minato vs Hebi Sasuke & Sound 5

[genii96]

Kimi could solo this tbh,add sasuke and the 2 win obviously,add the soun 4 and it is not a fight

 

[Strict]

What are you even talking about?

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The blade (Which is enhanced by chakra) is cutting through the bone in the 3rd panel. In the last panel we see the bone and the chakra enhanced blade clashing, which completely shits on your belief that the bone pierced through the sword.

The flat edge of the blade didn't cut through anything, what are you even looking at cause it clearly isn't the scan I just posted. The blade is what hit the bone, why do I even need to explain this when I posted the scan with the important parts being circled?.....smh.

You're telling me that the samurai used the flat part of his blade to clash with an enemy? :|

The with Chakra enhanced blade cut half through this one bone. You would agree that cutting damage is =/= blunt penetrative power; as you were also the one who compared the cutting power of the Kyuubichakra-phoenix which cut through the Juubi's tails, while Juubi's Beam didn't manage to destroy Naruto's Kyuubi avatar.

We learned, that Chakra enhanced blades are cutting easily through human bodies, leaving Hidan without his head. Yet, a Chakra enhanced blade cut barely through half of Kimimaro's one bone.

Let's make it simple. Gaara's Sabaku Soso completely crushes a humans body:

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Kimimaro did not only survive this, but in his second Juin form, he survived a far grater version of this without any damage. And you think that Rasengan will leave any significant damage? Indubitably not.

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As you see, Gaara's Sabaku Soso did indeed leave some damage on Kimimaro and let him loose quite a lot of blood, probably breaking the one or other bone. His skin was also ripped. Yet, he was fully regenerated after this. So I can't see the success you see with the Rasengan.


And as for your point with escaping Sawarabi no Mai: The Kunai which Minato set around the Juubi, he did before showing his presence, knowing what he and the other Hokage will start to do after entering the battlefield - restraining the Juubi. Well, we don't know what intel each of them does have as it wasn't mentioned in the OP, so logically, we consider Manga knowledge. How does Minato start a battle if he considers to make use of his Hiraishin effectively? He spreads his Kunai in the near surroundings [

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The next point would be that, even if he avoids Sawarabi no Mai somehow, they will be in the same scenario they were before. With Minato who can't damage Kimimaro, but also Kimimaro, who can't hit Minato. Lately, Minato would be the victor if we consider Kimimaro's disease.

 

[shelke]

Hebi Sasuke does defeat Minato. Anyone other than pateuvasiliu is welcome to debate me.

You do realise the kunais can simply be ported back to Minato and then thrown again?

Furthermore, if anything, Minato would take out the Sound people before Sasuke.

Sasuke can't even hit him.

His only dangerous tool is Kirin.

Also Minato already outsped Sasuke and the Hokages when they were going to the battlefield.

Sasuke is the best Shuriken-Jutsu user. Knocking back a few Kunais is nothing for him. Can't hit him? Unlike your fanfiction, I proved to you how fast Sasuke is. The best foot speed feat from Minato is laughable compared to Sasuke's. None of those scans are made up, but actual manga feats.

If you have anything decent to post other than these same re-used and tried-old comments then do so, otherwise, don't.

 

[TrollingSage]

Hebi Sasuke does defeat Minato. Anyone other than pateuvasiliu is welcome to debate me.



Sasuke is the best Shuriken-Jutsu user. Knocking back a few Kunais is nothing for him. Can't hit him? Unlike your fanfiction, I proved to you how fast Sasuke is. The best foot speed feat from Minato is laughable compared to Sasuke's. None of those scans are made up, but actual manga feats.

If you have anything decent to post other than these same re-used and tried-old comments then do so, otherwise, don't.

Incase you havent been reading the manga properly, Minato's kunais are heavier than normal kunais. Meaning Sasuke's shurikens and kunais will be knocked back when they collide with Minato's.

 

[Bogard]

Knowledge? If it's manga, then team2 has no knowledge on Hiraishin, so they will be killed by FTG without even realising what happened. Even with knowledge and after Minato explaining how Hiraishin works thousand times, Sasuke was looking like an idiot

 

[shelke]

^ How heavy? Heavier than Fuma Shurikens? If you haven't read the whole post, I suggest you do so. This was completely pointless. And your jab at my manga knowledge is even more hilarious, considering your own history.

 

[Strict]

Knowledge? If it's manga, then team2 has no knowledge on Hiraishin, so they will be killed by FTG without even realising what happened. Even with knowledge and after Minato explaining how Hiraishin works thousand times, Sasuke was looking like an idiot

Probably. I still don't see Minato killing Kimimaro, but his disease will do this for him.

 

[Shura]

Probably. I still don't see Minato killing Kimimaro, but his disease will do this for him.

