the Bijuudamas not being shown to have detonated does not imply that they didn't.

 

[enditallsin]

Ok....Just a fair warning this may get kinda long lol...First of all madara ain't going to release PS until he feels like minato is worthy. That's just in his personality. Just like he did against the five kage. And unlike hashirama madara isn't going to start of with PS. With that being said EMS madara has no cloning techniques accept that one time he used izangai, which he won't use unless he's about to die. No feat of using any type of shunshin techniques. No really good reflex feats. And really no technique that's really fast enough to hit minato outside of PS (which was really more destructive than fast) Plus minato sensory abilities will be alert incase of genjutsu. Looking at it....EMS madaras only chance at beating minato is PS. But because of EMS madaras minimum speed and reaction feats he would have already set himself up to easily get marked. Plus realizing that one of EMS madara's specialties is taijutsu puts him at greater risk of being mark, And EMS madara is NOT avoiding or dodging FTG. With that being said even if the battle gets to the point where madara has to use PS, or gets to use it, which it most likely will since he really has no other answer to fighting minato. And since we all know madara would have already been marked given his speed feats wasn't the best. AND since we already know that susanoo users, especially madara can be separated from their susanoo's (gotta bring that up since I know how you uchiha fans are.) Minato has the option of teleporting madara from his susanoo to one of his kunais and finishing him. So im giving S2 to minato until I understand a little bit more about what you mean when you say edo perks. Which one's? Unlimited chakra? Instant Regeneration?

 

[unknownvillain1254]

First of all, how many TBB's do you think BM Minato can even land on Madara's PS?

That's how you know you got somebody beat when they change the subject

 

[unknownvillain1254]

It was becoz of the clash stop making fanfics that it was only due to SS.
If that was the case madara would have been pasted alongside Kyuubi and his PS which did not happen

Minato's firepower pales in comparision to that clash and thats when you spoon feed him BM Naruto's feats.without spoonfeeding its even worse
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] and saying the explosion was minimal when clash literally dwarfs multiple mountains and destroyed arms of SS which are itself gigantic

It doesn't matter because minato can simply teleport ps

 

[unknownvillain1254]

Why would it?

Madara's Susano'o is ultimately faster as it as superior attack speed than BM Naruto's which is the equivalent of BM Minato's Kurama Avatar and has wings that provides the user's Constructs with amazing mobility:

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Minato has nothing that even enhances his mobility and has inferior attack speed through feats. The only way Minato can even effectively use FTG is if he can get within range of Madara's PS which isn't happening when his PS is much stronger and faster than his Kurama Avatar.

Like i said before Hashi caused the explosion.



And as I stated before, we've seen explosions that occur in an upward fashion, so the VoTE explosion being direct upward does not imply that the Bijuudamas had no effect on it. Manga has displayed Bijuudamas detonate shortly after making contact with an object, so the Bijuudamas not being shown to have detonated does not imply that they didn't.

I have never seen wing on madara ps please show a scan

 

[BLAZE]

I'm basing my statements on the manga not the anime. I was giving you the benefit of the doubt when i said in the anime the explosions were very minimal when they clashed with Hashi's statue But, you(or was it the other guy) didn't want benefit of the doubt from the anime so i referred to the manga which shows that they didn't explode on impact with Hashi's statue at all. And i'm not going to refute the manga when its literally black and white(no pun intended) that the TBB's didn't explode upon impact with SS. We make assumptions when the manga doesn't give enough information about something, so we try to use the manga facts to support our claims.

It did explode and thats the reason SS hand;s got detroyed.The AoE was similiar to that of Bijuudama and PS blade and was ulike any of hashirama's jutsu's after effect so yeah it was becoz of Evil Waltz and 1000 god hands
If it was only becoz of SS then madara would have been pasted

For instance, im making the assumptions(based from the manga) that Minato's Kurama Avatar would be able to move with the same mobility that Naruto's has shown.(which is better than anything Madara's Susanoo has shown) Is it foolish to make this assumption? No. Which is why i won't argue with Narutox28 that Madara's Susanoo doesn't have better mobility than Minato's Kurama Avatar.

Naruto's SM had same mobilty as Sasuke's CM Legged susanoo :lol Madara's susanoo is far more gigantic and can fly so i don't no how you reached that conclusion

It doesn't matter because minato can simply teleport ps

Teleport where
PS flies and then comes back to rekt him

I have never seen wing on madara ps please show a scan

Read the databook

 

[unknownvillain1254]

It did explode and thats the reason SS hand;s got detroyed.The AoE was similiar to that of Bijuudama and PS blade and was ulike any of hashirama's jutsu's after effect so yeah it was becoz of Evil Waltz and 1000 god hands
If it was only becoz of SS then madara would have been pasted

Naruto's SM had same mobilty as Sasuke's CM Legged susanoo :lol Madara's susanoo is far more gigantic and can fly so i don't no how you reached that conclusion


Teleport where
PS flies and then comes back to rekt him
Read the databook

No u claim madara PS has and can fly so prove back up your claim this is the debate you back your fact or what you claim with proof

 

[BlacLord™]

He has absolutely no chance at all.

Pretty much this.

It's basically 50% Kurama + FTG vs. 100% Kurama + PS, plus his other abilities.

 

[BLAZE]

No u claim madara PS has and can fly so prove back up your claim this is the debate you back your fact or what you claim with proof

Easy i am not the guy with red rep bar who spews horrible BS all over the forum

Complete( literally full body)Susano'o

Ninjutsu,all ranges,kekke-genkai,offensive,defensive.
Users: Uchiha Madara
Eternity reigns within these pupils,allowing to shape the bravery into clad blue!


The power of the "Mangekyo Sharingan" is able to activate incredible ninjutsu.Enormous chakra clad jutsu materialize, towering over the mountains( exceeding the height of the mountains), taking authority over battlefield to its hands(changing the flow of battle).Appearance of the complete jutsu differs in accordance to the user.Moreover for users that are good at ninjutsu "Susano'o"themselves,becomes possible to enter/trigger the invocation of the complete body(kanseitai).Furthermore Susano'o in next form can wear special armor which can shape/turn on wings that allow it to fly.
Picture: the great complete Susano'o cutting strength that can cut-off mountain peaks,is easily enough to shut down even iron hard resistance (or is enough to make even iron-hard enemies to forfeit the battle).

 

[Raykyryn]

EMS Madara barely can land a single hit on Minato whereas Hiraishin gives the tactical advantage to him so the Fourth kills him unless he has acess to the Kyuubi.

 

[unknownvillain1254]

Easy i am not the guy with red rep bar who spews horrible BS all over the forum

Yet another idiot who can't prove his point thank you again for coming