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[VS] Minato Vs Tobirama

who wins?

  • Minato

    Votes: 39 81.3%

  • Tobirama

    Votes: 5 10.4%

  • tie

    Votes: 4 8.3%
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Intel: Manga
Intent: Kill
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EDIT:
1- Tobirama CANNOT use Minato's seals (if it isn't obvious for some reason Lol)
2- Minato does not have Kurama here (otherwise it's a horrible stomp :))

Tobirama gets 2 fodders for ET.

I know that has been done so many times, but since Minato is still on the battlefield I want to see how many people think he's superior or inferior currently, for some future references, when he gets more feats. :p

my opinion
Minato wins. :)


In Term of Jutsus.

Both of these ninja are relying heavily on their teleporting jutsus, FTG. However, Minato is greater than Tobirama with the teleporting jutsus as Tobirama admitted in two places, [
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Not only that, but Tobirama even praised Minato for being fast at striking as well [
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As for defenses cases, Minato's greatest defensive moves is his S/T barrier which can deal with moves as strong and the TBB [
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About shunshin. Minato still has some of the best feats in the manga; [
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That's in term of their teleportation jutsus (other than the Water Wall) which they rely on heavily. Both of them are sensor type ninje, they can sense the chakra by their fingers or not. Minato can sense with even one finger [
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As for offensive moves, Tobirama also has his Water Severing Wave which was able to cut throw some of the Tree's branches [
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One of Tobirama's most powerful jutses is Edo Tensei. However, he does not really have feats with it, and we have no idea what kind of people that he can summon. However, we know that by Kabuto's statement even Oro's part 1 ET was greater than that of Tobirama's [
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Now, Minato also has a summoning jutsu, but instead of summoning the dead, he summons the frogs. Unlike the Tobirama's case we actually know the frogs and we know their jutsus.

As Tobirama's feats and jutsus stop as far as this. Minato has shown a great mastery over the sealing jutsus that he can do some even with on hand.

Minato also has
Chakra Transfer Technique
Dead Demon Consuming Seal
Four Symbols Seal
Eight Trigrams Sealing Style
Sage Mode

besides his unrevealed jutsu the Spiralling Flash Super Round Dance Howl Participate Formula. That's without going to the other things like their hype and battles ...etc


In Term of Battles.

we either have some scan of their battles, or not even a complete fights. Therefore, I will rely on, both the scans we have about the fight, and the statements that were made for the given fights.

First of all, one of the fights we know about Tobirama is the fact that he fought Kin & Gin. One of the fights he fought with them was a surprised attack against him and the 2nd Raikage with him, as a result of this fight Tobirama got almost killed by them [
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While also we know that Kin & Gin have Kurama's chakra within them, but we know that Kinkaku does not use it unless someone has taken Ginkaku out according to Kakuzu [
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On the other hand, Minato fought against A & B several times, a team which was stated to be superior and the strongest team in Kumo [
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Other battle is almost one scan, which is Tobirama's battle against Izuna [
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Izuna's chakra became low that he couldn't keep his sharingan activated anymore. In top of that we do not even know how powerful Izuna was to begin with. It also worth to mention that the translation that some of Tobirama's fans use to prove Izuna's power is actually wrong, itachi (whom his knowledge in that regard was proven to be wrong) did not say that Izuna was as powerful as madara, but rather they were training together [
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Minato on the other hand fought against Obito who was trained by madara as well. Not only that but he also has Hashi's cells and he was controlling Kurama, whi was attacking the village. In top of that he attacked Minato off gourd, yet he still got his ass handled to him. Even though he has a superior jutsu to both Minato and Tobirama's s/t jutsus.

So, once again Minato fought superior foes to that of Tobirama.

We also know that ET Tobirama with his brother and Oro fought against old Hiruzen. Which he also ended up losing the fight
it is true that he was not at his full power, but so was Hiruzen, and even if we ignored that, it's still one of his battles.

On the other hand Minato was fighting on the 3rd war and pretty much changing the entire result from Konoha losing the war to konoha winning the war, and it was even stated that he ended his battled in a blink of an eye. As we know that in the front line, there were 1000 shinobi as Minato stated [
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In Term of Intelligent.

