Minato Vs Orochimaru

[Draegod]

No, with superior summons, superior speed and superior firepower.

Manda>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Gamabunta!

Oru>>.Minato! WHAt kind of shit is this??????

 

[pateuvasiliu]

Manda>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Gamabunta!

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Manda is stronger than Bunta, but he isn't taking on two boss toads.

Just because he can summon them doesn't mean they will fight for him. Minato hasn't shown summonning Ma yet so it's not an argument.

Rofl.

Kishi confirmed a Toad Contract means you can summon -ANY- toad. Naruto and Minato have the same contract with the toads. Ma could summon Naruto, thus showing they are linked. As such Minato can summon Ma, unless you have proof Naruto and Ma have a special contract which Minato does not.

They would not fight for him? Are you fu cking kidding me? They knew Minato. They know Minato is Jiraiya's apprentice. They know Naruto is his kid. They know Jiraiya thinks he is the Child of Prophecy.

And you're telling me they won't fight for him? Slap yourself with an uchigatana for that.

Once (well, if ever) he gets tagged he simply sheds skin.

The FTG mark never disappears and Oral Rebirth has no feats of being able to remove it. This is also supported by the fact that Oral Rebirth did not give Orochimaru his hands back, even though if it could bypass jutsus, it would.

2) from a small part of his chakra and consciousness only!

Sasuke isn't here for that.

Moreover, even a smallest scratch and Minato is done. He has no poison immunity or anything like that.
And saying his Ftg makes him invulnerable is true BUT only if he keeps on blinking around. Any other action - either offensive or defensive requires slowing down and actually doing something.

As if Orochimaru is some sort of speedster or something.

Minato threw a kunai, FTG'd twice and was ready to kill Ay before Ay could even finish his shunshin, and you're telling me Orochimaru has the speed to fight him in melee?

Laughable.


Not to mention Frog Song, which would still be a KO against Orochimaru.

 

[Draegod]

Nah, he only needs to summon Ma.

Ma summons everyone else in one jutsu.

LMAo No! You must be a sage and have a particular Blood contract to summon the 2 sages:

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Straight from the databook! And as far as we know, minato doesnt have sage mode nor does he have the chakra to summon one of the sages that takes forever to summon BTW! (No non sage ninja was ever shown to summon them easily, thats how much chakra and concentration it takes!)

 

[pateuvasiliu]

Manga > Databook, in that aspect.

Ma was able to reverse summon Naruto and they have no special contract.

The counterpart of the Summoning Technique, this technique allows an animal to summon humans that they have a contract with.

 

[Draegod]

Manga > Databook, in that aspect.

Ma was able to reverse summon Naruto and they have no special contract.

Ma is a sage, and we do not know the limits of said sages (even the snake sage as well). How about this; I will give you that minato can summon ma AND pa but it would take the same amount of time it took Jman to summon them and a shit load of chakra and concentration. Jman and minato could summon any basic toad like bunta about the same, but when it comes to the sages, it will never be instant and that's manga fact unless you can show a scan of them being summoned instantly...

And you can't say databook>manga the manga>databook the next. -___-

 

[pateuvasiliu]

Jiraiya didn't need that amount of time to summon them. He needed it to enter Sage Mode, which is why he had to be stationary. Why would he summon them with his base chakra? Pain wasn't that much of a threat in that very moment, all he did was send giant dogs at him. Jiraiya had the time and no reason to hurry up.

unless you can show a scan of them being summoned instantly...

Jiraiya summoned them instantly.

 

[Nattana]

LMAo No! You must be a sage and have a particular Blood contract to summon the 2 sages:

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Straight from the databook! And as far as we know, minato doesnt have sage mode nor does he have the chakra to summon one of the sages that takes forever to summon BTW! (No non sage ninja was ever shown to summon them easily, thats how much chakra and concentration it takes!)

Thank you for that scan

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Manda is stronger than Bunta, but he isn't taking on two boss toads.



Rofl.

Kishi confirmed a Toad Contract means you can summon -ANY- toad. Naruto and Minato have the same contract with the toads. Ma could summon Naruto, thus showing they are linked. As such Minato can summon Ma, unless you have proof Naruto and Ma have a special contract which Minato does not.

They would not fight for him? Are you fu cking kidding me? They knew Minato. They know Minato is Jiraiya's apprentice. They know Naruto is his kid. They know Jiraiya thinks he is the Child of Prophecy.

And you're telling me they won't fight for him? Slap yourself with an uchigatana for that.

Maybe they would. Maybe they wouldn't. Well, most likely they would, but anyway, Draegod's scan proves that he cannot summon Ma at all.

