Minato vs Hashirama Senju

[Haizaki]

Well, that's just fine. *_*

Didn't mean to be offensive but you didn't reason with what I said but just threw it aside.

Damn. My boy Evani know how to throw down. Soloing Invisible Man and the other Minato fanboy no diff. I'd rep you but I can't ATM

Lool bro thanks

not really soloing anything. People on this website don't change their minds for anything. This is the internet. You know how the internet works right?

If you do, then you'd realize that online debate forums are pointless. It's just for fun.

Of course people have fun

 

[StarWanderer]

Minato is superior to Hashirama.

He dealt with far greater attacks that Hashirama can ever dream of accomplish (the Juubi's TBB)
he is faster than 8th gate Gai, so there is no way Hashirama can dodge his attacks
and he can cut JJ Madara's woods without even using his hands, so it will be much easier for him to cut Hashirama's woods with his
hands.

Also, Minato is the only Hokage who was not fully defeated, even though he fought stronger foes than the other Hokages...

At that moment, Minato had 9 tails chakra. Give this chakra to Hashirama and watch what he can do. And, lol, cut his wood? His wood withstood 100% Kurama bomb head on and stoped Perfect Susanoo's blade. Minato cant do anything to Hashirama's wood. And about Minato's speed... Well, not-in-his-prime Obito was able to react to Minato. A shinobi, who is in Kakashi and Might Guy's speed class was able to react to Minato. That means Hashirama can react to him as well. In fact, all he needs to do is to cover himself in an inpenetrable (for Minato, of course) construct and change battlefield around him all the time while creating Flower Tree World all the time + using wood clones. Hashirama will stomp him, badly.

Oh, and by the way, travel speed is not = to fighting speed. So all that "Oh, he arrived on battlefield faster than other Hokage", or "Oh, he was able to appear before 8 Gate Guy" does not realy work logically. But if it works for you than you might think some olympic runner in a fight will have the same speed and reaction as, lets say, Demetrious Johnson, UFC flyweight champion. But, in fact, he wont.

Plus, even his arrival on battlefield was a part of a plan, since his hiraishin is faster than 2 Hokage's.

Also, bringing here Minato's Tailed Beast forms feats is not realy working in this debate. Because Minato had power up. And one more thing - Hashirama has many times bigger chakra than Minato.

 

[Steinbiz]

At that moment, Minato had 9 tails chakra. Give this chakra to Hashirama and watch what he can do. And, lol, cut his wood? His wood withstood 100% Kurama bomb head on and stoped Perfect Susanoo's blade. Minato cant do anything to Hashirama's wood. And about Minato's speed... Well, not-in-his-prime Obito was able to react to Minato. A shinobi, who is in Kakashi and Might Guy's speed class was able to react to Minato. That means Hashirama can react to him as well. In fact, all he needs to do is to cover himself in an inpenetrable (for Minato, of course) construct and change battlefield around him all the time while creating Flower Tree World all the time + using wood clones. Hashirama will stomp him, badly.

Oh, and by the way, travel speed is not = to fighting speed. So all that "Oh, he arrived on battlefield faster than other Hokage", or "Oh, he was able to appear before 8 Gate Guy" does not realy work logically. But if it works for you than you might think some olympic runner in a fight will have the same speed and reaction as, lets say, Demetrious Johnson, UFC flyweight champion. But, in fact, he wont.

Plus, even his arrival on battlefield was a part of a plan, since his hiraishin is faster than 2 Hokage's.

Also, bringing here Minato's Tailed Beast forms feats is not realy working in this debate. Because Minato had power up. And one more thing - Hashirama has many times bigger chakra than Minato.

Hashirama doesn't need SM, KCM or BM. His wood is strong enough to kill any normal mortal with ease. Increasing the power of his wood is pointless. The only thing enhanced chakra levels really does for Hashirama is more quantity of wood.

Oh, as for for Minato never damaging Hashirama, why would Minato just throw countless Rasengans at giant tree stumps probably knowing it won't work. If ANYONE in the entire series knows the strengths and weaknesses of a Rasengan, it's Minato. HE CREATED IT. Minato isn't retarded. He's not gunna just spam Rasengans into wood like a friggin window licker. He's going to blitz around Hashirama and wait for the 1/1000 of a second where Hashirama drops his guard and FTG-take his head off.

On the point of Obito keeping up with Minato. He was enhanced by Zetsu, Hashirama and Madara's chakra. Not to mention he had a Sharingan. I would be SURPRISED if he couldn't react to Minato. And yet......he still got FTG'd on. Hmm....guess Minato was still too badass even with all that power up on Obito.

 

[Valhorus]

People who can't find the differencce between a reaaction and speed , between a man with hand and a man with 2 , between man with no hands and a man with two should cut their arms off to see what they can do with their body balance .

