They can't talk about people who existed before Minato. On top of that Jiraiya's statement is a reference to Minato's "talent" or "potential" not his power.
*Sigh* He made no time difference in his statement. He clearly stated everybody(from past to present) pales to him, even adding his capacity was unparalleled[in entire history]. And no, it wasn't only about talent, but clearly power. Capacity and power are synonyms
Edit: Oh and btw Minato received too much hype in this manga compared to one unique hype only from a random fodder you're hanging on, especially when this hype you mention only concern people in his era and can be proven wrong from the simple fact that Madara who was in the era was stronger than Tobirama
Lmao Im not even going to waist time countering you since you ignor manga facts. Mifune is indeed a speed demon, Minato and hanzou both can blitz, you ignor hanzo yet credit minato? Lmao They both uses it and they both are fast in base. Minato blitz are not impressive in the lightest in terms of killing ninjas off bat. His only blitz feat was saving his son from getting stabbed by a slow as striking motion by tobi who only wanted to separate them from kushina (manga fact). SHow one ninja that got killed or marked with out the use of FTG. Show him being faster then Mifune in foot speed (i.e. Killing a ninja with only the movements of there hands. No ninja in the manga besides the Raikages has shown to be that fast btw).
Then you try to use OBD as if that holds any meaning since they do not have anything on hanzo. When you use ODB you use it for both ninjas equally not the one you want to win. Learn how to use that method of Debating.
Minato does not instantly grab 3 kunais, they do not instantly appear behind or next to the opponent. Don't know where you got that Idea from. Manga Scan please! Hanzo Summons Ibuse Instantly SInce it is a space time jutsu (manga fact). You basically said minato Base is faster then Space time ninjutsu. lmmfao If that were the case he wouldnt need the use of FTG. He has nothing to stop Ibuse From coming. Then if minato uses your weak Strategy Ibuse will immediatly poison the area and the kunais that were thrown!
If Minato breathe he loses. Simple logic. Since this is no knowledge, the moment he enters range he loses. What do you not get? Hanzo has 2 methods of ending it off bat with your weak argument. I'm busy and cannot reply properly, but from what i skimmed over, your argument is baseless assumptions of what you want hanzou to to and what you want minato to do. That's not how you debate kid, i tell what hanzou will do (in character), and you say what minato could do (in character).
Of course you don't want to 'waste time'.. More like debate over a losing argument on your part.
Yes he is fast, does he compare to any of the Hokage's speed wise? No. Does Hanzo reacting to Mifune mean he is as fast as Mifune? No. Reaction speed=/=Movement speed. And even then, nothing implies he can react to Minato. You yourself claimed Hanzo reacted to Mifune on the last second, so how does he react to Minato if he could barely react to Mifune?
Why are you asking me for proof that Minato can mark someone without FTG, when all my claims are usually based around FTG, while some on shunshin. Shunshin of Minato's up to now is portrayed as faster than anyone's in the entire manga. He was way faster than Tobirama, who has an immensely quick shunshin. Minato always fights with FTG, so you asking for evidence of a ninja getting marked without FTG is rather absurd. Your argument doesn't hold.
Please show me Mifune's speed feats. I would really love to see those feats you are talking about.
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? It only portrays Hanzo's slow hand seals and decent reaction speed, I will interpret it like this if you decide to perceive things solely by the way you want them to be. Look at it this way. Mifune may have a decent shunshin, but his swing time hasn't proven to be good. I will prove that Hanzo won't react to mina to if he FTG's, which you for some reason believe he can react to.
-After Sasuke had turned on his Susano, fought with it, used amateratsu, engulfed his Susano with enton, all while he still had MS.
-After that, Sasuke was confronted by Mifune, who couldn't even compare or even surprise Sasuke with his swing [
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-Sasuke could barely react to Bee when he was fully energised, and was heavily surprised every time he was being attacked ie. [
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You trying to say Mifune's sword swing is impressive is rather a fallacious attempt. You trying to say Mifune's shunshin is even in the same league with Minato's is absurd. Let me show you how one can approximate Minato's shunshin with logic and feats. Let me put you on a road down to Minato's Shunshin.
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Now you see Tobirama admitting inferiority to minato's Shunshin, take a look at Tobirama's Shunshin. Tobirama comes from nowhere on panel [
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You just proved my point.. OBD has nothing on Hanzo because Hanzo is nearly featless.. Yet you pull feats for him out of your ass to make him seem fast. Telling me to learn how to debate when you support claims that Mifune is second to Ay.. How ironic. Stop creating your own feats to support your arguments.