I could say the same thing about Sasuke considering that he in his CM2 was capable of tanking Deidara's C2 mine.

 

[Bogard]

Probably. I still don't see Minato killing Kimimaro, but his disease will do this for him.

Pretty sure that this level of DC will rip Kimimaro apart.

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His bones have shown to be destructible by simple chakra blades [

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[Transcendence]

Minato wins. Not much to debate about. None of them have the reaction times to intercept FTG, and they're pretty much fodder bar Hebi Sasuke, who isn't anywhere near Minato.

 

[SasoriOfTheRedSaand]

I could say the same thing about Sasuke considering that he in his CM2 was capable of tanking Deidara's C2 mine.

Hmm, didn't he dodge it by flying upwards? [

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[Shura]

Hmm, didn't he dodge it by flying upwards? [

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Good point, but he still tanked that big C2 dragon bomb. [

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[Strict]

Pretty sure that this level of DC will rip Kimimaro apart.

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His bones have shown to be destructible by simple chakra blades [

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Yet Obito kept standing with a body which has no known durability. I could also say that Kakashi pierced a huge hole into Obito's body with a with Raiton-Chakra enhanced Kunai while Minato's Rasengan did nothing. The Samurai's with Chakra enhanced blade barely cut half through one of Kimimaro's bones, when with Chakra enhanced weapons are known to slice human bodies or behead them. Kimimaro possesses a high level regeneration without the cost of Chakra, as it is included to his Kekkei Genkai to render body damage automatically useless after he tore apart his skin and flesh to take out bones. He also regenerated after Gaara's Sabaku Soso. Apart from his regeneration, he can produce an infinite amount of bones which are as hard as steel. So no matter what Minato will do, even if Minato's Rasengan manages do damage Kimimaro's impenetrable and indestructible skeletal frame [

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], Kimimaro will simply regenerate his bones and the rest of his body. In his Juin 2, he even survived Sabaku Taiso, when in fact, its weaker version Sabaku Soso deals already a lot of more damage than a Rasengan. No way in hell a Rasengan will finish Kimimaro.

A with Chakra enhanced blade cut half through one bone of Kimimaro?
A with Chakra enhanced Kunai drilled through Obito's body.. yet he kept standing after Minato's Rasengan.

And no, Raiton Chakra is not multiple times stronger than other Chakra (natures) with them weapons are enhanced.

 

[Bogard]

Yet Obito kept standing with a body which has no known durability. I could also say that Kakashi pierced a huge hole into Obito's body with a with Raiton-Chakra enhanced Kunai while Minato's Kunai did nothing. The Samurai's with Chakra enhanced blade barely cut half through one of Kimimaro's bones, when with Chakra enhanced weapons are known to slice human bodies or behead them. Kimimaro possesses a high level regeneration without the cost of Chakra, as it included to his Kekkei Genkai to render body damage automatically useless after he tore apart his skin and flesh to take out bones. He also regenerated after Gaara's Sabaku Soso. Apart from his regeneration, he can produce an infinite amount of bones which are as hard as steel. So no matter what Minato will do, even if Minato's Rasengan manages do damage Kimimaro's impenetrable and indestructible skeletal frame [

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], Kimimaro will simply regenerate his bones and the rest of his body. In his Juin 2, he even survived Sabaku Taiso, when in fact, its weaker version Sabaku Soso deals already a lot of more damage. No way in hell a Rasengan will finish Kimimaro.

A with Chakra enhanced blade cut half through one bone of Kimimaro?
A with Chakra enhanced Kunai drilled through Obito's body.. yet he kept standing after Minato's Rasengan.

And no, Raiton Chakra is not multiple times stronger than other Chakra (natures) with them weapons are enhanced.

Where is it said the chakra enhanced blade behead people? And even if it was said, do you really think it's a feat when we've seen normal kunais cut people in half in this manga? The chakra enhanced blade of Samurai have no nature type in it like lightning or wind both nature type that have been hyped in terms of piercing power, so those chakra enhanced blade are fodder level in terms of piercing power compared to lightning enhanced blade or wind enhanced blade, yet it was capable to break Kimimaro's bones slightly

Let's compare will you?

Multiple Chakra enhanced blade vs lightning enhanced blade [

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] Chakra enhanced getting fodderised

Lightning enhanced blade vs lightning armour [

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] Lightning enhanced blade gets fodderised

Minato vs lightning armour A almost getting killed [

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You know where i'm getting at with this?

Now talking about Obito's "survival"?

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Do you see the level of damage? And after that he decided to flee away. Because he survived doesn't reduce the DC of a jutsu. Liger Bomb from Raikage for example has shown less DC than Minato's rasengan

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Yet people thought Sasuke would have died from the attack [

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Exactly like how people Juugo would have died from this attack [

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Like Amaterasu never killed anyone in this manga. You want me to continue this way?