The FTG mark never disappears and Oral Rebirth has no feats of being able to remove it. This is also supported by the fact that Oral Rebirth did not give Orochimaru his hands back, even though if it could bypass jutsus, it would.

You mean he couldn't regain his SOUL by using Oral Rebirth? Ofc he couldn't. But he managed to regain his hand back from having it cut off by Itachi. That hand still exists in his laboratory, yet he possesses another one.
But removing soul =/= FTG mark. It's just a mark. Or maybe you want to say that destroying a marked kunai still allows Minato to teleport to it?

Sasuke isn't here for that.

They only reason Sasuke was needed there was because Oro's chakra and consciousness were sealed in a Cursed Seal.

As if Orochimaru is some sort of speedster or something.

Minato threw a kunai, FTG'd twice and was ready to kill Ay before Ay could even finish his shunshin, and you're telling me Orochimaru has the speed to fight him in melee?

Laughable.

Orochimaru has 4.5 speed in databook. With Slithering Snake Mode he's much faster. Moreover, he's shown many speed feats, even in bodies that were rejecting him.
And the difference between A and Oro is that, that A cannot survive a kunai slicing his throat - Oro can. Moreover, Orochimaru can summon a Hidden Snake from any part of his body - so staying in close combat, which is a must for Minato to even do anything makes him vulnerable to every sneak attack Oro has in his arsenal.

Not to mention Frog Song, which would still be a KO against Orochimaru.

Already countered by Draegod, not happening.

 

[pateuvasiliu]

Draegod's scan proves that he cannot summon Ma at all.

Except it's contradicted by the manga.

But removing soul =/= FTG mark. It's just a mark. Or maybe you want to say that destroying a marked kunai still allows Minato to teleport to it?

Irrelevant. It's the marked paper on the kunai that makes FTG possible. But yes, if you obliterate it- then sure.

Furthermore, Oral Rebirth won't remove FTG because it's not a wound. It does not change the body.

After emerging, the user's clothing and injuries are completely restored

Orochimaru has 4.5 speed in databook. With Slithering Snake Mode he's much faster. Moreover, he's shown many speed feats, even in bodies that were rejecting him.

If you want to talk numbers, Ay should have a 45. Oro's speed to Ay's is like comparing Hinata's strength to SM Naruto's.

And the difference between A and Oro is that, that A cannot survive a kunai slicing his throat - Oro can.

It's enough for Minato to tag him once. After that, Oro will be unable to respond.

to every sneak attack Oro has in his arsenal.

Nothing which matches FTG in speed, i.e. nonfactor.

 

[Nattana]

Except it's contradicted by the manga.



Irrelevant. It's the marked paper on the kunai that makes FTG possible. But yes, if you obliterate it- then sure.

Furthermore, Oral Rebirth won't remove FTG because it's not a wound. It does not change the body.





If you want to talk numbers, Ay should have a 45. Oro's speed to Ay's is like comparing Hinata's strength to SM Naruto's.



It's enough for Minato to tag him once. After that, Oro will be unable to respond.



Nothing which matches FTG in speed, i.e. nonfactor.

Lol, seriously bringing up a 'clothing argument'? If yes, then in every manga, characters should be naked 90% of time. Scratches, flames, lightnings and stuff - clothes have been guarded with Plot no jutsu since forever.

Oral Rebirth creates a whole new body. It's confirmed by manga - Orochimaru created a new hand with it - the old one still exists in his laboratory and that's where the FTG mark would be - on his old, shed body.

Orochimaru was able to move in a rejecting body faster than even a partial swing of a kunai. Here's the proof.

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[pateuvasiliu]

So was Minato and I assure you Obito swings a kunai faster than Sasori's weakest puppet does.

Oral Rebirth creates a whole new body. It's confirmed by manga - Orochimaru created a new hand with it - the old one still exists in his laboratory and that's where the FTG mark would be - on his old, shed body.

The databook clearly explains it heals injuries.

Orochimaru has a tattoo on his hand with which Kabuto summons snakes and unless he reapplied it, it's still there. Why? Because it's not an injury.

Same goes with FTG.

 

[Nattana]

So was Minato and I assure you Obito swings a kunai faster than Sasori's weakest puppet does.

It was Yamato lol. And it doesn't matter that much. Swing speed doesn't differ THAT much among characters, yet Orochimaru clearly managed to cover 30+ meters in time Yamato moved his hand by like 10cm.

The databook clearly explains it heals injuries.
Orochimaru has a tattoo on his hand with which Kabuto summons snakes and unless he reapplied it, it's still there. Why? Because it's not an injury.

Same goes with FTG.

