Minato VS Suigetsu

[Curse Mark]

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You're being ridiculous. Being fused with Jiraya does in no way suddenly grant her a nature type. Gamabunta can use Water, why would she not be able to use a Fire technique when she has been seen using one ?

Doesn't matter, since she can use Fire without him.

It's possible she doesn't have the chakra on her own and when she's fused she gains more chakra.
It's a **** move to pull but unless we see her use it on her own it really can't be used in versus threads.
This is like the temari argument that was in the versus thread. Temari used casting net or whatever in collaboration with other fan users. But she went on to use great casting net on her own. But because she never used casting net on her own there's no proof she can.

DB scan above staes that a contract with Gamabunta is a contract with every toad.


Ma is a Sage and can use her own jutsu, why would she need to be connected to an SM user to use a jutsu that isn't a combo jutsu.

We can't just assume she can though.

 

[Curse Mark]

XD to summon toads you need to sign a summoning contract with toads otherwise you cant summon them in the first place, genius
all that the frog sages do while standing on jiraiya's shoulders is gather nature energy for him, they do not gain affinty for an element which they didnt have before.
herp de derp no need of sage mode

You people seem to think i'm saying she takes his affinity, which I'm not.

 

[KidGamer65]

It's possible she doesn't have the chakra on her own and when she's fused she gains more chakra.
It's a **** move to pull but unless we see her use it on her own it really can't be used in versus threads.
This is like the temari argument that was in the versus thread. Temari used casting net or whatever in collaboration with other fan users. But she went on to use great casting net on her own. But because she never used casting net on her own there's no proof she can.



We can't just assume she can though.

Dont need to, we've already seen it. There's no reason she'd need to be fused with someone to do that when nothing like that was ever implied.

 

[Edo Odin]

It's possible she doesn't have the chakra on her own and when she's fused she gains more chakra.
It's a **** move to pull but unless we see her use it on her own it really can't be used in versus threads.
This is like the temari argument that was in the versus thread. Temari used casting net or whatever in collaboration with other fan users. But she went on to use great casting net on her own. But because she never used casting net on her own there's no proof she can.

Those are two different things. Temari may or may not have used the Wind jutsu in collaboration with the other's, but Ma using the Fire-Jutsu while connected with Jiraiya does in no way mean that she can't so it without him, there's simply nothing to support that statement. It has never even been hinted that Sage Mode grants the Toads any moves, on the contrary, it's their chakra that assist Jiraiya's moves.

 

[Curse Mark]

It's possible she doesn't have the chakra on her own and when she's fused she gains more chakra.
It's a **** move to pull but unless we see her use it on her own it really can't be used in versus threads.
This is like the temari argument that was in the versus thread. Temari used casting net or whatever in collaboration with other fan users. But she went on to use great casting net on her own. But because she never used casting net on her own there's no proof she can.

We can't just assume she can though.

**** the post limit

 

[Curse Mark]

Sage art: Goemon is listed as a collaboration jutsu. Clearly this is because there's 3 people adding to it, but if Ma was able to use any fire jutsu on her own, wouldn't that fire jutsu be listed under her jutsu..?
I can't think of a single other character who can use a jutsu that doesn't have it listed under their jutsu.


Correction, when I searched for Shima, it led me to a page that was a collaborative page for both of the toads. If you do more research, there is a page for just her where it is listed under her jutsu.

I'm able to admit I knew she could use it from the beginning, I just wanted to try and prove it false because i thought it was possible too.

Suigetsu still wins, however.

 

[Edo Odin]

**** the post limit

There has never been anything which points to that being the case. Believe what you will though...

 

[Curse Mark]

Sage art: Goemon is listed as a collaboration jutsu. Clearly this is because there's 3 people adding to it, but if Ma was able to use any fire jutsu on her own, wouldn't that fire jutsu be listed under her jutsu..?
I can't think of a single other character who can use a jutsu that doesn't have it listed under their jutsu.