As far I remember the only one who soloed Obito in seconds was Minato , and the reason he didn't die was the plot of the series otherwise there couldn't have Naruto roflmao .

 

[Demonic.]

People who can't find the differencce between a reaaction and speed , between a man with hand and a man with 2 , between man with no hands and a man with two should cut their arms off to see what they can do with their body balance .

As far I remember the only one who soloed Obito in seconds was Minato , and the reason he didn't die was the plot of the series otherwise there couldn't have Naruto roflmao .

Minato solo'd Obito because of FTG, what's your point? Tobirama has FTG too yet Hashirama > Tobirama.

 

[Great Master Minato]

Minato solo'd Obito because of FTG, what's your point? Tobirama has FTG too yet Hashirama > Tobirama.

I'm Not Going To Get Into This But You Forgot Something...Minato >=Tobirama...BM Minato >>>>>>>>> Tobirama...So Don't Compare Them...

 

[Haizaki]

People who can't find the differencce between a reaaction and speed , between a man with hand and a man with 2 , between man with no hands and a man with two should cut their arms off to see what they can do with their body balance .

As far I remember the only one who soloed Obito in seconds was Minato , and the reason he didn't die was the plot of the series otherwise there couldn't have Naruto roflmao .

I don't know what point you're trying to make but how in the world would 1 hand make a difference when he teleports and uses one hand to strike with his attack (rasengan). A second hand won't have changed a thing in that scenario. He had 2 hands when he lost one of them didn't he?

 

[Great Master Minato]

I don't know what point you're trying to make but how in the world would 1 hand make a difference when he teleports and uses one hand to strike with his attack (rasengan). A second hand won't have changed a thing in that scenario. He had 2 hands when he lost one of them didn't he?

When He Appeared In Front Of JJ Madara He's Hand Was On He's Kunai Like Every Time He Teleports...He Always Grab The Kunai With One Hand & Attack With The Other Hand...Guess What? That Time He Just Had One Arm...He Had To Grab The Kunai He Teleported At With That Hand & Then Move That Same Hand Back To Create Rasengan...That Gave Madara Enough Time To Cut He's Hand Off...If He Had 2 arms He Wouldn't Waste Anytime On Creating Rasengan...

 

[Haizaki]

When He Appeared In Front Of JJ Madara He's Hand Was On He's Kunai Like Every Time He Teleports...He Always Grab The Kunai With One Hand & Attack With The Other Hand...Guess What? That Time He Just Had One Arm...He Had To Grab The Kunai He Teleported At With That Hand & Then Move That Same Hand Back To Create Rasengan...That Gave Madara Enough Time To Cut He's Hand Off...If He Had 2 arms He Wouldn't Waste Anytime On Creating Rasengan...

Lol I don't know what you're trying to prove but I don't see how it changes a thing. Even before he could land his attack he was cut down to his surprise and the others.

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That's speculation. He doesn't have to grab his "kunai" as it's not necessary when he can teleport to it. We weren't shown him grabbing his kunai. Not to mention the kunai was still on the same spot when he appeared and was sent flying

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. I wonder how he carried his kunai, stuck it back to the ground, Put his hand backwards for a rasengan

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. He did all of these and Madara watched him right in front of him but them waited for him to attack before he cut him? Come on, this is completely false. He didn't grab a kunai. He appeared with his rasengan and got smacked.

Pretty sure when Lee threw the kunai, he had no hands to grab it with but he could still teleport there.

 

[StarWanderer]

Hashirama doesn't need SM, KCM or BM. His wood is strong enough to kill any normal mortal with ease. Increasing the power of his wood is pointless. The only thing enhanced chakra levels really does for Hashirama is more quantity of wood.

Oh, as for for Minato never damaging Hashirama, why would Minato just throw countless Rasengans at giant tree stumps probably knowing it won't work. If ANYONE in the entire series knows the strengths and weaknesses of a Rasengan, it's Minato. HE CREATED IT. Minato isn't retarded. He's not gunna just spam Rasengans into wood like a friggin window licker. He's going to blitz around Hashirama and wait for the 1/1000 of a second where Hashirama drops his guard and FTG-take his head off.

On the point of Obito keeping up with Minato. He was enhanced by Zetsu, Hashirama and Madara's chakra. Not to mention he had a Sharingan. I would be SURPRISED if he couldn't react to Minato. And yet......he still got FTG'd on. Hmm....guess Minato was still too badass even with all that power up on Obito.