It heals injuries and creates a new body. You cannot deny what's been clearly shown in manga.
And about his tatoo - it's very probable that he had to paint it every time he shed his skin. The only reason he needed that tatoo was because he didn't have access to his jutsu - so it was just a remporary method to maintain the ability of summonning.
While having his arms, he never used that tatoo to use summonning jutsu.

 

[Fodder#4]

Minato, mid to high diff. Sadly Orochimaru can't kill him or land any remarkable blows in the short periods of time he has.

Whereas it will take a good deal of effort for Minato to finally put down Orochimaru

 

[pateuvasiliu]

It was Yamato lol.

Well that explains it. Yamato is nothing.

It heals injuries and creates a new body. You cannot deny what's been clearly shown in manga.

I'm not. I'm simply saying that Oral Rebirth won't take the tag away. Even if it did, Minato can just shunshin to it and tag him again.

it's very probable that he had to paint it every time he shed his skin.

There's no proof of that, though.

You also forget Minato can Seal Orochimaru, which is a one shot.

 

[stoikis]

Minato, quite easily.

lol fanboy.
Minato (alive) won't kill orochimaru wiht a simple kunai or baby rasengan.
Orochimaru with a a body which was about to reject him survived being cut in two and smiled.(And that was before he got zetsu body)
Also oro clearly say's that when hiruzen choose minato as his successor there were many people who thought that was a mistake.(and at that time he didn't have all his snake jutsus)
The only way minato to win is to use Death reaper seal (don't remember the name).
Summons are useles for minato snakes>toad------ manda>bunta.
Also to summon ma and pa minato have to be a sage which he isn't

 

[KillerMongoose]

Orochimaru mid difficulty at most. The only thing that Minato has that is superior to Orochimaru is speed. Orochimaru is smarter, more versatile, has better summons, better jutsu, and is practically indestructible.

Oh, and Hydra technique gg Minato.

Honesty alive Minato does not even crack my top ten.

 

[Nattana]

Well that explains it. Yamato is nothing.

Well, every shinobi is trained in, for example making hand seals and that must be fast. I don't think that there is much of a difference between even a chuunin and a kage (do not misunderstand it - kage are, well, should be faster in that field, but it's not 10x faster but maybe 1.5, 2x), let alone Anbu level ninja that Yamato is, in terms of hand speed.
You cannot deny that Oro's speed feat. It is impressive, no matter whether you are Oro fan or not.

You also forget Minato can Seal Orochimaru, which is a one shot.

He cannot seal Orochimaru, lol. He doesn't have any container to do that.
Totsuka seals its target in a jar. Death Reaper seals its target in Death God's belly. Tenten seals her weapons in scrolls she prepares earlier.
Where will Minato seal Orochimaru? Sorry, but it's not happening.
And again, you're neglecting Oro's knowledge and proficiency in Fuinjutsu. Actually, I believe he's shown the same amout of Fuinjutsu as Minato and not some shit, but really powerful ones.

 

[blazekev90]

He cannot seal Orochimaru, lol. He doesn't have any container to do that.

The sealing formula is used to seal any target into a human body or an object, and is mainly used when a giant enemy or evil spirit needs to be sealed away.

If he has to, he can seal Oro within himself. It's still a win. Or a toad, if needed. But mainly himself.

Well, every shinobi is trained in, for example making hand seals and that must be fast. I don't think that there is much of a difference between even a chuunin and a kage (do not misunderstand it - kage are, well, should be faster in that field, but it's not 10x faster but maybe 1.5, 2x), let alone Anbu level ninja that Yamato is, in terms of hand speed.
You cannot deny that Oro's speed feat. It is impressive, no matter whether you are Oro fan or not.

It's a shunshin. It has nothing to do with his regular speed. Minato's shunshin is well above that.

And again, you're neglecting Oro's knowledge and proficiency in Fuinjutsu. Actually, I believe he's shown the same amout of Fuinjutsu as Minato and not some shit, but really powerful ones.

Minato sealed half the Kyuubi with a giant claw through his chest, so no. Not even close.

Furthermore, knowledge and proficiency in a field doesn't mean you can counter it. Look at how easy Itachi solo'd Orochimaru with basic Sharingan genjutsu.

Tell me how Oro survives decapitation, again?

Decap from what? Rasengan? The same one young Tobi was hit with, while he was still adjusting to having Zetsu body. Just a year before that same arm that was damaged, fell off the moment Obito punched a wall. Child pls, rasengan, that attack isn't causing much damage.