You don't seem to realise how poison works. It was never stated that if Hanzo breathes the air around him is automatically lethal. It was stated Hanzo poisons people by breathing onto them, not around them [
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Moreover, Minato tagging Hanzo's weapon would sill be within the radius of the FTG, for Minato to end up behind Hanzo. We have seen FTG radius is beyond objects in-between the FTG mark [
*Sigh* He made no time difference in his statement. He clearly stated everybody(from past to present) pales to him, even adding his capacity was unparalleled[in entire history]. And no, it wasn't only about talent, but clearly power. Capacity and power are synonyms
Edit: Oh and btw Minato received too much hype in this manga compared to one unique hype only from a random fodder you're hanging on, especially when this hype you mention only concern people in his era and can be proven wrong from the simple fact that Madara who was in the era was stronger than Tobirama
- He didn't even know Tobirama or Hashirama and sure in hell didn't put Hiruzen in that statement. Why? Because all are older than him. He can't know their capacity because he wasn't their teacher.
- Minato without a doubt out of the people Jiraiya has taught had the best capacity after Naruto.
- But in this reference he referred to potential.. the capacity to do something. Seeing as they were talking about Jiraiya's students.
Sorry, sir there is difference between the type of hypes. Tobirama is HAILED as the best shinobi along with his brother... meaning his regard is higher than Minato and Hiruzen's.. Neji has more hype as a genius, so should i put Neji above Tobirama?
Again, your hype of Minato is futile since it only talks about the people after him and during his time. And on top of that Manga has already shown, people from the past eras have been stronger than the current ones. The ones who surpassed them are obviously the 3 mains.
Madara was stronger than Tobirama.. cool we already know this. . Naruto has more potential than Minato.. we also know that. Sasuke is a better genius than Minato we already know that. Shikamaru is smarter than Minato we already know this.. Picking things out doesn't help your resolve.
You are trying to defend an underdog against a top dog, who hasn't gotten screen time.
- He didn't even know Tobirama or Hashirama and sure in hell didn't put Hiruzen in that statement. Why? Because all are older than him. He can't know their capacity because he wasn't their teacher.
- Minato without a doubt out of the people Jiraiya has taught had the best capacity after Naruto.
- But in this reference he referred to potential.. the capacity to do something. Seeing as they were talking about Jiraiya's students.
Sorry, sir there is difference between the type of hypes. Tobirama is HAILED as the best shinobi along with his brother... meaning his regard is higher than Minato and Hiruzen's.. Neji has more hype as a genius, so should i put Neji above Tobirama?
Again, your hype of Minato is futile since it only talks about the people after him and during his time. And on top of that Manga has already shown, people from the past eras have been stronger than the current ones. The ones who surpassed them are obviously the 3 mains.
Madara was stronger than Tobirama.. cool we already know this. . Naruto has more potential than Minato.. we also know that. Sasuke is a better genius than Minato we already know that. Shikamaru is smarter than Minato we already know this.. Picking things out doesn't help your resolve.
You are trying to defend an underdog against a top dog, who hasn't gotten screen time.
I'm not even gonna counter the amount of BS in this post. Just ask one question. How can Tobirama be hailed as the best shinobi if Madara is stronger than him?
I'm not even gonna counter the amount of BS in this post. Just ask one question. How can Tobirama be hailed as the best shinobi if Madara is stronger than him?
I don't know what the notion of villain has to do with anything. We're talking about the strength of ninjas and your behavior(whether good or villain) has nothing to do with this. Kakuzu is a villain and went against Hashirama. I guess he is stronger than Tobirama as well?
The fact Tobirama is supposedly hailed as the best shinobi when you know that Madara is stronger already makes this hype wrong. Infact the simple fact of saying he is the best shinobi with his brother is already wrong since Hashirama himself is stronger than his brother. The correct statement would have been one of the best, but yet this hype says it as if they were equal, something which is obviously wrong
Of course you don't want to 'waste time'.. More like debate over a losing argument on your part.
Yes he is fast, does he compare to any of the Hokage's speed wise? No. Does Hanzo reacting to Mifune mean he is as fast as Mifune? No. Reaction speed=/=Movement speed. And even then, nothing implies he can react to Minato. You yourself claimed Hanzo reacted to Mifune on the last second, so how does he react to Minato if he could barely react to Mifune?