Correction, when I searched for Shima, it led me to a page that was a collaborative page for both of the toads. If you do more research, there is a page for just her where it is listed under her jutsu.

I'm able to admit I knew she could use it from the beginning, I just wanted to try and prove it false because i thought it was possible too.

Suigetsu still wins, however.

Read the edit/correction

 

[Bogard]

Minato summons Gamakichi, puts a marking on him, then Gamakichi de-summons himself and go back to toad mountain training. Minato FTG there, put a kunai or marking near the toad oil fountain. He comes back to warp Suigetsu there who turns into frog statue

 

[Curse Mark]

Minato summons Gamakichi, puts a marking on him, then Gamakichi de-summons himself and go back to toad mountain training. Minato FTG there, put a kunai or marking near the toad oil fountain. He comes back to warp Suigetsu there who turns into frog statue

You can't just leave a battle or you surrender and Suigetsu wins by default.

read the thread...

 

[Bogard]

read the thread...

BS. OP never mentioned it

Location: In the middle of an ocean.
Restrictions: RDS
Knowledge: Manga
Starting Distance: 20 m

I say Suigetsu stomps since he can fuse with the ocean and then nothing Minato can do will be effective. Minato will end up getting drowned and his kunais will just sink in the ocean.

Creating your own rules?

 

[KidGamer65]

BS. OP never mentioned it

Creating your own rules?

That's common in all VS threads.

 

[Curse Mark]

BS. OP never mentioned it

Creating your own rules?

It's common sense that if you run away you surrender. This is true in every altercation from kindergarten playground fights to fighting in highschool and in wars and and type of battle ever... It's called a retreat when you run away..

 

[Curse Mark]

That's common in all VS threads.

I'd rep again but yeah. You know.
Thanks.

 

[Bogard]

That's common in all VS threads.

Is Minato allowed to warp the opponent away instead? If he is allowed then i change the scenario with this: Minato summons Gamakichi, gives him his Hiraishin Kunai and tells him after de-summoning himself to go back to the toad oil fountain and throw it in it. It will signal Minato who will proceed to warp Suigetsu there then?

 

[Curse Mark]

Is Minato allowed to warp the opponent away instead? If he is allowed then i change the scenario with this: Minato summons Gamakichi, gives him his Hiraishin Kunai and tells him after de-summoning himself to go back to the toad oil fountain and throw it in it. It will signal Minato who will proceed to warp Suigetsu there then?

.... uhhh.. that's certainly a stretch. a large one, too.
But no. can't leave the battlefield.

 

[~Uzumaki~]

Minato wins. Gonna have to seal Suigetsu, unless he has a Raiton element.

 

[Curse Mark]

which he doesn't have. What seal would he use, too?

 

[Icelerate]

Minato summons Gamakichi, puts a marking on him, then Gamakichi de-summons himself and go back to toad mountain training. Minato FTG there, put a kunai or marking near the toad oil fountain. He comes back to warp Suigetsu there who turns into frog statue

How will Minato put a marking on water?

minato can summon all the toads as said by the databook
suigetsu is not an entire ocean or do you expect suigetsu to control an entire ocean, i wonder why doton users dont just pwn everyone, i mean an entire earth>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>everyone

Well I think Suigetsu must have a limit but that combination attack can be avoided if Suigetsu goes underwater. He would then proceed to drown Gamabunta who doesn't have good enough chakra control to stand on top of water. As for your comment on doton users, there is a reason why Gaara in the middle of a desert and Hashirama are OP. Too bad doton users can't control every single area on the land.

You also fail to realize that water has a high heat capacity so it is unrealistic to assume that fire can simply vaporize water while Suigetsu has access to a plethora amount of water. Not to mention that water has a high boiling point. As a matter of fact, water has a much higher heat capacity compared to metal and I doubt that katon can melt metal. Of course if you say it can, the people backing Minato in the 3 tomoe Madara VS Minato thread would lose their major point considering Madara's katons are far hotter than the combination one.

 

[Reiki]

minato wins , mid difficulty.