Minato is predictable, as shown against fight against Bee. Wind release counters kunia and Orochi can merge w/ the eenvironment. Minato's is OP, but Oro himself is fast, despite having 4.5 speeed, he too is capable of body flicker tetechnique (i forgot proper term). Not mention the aadvances slithering mode grants him.

hahahaha Lol
so many Oro fapboys and Minato fapboys Lol
funny how there's a certain person who would beat both (Minato would take it to high diff though)

This thread is about relevant characters who currently have some meaning to the plot, leave Itachi's sick ass outta this pls =D

 

[Nattana]

If he has to, he can seal Oro within himself. It's still a win. Or a toad, if needed. But mainly himself.



It's a shunshin. It has nothing to do with his regular speed. Minato's shunshin is well above that.



Minato sealed half the Kyuubi with a giant claw through his chest, so no. Not even close.

Furthermore, knowledge and proficiency in a field doesn't mean you can counter it. Look at how easy Itachi solo'd Orochimaru with basic Sharingan genjutsu.

I'm not denying Minato's skill in Fuinjutsu, but I believe that Orochimaru is at his level in that area.
Moreover, Totsuka didn't manage to seal Orochimaru completely and you think Minato's seals will? (No DRS)
+Sealing Oro inside himself means he's getting taken over at the very first occasion he goes low on chakra - Minato isn't doing that, he's not that stupid.

And Itachi didn't solo Orochimaru with Genjutsu lol. Oro was getting out of it, he was simply too careless and got too close to Itachi - trying to steal his body, not to kill him.

And about Shunshin. Orochimaru has his own variant of it.

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Considering that it was a show off in front of Naruto, in normal battle situation Oro could use it to move much faster, since I've already pointed out his best and really impressive speed feat and adding a Shunshin-like ability + Slithering Snake Mode makes him a remarkable opponent in terms of speed.
I agree that Minato may be a little bit faster, but there's no way he's blitzing him or anything like that.

 

[stoikis]

2 = Calling Oodama Rasengan '' baby rasengan '' makes you look retarded, not to mention decapitation will still kill him. Furthermore, there's sealing and Oro isn't tanking endless decapitation.

3 = And Hiruzen implied Minato would've been able to stop Oro, not to mention Oro would be fodderised by Obito.

4 = Shoot yourself. Manda is the only snake that isn't a fodder.

5 = False. A toad contract user can summon any toad.

2 Odama rasengan would still inflick little damage to oro.IF IF IF minato manage to do that.



3 Hiruzen doesn't know how strong was orochimaru AFTER he left konoha.

4 Are you stupid. SNAKE>TOAD
Manda> all other fodder toads.
Also summon jutsu takes much chakra so if you think minato would be able to summond more than 2 toads and still constantly using ftg and rasengan is stupid.Unlike oro he doesn't have senju dna.

5 what i meant was that he cannot fuse with ma and pa
So what if he summond them? what difference would that make?As we know oro was jiraiya partner so he clearly knows about them and their jutsus.

 

[pateuvasiliu]

I'm not denying Minato's skill in Fuinjutsu, but I believe that Orochimaru is at his level in that area.

When Oro seals Bijuus, he will be.

Bee said Naruto's seal is way superior to his own, made by Kumo's finest. What did Oro do? Make the senjutsu seals and suppress Naruto's Kyuubi for a while? That isn't much. Minato sealed the whole of Kurama within minutes, the latter half with a giant claw inside him, not to mention put his and Kushina's chakra inside Naruto to the point where he could reform Naruto's seal and Kushina could help him fight the Kyuubi.

Minato's fuuinjutsu is unmatched.

Moreover, Totsuka didn't manage to seal Orochimaru completely

Who cares? If Oro is sealed, it doesn't matter that Sasuke can free him. He still loses.

+Sealing Oro inside himself means he's getting taken over at the very first occasion he goes low on chakra - Minato isn't doing that, he's not that stupid.

He can seal him inside and take him out in a secure location.

And about Shunshin. Orochimaru has his own variant of it.


Considering that it was a show off in front of Naruto, in normal battle situation Oro could use it to move much faster

That Shunshin is featless. It can make them disappear. Cool.

but there's no way he's blitzing him or anything like that.

Minato blitzed Obito. Oro really isn't anything special in the speed department.

Him reacting to Yamato's speed is the same as Sasuke blitzing Team 7 early in Part 2. Meaningless, by now.

4 Are you stupid. SNAKE>TOAD

lol, said who?

Manda> all other fodder toads.

kill yourself. Bunta and Kichi are enough to deal with Manda.

5 what i meant was that he cannot fuse with ma and pa

Why would he need to?

As we know oro was jiraiya partner so he clearly knows about them and their jutsus.

That's pure bullshi t, but he has full intel anyway.

Frog Song still ends it.