How do you know the Hokages are faster? Where in the Manga suggest this? Again you have no manga nor databook proof to solidify your accusations. Hanzo in his Prime and out of his prime was able to match speed with Mifune on every occasion:
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The first time when in prime he bested Mifune in prime, the second time he only lost because his sword was dull. All in all they were even. Its a reason besides the edo strike mifune never laid a single blow or strike on Hanzo. Mifune a ninja who can strike any ninja in a instant from the opening of the hands about to form hand seals. And yet Hanzou was able to switch from trying to use ninjutsu to defending easily no difficulty! Not even sasuke, itachi, kakashi can strike in any gap (besides the long as water dragon seal) that ninjutsu creates. Hanzou defending from a would be instant attack is beyond amazing reaction speed. Hanzou Tieing/matching Mifune in a final strike (win or lose) is an amazing speed feat. Hanzo using the Body flicker means he is super fast just like minato. Minato isnt always fast for ever. He (just like hanzou or any speed demon) has to use the Body flicker Tech.
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From mid-close range he couldn't even blitz Obito.
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Him about to throw a ton of kunais isnt instant.
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He was running at full speed (not body flicker speed, learn the difference), and still didnt make it to obito. Him finally throwing the Kunais aren't fast at all.
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is when he is about to throw 6 kunais at once, next we have him throwing them
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as you can see it isnt instant and the kunais are thrown at regular fast speed. Any above average ninja can react to it easily.
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he says he is fianlly coming (he likes to talk, but ok),
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is when he tries to strike after "Blitzing" a standard-not moving Obito. Unless the ninja is marked, him Blitzing with FTG is predictable and is abled to be countered.
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is when Bee countered him before he could strike His Brother with a FTG Blitz. Hanzou has super reflexes to counter any would be FTG strike just like Bee (and keep in mind, bee was far away). FTG Blitz isn't Surprising Hanzou EVER unless he is marked (like obito)! Body flicker blitz is countered with Hanzous own Body Flicker Blitz.
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he couldn't save naruto with his "Blitz" speed. Why is that? He is an edo with 2 legs and Kyubi chakra. No excuse!
Why are you asking me for proof that Minato can mark someone without FTG, when all my claims are usually based around FTG, while some on shunshin. Shunshin of Minato's up to now is portrayed as faster than anyone's in the entire manga. He was way faster than Tobirama, who has an immensely quick shunshin. Minato always fights with FTG, so you asking for evidence of a ninja getting marked without FTG is rather absurd. Your argument doesn't hold.
I didn't ask what you are stating. Im asking you to show a ninja getting blitz by basic minato speed. Like Raikage, rock lee, gai, Mifune, Sasuke, itachi etc etc. All of his Deadly Blows are FTG Related, aka Kunai related. Unless you show me a ninja getting blitz by basic minato speed STFU.
Please show me Mifune's speed feats. I would really love to see those feats you are talking about.
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? It only portrays Hanzo's slow hand seals and decent reaction speed, I will interpret it like this if you decide to perceive things solely by the way you want them to be. Look at it this way. Mifune may have a decent shunshin, but his swing time hasn't proven to be good. I will prove that Hanzo won't react to mina to if he FTG's, which you for some reason believe he can react to.
-After Sasuke had turned on his Susano, fought with it, used amateratsu, engulfed his Susano with enton, all while he still had MS.
-After that, Sasuke was confronted by Mifune, who couldn't even compare or even surprise Sasuke with his swing [
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-Sasuke could barely react to Bee when he was fully energised, and was heavily surprised every time he was being attacked ie. [
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You trying to say Mifune's sword swing is impressive is rather a fallacious attempt. You trying to say Mifune's shunshin is even in the same league with Minato's is absurd.
Mifune striking sasuke wasn't Mifune's "IAI" tech that allows him to move super fast (master of it). Not the same nor close to it being the same. The sasuke encounter wasnt even a serious point. And sasuke having the sharingan helps allot. Just because sasuke had a battle previous doesnt mean his Fighting skills went down, don't know why you are trying to down play sasuke for nothing. And like i said basic Bee was able to react to minato and his FTg 2 times perfectly no difficulty. So does that mean Bee is faster then Minato??? See what i did there? lmao
Let me show you how one can approximate Minato's shunshin with logic and feats. Let me put you on a road down to Minato's Shunshin.