Especially when you talk about someone like Obito who has shown the greatest survival feats in this manga when everyone always thought he would die. Now adding the fact, half his body is made of a Hashirama clone created from the Gedo, it increases his resilience. This guy was capable to block Suigetsu with bare hands, kill fodders from the bloody mist with bare hands. His physical capacities were increased to a great level

Do you want me to list the number of times Obito survived when everyone thought he would die? Even the Raikiri kunai made in Kakashi should have killed him, but he still survived and continued his plan like nothing happened

 

[shelke]

Hmm, didn't he dodge it by flying upwards? [X].

The mines did go off and the blast had quite the radius.

 

[Strict]

@Bogard, In your scan, the Samurais Chakra blades are very comparable to wind Chakra, seeing how they can send flying blasts with a swing of their sword, which reminds Fuuton and cut through these solid pillars like through butter. Your scan shows how Sasuke's with Raiton-Chakra enhanced blade repels these blasts. It didn't show the superiority of Sasuke's blade in a direct clash with the sword of a Samurai. It could be a tie as well. Saying they are fodder is probably your subjective opinion, but I see no direct comparison which puts Sasuke's blade above the Samurai's in terms of Chakra enhancement.

In your next scan of Minato fighting A, nothing suggests that Minato would have given A the fatal blow. We could interpret it, yes, but that would mean that a mere Kunai of Minato would get through his Raiton armor. Despite you said that Sasuke's Chakra enhanced blade was fodderized.

Your illustration of the Rasengan's effect over Obito wasn't necessary, I'm very well aware of it. Minato hit Obito in his back, leaving a mark there. Of course Obito would scream, isn't that logical? He is still a living being and those are felling pain. Losing an arm isn't necessarily a feat to Minato's favor; his arms consist out of Zetsu mass and have no durability. When Torune affected Obito's arm, he also simply ripped it off. Against Minato, it simply melted. Btw., remember what specific effect the Rasengan has on Hashirama's cells or the Zetsu. Melting is not the Rasengan's aim, yet it did it with Obito's arm. That was probably a specific reaction.

A's Liger Bomb isn't comparable with a Rasengan. The Liger Bomb uses the victims body to smash him with that momentum headfirst into the ground. Of course no one could survive this impact upon his head. You can't be serious comparing this type of attack with the Rasengan. Jiraiya was also smashed right into the ground but survived it without damage [

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] though logically, that's not really possible. There is another matter as well; A's Liger Bomb indeed broke one rib of Sasuke's Susanoo upon impact. Naruto's Chou Oodama Rasengan didn't have any effect on the ribcage of Madara's Susanoo, which in fact had the same durability. A ribcage of Chakra stays a ribcage of Chakra. The Susanoo-Ribcage of Madara's Susanoo which tanked A's punch later, was noticeably more matured than the Susanoo-Ribcage Sasuke kept up at that moment.

Having body modification with Hashirama's cells doesn't traceable increase the durability of your body. Zetsu have no durability either. According to your arguments, Yamato should also have such an incredible durability as he is modified with Hashirama's cells.

You can't deny, that Kimimaro has one of the most durable bodies in the series as it was stated and demonstrated. He possesses a high level regeneration, has bones which are as hard as steel and can be reproduced by an infinite amount and the Juin, in whose second form the user's power is tenfold.

Sabaku Soso has proven to make way more damage than the Rasengan in any occasion, yet Kimimaro tanked it and regenerated. In his second Juin form, he tanked a far greater version of that without any damage.

There is no need to debate it when we saw what an effect the Rasengan had on several people and consider the hype and feats given to Kimimaro's Kekkei Genkai. A Rasengan simply won't be a threat for Kimimaro. Not only because his body will tank it, but also due to the high level regeneration which is included to Kimimaro's Kekkei Genkai. Not giving full particulars on the Juin, which again increases his power.

 

[Bogard]

@Bogard, In your scan, the Samurais Chakra blades are very comparable to wind Chakra, seeing how they can send flying blasts with a swing of their sword, which reminds Fuuton and cut through these solid pillars like through butter. Your scan shows how Sasuke's with Raiton-Chakra enhanced blade repels these blasts. It didn't show the superiority of Sasuke's blade in a direct clash with the sword of a Samurai. It could be a tie as well. Saying they are fodder is probably your subjective opinion, but I see no direct comparison which puts Sasuke's blade above the Samurai's in terms of Chakra enhancement.

It sends blast of chakra. There is no nature type in the chakra enhanced blade used by Samurai, and because there is no nature type, it's obviously weaker. Look at the picture carefully. It never cut through pillars like butter. I hope you realise it only cut one pillar and it only cut the sides of it, not a clean cut despite multiple of them. Sasuke's solo lightning blade swat them like flies and you say they are comparable?