Both of the Hokages are considered to be intelligent. First, Minato is said to be a genius that appears once in a while [
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In term of analyzing the foe's jutsus, Minato has shown some of the best feats as well. First of all, he analyzed Kakashi's chidori from the first time he saw it [
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In term of jutsus, he created the Rasengan, Rasen-Flash Super-Circle Dance Howl Stage Three, S/T barrier, and improved the FTG to a higher degree than Tobirama. Also, according to the DT3 he was creating the jutsu after the other [
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Tobirama's feats, is he thought of building a lot of constructors for Konoha [
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In Term of Hype.

Tobirama some hype going for him.
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2- Danzo [
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3- Madara [
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So, Tobirama was the fastest during his area, and was the strongest in the village when he was the Hokage.

Minato has a lot of hype as well.

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kakashi [
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In Conclusion, Minato is superior by feats, hype, and portrayed.
 
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Tobirama shits, Orochimaru hype > all the hype you just listed. When Orochimaru hypes someone up, it's official.

Didn't read, probably Minato
 
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Versatility or comparisons aptitude don't determine a victor. Sasuke was far more complete shinobi than Ay, yet Ay almost killed him in the Kage Summit. They are in the same league. Both could win depending on circumstances. I think Minato would win more times than not though due to his superior speed, but there is no clear winner
 
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T Bogard said:
Versatility or comparisons aptitude don't determine a victor. Sasuke was far more complete shinobi than Ay, yet Ay almost killed him in the Kage Summit. They are in the same league. Both could win depending on circumstances. I think Minato would win more times than not though due to his superior speed, but there is no clear winner
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I thought it was just his FTG that was better, due to it being able to move more people at once.
 
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T Bogard said:
Versatility or comparisons aptitude don't determine a victor. Sasuke was far more complete shinobi than Ay, yet Ay almost killed him in the Kage Summit. They are in the same league. Both could win depending on circumstances. I think Minato would win more times than not though due to his superior speed, but there is no clear winner
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Although I agree with you, but Sasuke on that fight was using his Susanoo for the first time, and he did not even use the first stage. Not to mention Sasuke's abilities and fighting style are completely different from A's. However, in this case Minato's and Tobirama's abilities are very similar to each other.
 
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Minato stomps... Tobirama is so overrated... Tobirama has puny Suiton feats also if his edo's don't start on the battlefield they won't be able to get on the battlefield.... Also there are no restriction Minato Obliterates this guy...
 
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Ababeel said:
Although I agree with you, but Sasuke on that fight was using his Susanoo for the first time, and he did not even use the first stage. Not to mention Sasuke's abilities and fighting style are completely different from A's. However, in this case Minato's and Tobirama's abilities are very similar to each other.
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I know they have similar abilities and it's exactly why i think that. Anyway nice characters comparison. I even forgot some :p You can make a thread about it. Though i think you missed Naruto's chakra sharing ability which according to Kyubi was part of Minato's plan:
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The prepped FTG kunai give minato the territorial advantage which is what makes Minatos FTG so much better in my opinion. Tobirama can't react to every kunai minato will appear at. And if sage mode is used and they enrage in CQC, then minato easily wins.
 
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Touken said:
2 ET summons? Tobirama destroys.
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Destroying? Let's not overrate fodder summons here when talking about a guy who soloed a war full of elite level ninjas. Before you talk about GK, the preps of the technique is too slow to hit an instant teleporter who went in, took and went out a 8gated Gai, so it would barely play a role. Talking about summons, Minato possess Kage Level summons himself

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Tobirama has access to Minato's FTG link. He utterly, utterly rapes.
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He obviously doesn't. If it was the case, he would not have needed Minato to port him to his markings [
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T Bogard said:
Destroying? Let's not overrate fodder summons here when talking about a guy who soloed a war full of elite level ninjas. Before you talk about GK, the preps of the technique is too slow to hit an instant teleporter who went in, took and went out a 8gated Gai, so it would barely play a role. Talking about summons, Minato possess Kage Level summons himself

He obviously doesn't. If it was the case, he would not have needed Minato to port him to his markings [
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Hmm. That's why Tobirama blatantly told Minato to give him access to his seals?

Tobirama would blitz Minato to the sound of the meanest dubstep ever.
 
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Hmm. That's why Tobirama blatantly told Minato to give him access to his seals?

Tobirama would blitz Minato to the sound of the meanest dubstep ever.
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What do you mean? If you're talking about the sequence where Tobirama saved the fodders, he used the link between Minato, Naruto, the fodder and his seals. He couldn't have teleported them there without Minato
 
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