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Now you see Tobirama admitting inferiority to minato's Shunshin, take a look at Tobirama's Shunshin. Tobirama comes from nowhere on panel [
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Hype on FTg doesnt mean anything. Ofc Minato is faster then Aye using FTG, ofc Minato's FTG is better then Tobirama's. Whats your point??? That isnt foot speed. When Aye went full speed towards Minato, minato had to use
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becuase he was too slow to compete with regular foot speed. Then you try to show Tobirama grabbing the black ball as if you knew were the clone was initially. The clone could of been extra close for all we know. And btw,this just shows how slow minato was that he couldnt grab it in time. lmmfao hahahahahahahah Good job!
You just proved my point.. OBD has nothing on Hanzo because Hanzo is nearly featless.. Yet you pull feats for him out of your ass to make him seem fast. Telling me to learn how to debate when you support claims that Mifune is second to Ay.. How ironic. Stop creating your own feats to support your arguments.
I pulled Feats from the manga kiddo, not BS From the OBD. Hanzo has never been hit by mifune except when his sword was dull. He defeated a master Kenjutsu user at his own game when he was in his prime. He
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You don't seem to realise how poison works. It was never stated that if Hanzo breathes the air around him is automatically lethal. It was stated Hanzo poisons people by breathing onto them, not around them [
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You still don't get it. By hanzo breathing (inhale, exhale) near by ppl would be Intoxicated. "NEARBY PPL", They do not have to breathe it, they simple have to be 'NEARBY" to get poisoned!
near•by (ˈnɪərˈbaɪ)
adj.
1. close at hand; adjacent; neighboring.
adv.
2. in the vicinity; close by.
Do you now know the definition??????? And with Hanzo's reaction speed being able to defend at a split second, he easily defends against minato, Minato gets poisoned, fights over! Simple! Are you saying minato would know to not get close at all??? Your strategy is to blitz in some way or fashion. LMAO he gets poison, fight over! What do you not get???
Moreover, Minato tagging Hanzo's weapon would sill be within the radius of the FTG, for Minato to end up behind Hanzo. We have seen FTG radius is beyond objects in-between the FTG mark [
In your head you believe hanzou will stay still and let mianto have his way doing what ever he wants with no resistance! lmao that is why I cannot take you serious. Hanzou is not stupid nor will he allow any ninja to get the best of him just standing in one spot the entire time. Hanzou has a Explosive tech which appears where ever he wants it to appear, Mianto kunais that are scattered will all blow up once hanzou see what minato can do with them. And Kunai thrown at hanzou is Deflected and Blown up by his explosive kunais. Period! What is Minato counter to Exploding Kunai's hitting his own?
For someone to say Minato wins No diff you sure are pulling out all the stops to even stand a chance. lmao Minato gets poisoned the moment he gets close, or Ibuse ends it off bat since he can poison a large area almost instantly. Whether you breathe it or not, you lose!
Where in the manga states this? And where in the manga does it have every ninja's Mach speed to be fair? Hell Bring every ninja in the OBD mach speeds so we can compare and contrast fair since so many want to use it.
Where in the manga states this? And where in the manga does it have every ninja's Mach speed to be fair? Hell Bring every ninja in the OBD mach speeds so we can compare and contrast fair since so many want to use it.
Draegod you miss an important point in your post concerning blitz or whatever. In majority of cases you mention, Minato wasn't trying to blitz his opponent, but to start an attack, and starting an attack depends heavily on timing rather than speed, like when he wanted to use his Rasen chourinbu kousanshiki for example.
We may not have seen the technique, but like any close range attacks, it should require a great deal of timing, especially in this case when his opponent is as durable as Jinchuriki Obito(surviving multiple explosive tags explosions without a scratch for example). You must be sure to hit the opponent with a max possibility to create damages, not just trying to outspeed your opponent to do nothing in the end. For these reasons like i've said, timing is more important than speed
I don't think that at this point, arguing against Minato's base speed make sense judging by his feats and portrayal on the matter. Even in latest chapter he crossed more than 400meters the time of an instant surprising 3MS(or EMS) users [
Minato has more feats is what you mean. Hanzou Reacting to "Iai" is an amazing Feat in itself! Minato's only shown Blitz feat that could Even compare to the "IaI" is when he saved his son. And even that wasnt as fast considering mifune would of saved or slashed Tobi the moment he releases naruto in the air.