The fact is - Minato doesnt have speed feats that are good enough to suggest he can "blitz around" Hashirama without risking to be killed. My point is - Minato cant do anything with Hashirama when he is several kilometeres close to him. Hashirama is under protective construct and at the same time he is changing battlefield around him all the time + he is doing clones, Flower Tree World and using his Sage Mode to sence Minato. He is an indistructible object who makes area of several kilometeres around him deadly. Deadly enough for Minato to be killed there.

Kakashi and Guy were both able to keep up with Obito and react to him. Kakashi even beat him. Plus, Tobi wasnt in his prime when he fought Minato and he had only 1 sharingan. If those shinobi can, Hashirama for sure can, especially in his Sage Mode. And that means, Hashirama can react to Minato. But the problem with Hashirama is that Minato cant do anything to him, he wont even recognise who is real Hashirama and who is a clone. He wont keep up with him for a long time. He wont teleport around since the battlefield is changing all the time. He wont blitz him, simply because he is not fast enough. He wont beat him. Hashirama is clearly superior.

 

[Steinbiz]

The fact is - Minato doesnt have speed feats that are good enough to suggest he can "blitz around" Hashirama without risking to be killed. My point is - Minato cant do anything with Hashirama when he is several kilometeres close to him. Hashirama is under protective construct and at the same time he is changing battlefield around him all the time + he is doing clones, Flower Tree World and using his Sage Mode to sence Minato. He is an indistructible object who makes area of several kilometeres around him deadly. Deadly enough for Minato to be killed there.

Kakashi and Guy were both able to keep up with Obito and react to him. Kakashi even beat him. Plus, Tobi wasnt in his prime when he fought Minato and he had only 1 sharingan. If those shinobi can, Hashirama for sure can, especially in his Sage Mode. And that means, Hashirama can react to Minato. But the problem with Hashirama is that Minato cant do anything to him, he wont even recognise who is real Hashirama and who is a clone. He wont keep up with him for a long time. He wont teleport around since the battlefield is changing all the time. He wont blitz him, simply because he is not fast enough. He wont beat him. Hashirama is clearly superior.

I can't argue with you because the fact that you seem to think that Minato will never get close to Hashirama is insane. Do you understand that FTG speed is like Kirin speed. It happens at 1/1000 of a second. Faster than a human can react to. Hashirama can constantly change the battlefield yes, but Minato can just keep throwing, tagging and blitzing around to the point where Hashirama won't be able to SEE him. You can't, it's not possible for the human eye to follow something that is on par with light speed. Ever heard that quote, "the hand is quicker than the eye"? Well, teleporting is certainly quicker than the eye as well. If he's in SM, then yes, Hashirama will be able to sense Minato wherever he goes. But with BM Minato clones FTG'ing around the battlefield like crazy, Hashirama's SM senses are going to betray him at some point.

You seem to think Hashirama is the only one here that can create clones. Jiraiya, Minato and Naruto were all pro's at shadow clones. Hashirama will have to be on his toes as well watching for clones. Not just Minato. And with BM, Minato's gunna have a ridiculous amount of chakra to create a huge quantity of clones.

I've got a nice picture for yuh. Look at this picture and imagine him being in BM the entire time and having like 50-100 BM clones doing the same thing. Honestly, seriously, how can you justify Hashirama surviving that? Even with SM?

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P.S. And don't tell me Hashirama's wood is going to grab him and hold him in place at any point during this fight. Please........Hiruzen dodged that shit for days. Let alone BM Minato with FTG tags everywhere. pfffff. Dreams bro, dreams.

 

[pateuvasiliu]

I don't know what point you're trying to make but how in the world would 1 hand make a difference when he teleports and uses one hand to strike with his attack (rasengan). A second hand won't have changed a thing in that scenario. He had 2 hands when he lost one of them didn't he?

Body balance, obviously.

 

[Haizaki]

Body balance, obviously.

???????????????? What are you talking about? Body Balance? Love how people grasp at straws. I don't get this at all. Ay with one hand was pushing KCM Naruto who was incredibly fast. Was it because of one hand? Ay with one hand was still attacking Madara with no problem and even with an increased speed, he was blitzing Mu and could still attack Madara forcing him to compliment his speed. When it comes to Minato, it's a different case.

Sure having one hand is a disadvantage but in no way does it slow down one's striking speed(especially when that hand doesn't play a part in your attack) and movement speed.

 

[Unorthodox]

Hashirama wins every time

 

[StarWanderer]

I can't argue with you because the fact that you seem to think that Minato will never get close to Hashirama is insane. Do you understand that FTG speed is like Kirin speed. It happens at 1/1000 of a second. Faster than a human can react to. Hashirama can constantly change the battlefield yes, but Minato can just keep throwing, tagging and blitzing around to the point where Hashirama won't be able to SEE him. You can't, it's not possible for the human eye to follow something that is on par with light speed. Ever heard that quote, "the hand is quicker than the eye"? Well, teleporting is certainly quicker than the eye as well. If he's in SM, then yes, Hashirama will be able to sense Minato wherever he goes. But with BM Minato clones FTG'ing around the battlefield like crazy, Hashirama's SM senses are going to betray him at some point.