In your next scan of Minato fighting A, nothing suggests that Minato would have given A the fatal blow. We could interpret it, yes, but that would mean that a mere Kunai of Minato would get through his Raiton armor. Despite you said that Sasuke's Chakra enhanced blade was fodderized.

We didn't see, but it was heavily implied not only because of the impact it created(cuting Hachibi's limb and creating a crater), but A excusing himself for his incompetency to Bee. Those 2facts are clear for me to realise he would have died from the attack or at the very least, he would have been badly injured. Reason why Bee came for his help

Your illustration of the Rasengan's effect over Obito wasn't necessary, I'm very well aware of it. Minato hit Obito in his back, leaving a mark there. Of course Obito would scream, isn't that logical? He is still a living being and those are felling pain. Losing an arm isn't necessarily a feat to Minato's favor; his arms consist out of Zetsu mass and have no durability. When Torune affected Obito's arm, he also simply ripped it off. Against Minato, it simply melted. Btw., remember what specific effect the Rasengan has on Hashirama's cells or the Zetsu. Melting is not the Rasengan's aim, yet it did it with Obito's arm. That was probably a specific reaction.

First of all, something you miss is that only Obito's right side is made of Hashirama's clone body [

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Against Fuu, it's this right side he cut like butter [

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And he is the one who cut it himself. It only displays his strength further

But Minato's rasengan destroyed his left side(so normal arm)

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Notice we even see blood coming out of it on the contrary of what normally happens on his right side. But since there was glue, it probably means the arm that was falling was Spiral Zetsu's body [

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] But despite being protected by his body, rasengan was still powerful enough to damage him inside Spiral Zetsu

Either that or he modified his left side as well, but it's highly unlikely. When you even consider his greater height than norma during the fb(comparable to that of Minato), the hypothese of Spiral Zetsu covering his body is more likely

Secondly before even controlling his right side [

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With Spiral Zetsu's body he destroyed it completely

And you are still saying it doesn't increase physical strength?

A's Liger Bomb isn't comparable with a Rasengan. The Liger Bomb uses the victims body to smash him with that momentum headfirst into the ground.

How does Liger Bomb works? You said it yourself. The user grabs the target and smash him into the ground. The result of the impact creating the crater. How do you think Rasengan works? The power of Rasengan push the target backwards. So when you use rasengan on a target in the ground direction, it smashes the target into the ground. Both have the same workings. Only difference been that Rasengan also gives internal damages. Liger Bomb smashing head first like you say isn't the point, the point is to show you a technique with similar workings than Rasengan like Liger bomb has less DC. You talk about smashing head first as if Minato couldn't do the same with rasengan. Do you even imagine just Minato smashing on the head with a rasengan into the ground? Do you think it would be different from liger bomb? Well it will be to some extent because of the internal effects of the jutsu, but externally? No

Of course no one could survive this impact upon his head. You can't be serious comparing this type of attack with the Rasengan.

Do you even see the difference in impact between both techniques? Raikage's liger bomb barely leveled the place where they were fighting to his feet level when Minato's rasengan leveled the battlefield to above humans in terms of height(talking about the rocks)

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We barely even see Minato at all

Jiraiya was also smashed right into the ground but survived it without damage [

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I'm comparing the DC of the attacks. Dunno what you are trying to prove here

There is another matter as well; A's Liger Bomb indeed broke one rib of Sasuke's Susanoo upon impact. Naruto's Chou Oodama Rasengan didn't have any effect on the ribcage of Madara's Susanoo, which in fact had the same durability.

Who said the ribcage were the same in durability? Susanoo is just a materialised chakra. It depends on the strength of the chakra

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wasn't even able to protect him against a random punch from from Raikage's side, who smashed him as if the ribcage wasn't even around him:

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On the other side Madara's ribcage was able to counter without even a little scratch a major attack coming from Raikage's side(his lightning oppression)

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Don't compare Sasuke's beginner ribcage Susanoo to Madara's

You can't deny, that Kimimaro has one of the most durable bodies in the series as it was stated and demonstrated. He possesses a high level regeneration, has bones which are as hard as steel and can be reproduced by an infinite amount and the Juin, in whose second form the user's power is tenfold.

Denying what? The fact his bones got pierced by simple chakra enhanced blades? Are you maybe suggesting rasengan does less damage than fodder chakra enhanced blades?

 

[Strict]

We won't find common ground. We will have agree to disagree.

 

[pateuvasiliu]

Kimi could solo this tbh

Lmao.

The amount of Minato hate is unbearable.

 

[shelke]

Considering that Sasuke's Rib-cage tanked Mei's Lava Release in a better manner, I don't even...