You seem to think Hashirama is the only one here that can create clones. Jiraiya, Minato and Naruto were all pro's at shadow clones. Hashirama will have to be on his toes as well watching for clones. Not just Minato. And with BM, Minato's gunna have a ridiculous amount of chakra to create a huge quantity of clones.

I've got a nice picture for yuh. Look at this picture and imagine him being in BM the entire time and having like 50-100 BM clones doing the same thing. Honestly, seriously, how can you justify Hashirama surviving that? Even with SM?

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P.S. And don't tell me Hashirama's wood is going to grab him and hold him in place at any point during this fight. Please........Hiruzen dodged that shit for days. Let alone BM Minato with FTG tags everywhere. pfffff. Dreams bro, dreams.

I have never seen all that nonsence about 1/1000 of a second in manga. Show me a scan please. Minato does not have that kind of speed. Not even close. And i dont care about this picture. I can show you a GIF where Madara moves like a blur and speed blitz the entire Fourth Division. So what? I repeat - Obito was able to react to him. Obito. And he wasnt even in his prime when he reacted to Minato. Plus, that Obito had just 1 MS and was enchansed with a VERY little amount of Hashirama's chakra. Oh, by the way, many shinobi can move "faster than a human can react to". Hashirama will BE able to see him.

And lol, do you realy think he can dodge Flower Tree World's poison, combined with a rain of God Gates and an army of clones? Add to that dangerous penetrative trees that can tear him apart. Minato doesnt have enough speed and chakra to keep up.

And we are not talking about BM Minato. In OP, its not BM Minato. But even BM Minato loses.

I can justify. He covers himself in his protective wood construct and also creates an army of 50-100 clones. Plus he can use his other techniques as i mentioned. Oh btw, clones are not as strong as the original.

Dreams? Man, that not fully ressurected Hashirama was not even close to alive prime Hashirama Senju. If Hashirama at that point was as strong as in his prime days, he would have killed Hiruzen, very quickly.

 

[StarWanderer]

I can't argue with you because the fact that you seem to think that Minato will never get close to Hashirama is insane. Do you understand that FTG speed is like Kirin speed. It happens at 1/1000 of a second. Faster than a human can react to. Hashirama can constantly change the battlefield yes, but Minato can just keep throwing, tagging and blitzing around to the point where Hashirama won't be able to SEE him. You can't, it's not possible for the human eye to follow something that is on par with light speed. Ever heard that quote, "the hand is quicker than the eye"? Well, teleporting is certainly quicker than the eye as well. If he's in SM, then yes, Hashirama will be able to sense Minato wherever he goes. But with BM Minato clones FTG'ing around the battlefield like crazy, Hashirama's SM senses are going to betray him at some point.

You seem to think Hashirama is the only one here that can create clones. Jiraiya, Minato and Naruto were all pro's at shadow clones. Hashirama will have to be on his toes as well watching for clones. Not just Minato. And with BM, Minato's gunna have a ridiculous amount of chakra to create a huge quantity of clones.

I've got a nice picture for yuh. Look at this picture and imagine him being in BM the entire time and having like 50-100 BM clones doing the same thing. Honestly, seriously, how can you justify Hashirama surviving that? Even with SM?

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P.S. And don't tell me Hashirama's wood is going to grab him and hold him in place at any point during this fight. Please........Hiruzen dodged that shit for days. Let alone BM Minato with FTG tags everywhere. pfffff. Dreams bro, dreams.

Well, first of all, yes - Minato cant get close to Hashirama. And even if he gets close, he wont go through his mokuton. Because of its dencity. Hashirama can cover himself in a mokuton protective construct so Minato cant do anything to him. And why he wont get close? Well, because he is not fast enough to dodge a rain of Great Gates, a barrage of mokuton, Flower Tree World and his clones. Yes, he cant, because Obito, while not being in his prime, was able to react to him. And 1/1000 of a second? Wanna see a proof, because i dont remember that in manga. I also wanna see Minato's feats that are enough to say Hashirama wont see him. FTG does not make him superior to Hashirama, just like it doesnt make Tobirama superior to him.

Hashirama can make 100 of clones as well. And in OP it is sayd about KCM Minato, isnt it? But even BM Minato wont beat him. Hashirama will supress him and his tailed beast chakra.

And that picture proofs nothing. I can post here a GIF of Edo Madara, who is weaker than alive Madara, moving in a blur.