Too many fans (like your self), try to downplay Other ninjas speed feats because it wasnt said they were the "fastest". Minato having better reaction is moot since i never stated he couldn't react to any of hanzou's attacks.
Unless Hanzo is marked (not nearby kunais), he has no problem reacting to anything minato attempts. You have to learn the difference between foot speed, Body flicker speed, Space time ninjutsu, and Striking Speed. They are all different and all are measured differently.
Draegod you miss an important point in your post concerning blitz or whatever. In majority of cases you mention, Minato wasn't trying to blitz his opponent, but to start an attack, and starting an attack depends heavily on timing rather than speed, like when he wanted to use his Rasen chourinbu kousanshiki for example.
We may not have seen the technique, but like any close range attacks, it should require a great deal of timing, especially in this case when his opponent is as durable as Jinchuriki Obito(surviving multiple explosive tags explosions without a scratch for example). You must be sure to hit the opponent with a max possibility to create damages, not just trying to outspeed your opponent to do nothing in the end. For these reasons like i've said, timing is more important than speed
I don't think that at this point, arguing against Minato's base speed make sense judging by his feats and portrayal on the matter. Even in latest chapter he crossed more than 400meters the time of an instant surprising 3MS(or EMS) users [
I agree! But with his strategy he states Minato would Use 3-5 kunais first, and it would be instant and it will hit hanzou instant and hanzou will not react and just stand there watching minato 1) grab kunais 2) throwing motion with kunais 3) watch kunais travel 4) allow kunais to land 5) minato blitz to kunais and try to strike him.
Its either he Blitz or he uses the Kunai Strategy. Either way hanzou has counters for both methods bro.
Minato has more feats is what you mean. Hanzou Reacting to "Iai" is an amazing Feat in itself! Minato's only shown Blitz feat that could Even compare to the "IaI" is when he saved his son. And even that wasnt as fast considering mifune would of saved or slashed Tobi the moment he releases naruto in the air.
Too many fans (like your self), try to downplay Other ninjas speed feats because it wasnt said they were the "fastest". Minato having better reaction is moot since i never stated he couldn't react to any of hanzou's attacks.
Unless Hanzo is marked (not nearby kunais), he has no problem reacting to anything minato attempts. You have to learn the difference between foot speed, Body flicker speed, Space time ninjutsu, and Striking Speed. They are all different and all are measured differently.
What exactly is IaI? I have never heard of that? Care to elaborate? Anyways We need to use common sense here, Minato was capable of throwing a ftg kunai and reacting to V2 Ay all at the time, that feat alone makes me believe he will be capable of reacting to anything hanzo has to offer. You keep saying ''that was never said'' or '' he was never said to be the fastest'', keep doing that while I use the manga which clearly portrays Minato having better speed and reaction then hanzo which you were somewhat implying he could not.
Foot speed and body flicker are sort of in the same category.
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Here is the Db entry for shunshin
A movement technique with extreme speed like a gust of wind!!
Appearing along with the wind, disappearing like the wind: the ninja's instantaneous movement technique. This super fast movement is almost impossible to grasp with the naked eye. If seen by an ordinary person, it would seem as if the user has teleported... In reality, the user has vitalized his body with chakra and moved at super speeds. The amount of chakra used up differs depending on the distance and elevation of their stopping point in comparison to the starting point
Reflexes are also in speed category as well. Striking speed? I am well aware of that.
Anyways I just went over your reaction time feats for hanzo against Mifune and honestly while they are impressive they arent anything amazing that would convince me he can react to someone of Minato's speed. Mifune is simply a advance samurai nothing more, nothing less. But I will agree hanzo is badass U_U
I don't know what the notion of villain has to do with anything. We're talking about the strength of ninjas and your behavior(whether good or villain) has nothing to do with this. Kakuzu is a villain and went against Hashirama. I guess he is stronger than Tobirama as well?
The fact Tobirama is supposedly hailed as the best shinobi when you know that Madara is stronger already makes this hype wrong. Infact the simple fact of saying he is the best shinobi with his brother is already wrong since Hashirama himself is stronger than his brother. The correct statement would have been one of the best, but yet this hype says it as if they were equal, something which is obviously wrong
Highly wrong. Madara doesn't count as the best shinobi of konoha, because he isn't an konoha shinobi.. he went against the village, which retard would hail the traitor as the best shinobi? Use some common sense, instead of trying to make some way putting Minato above others.
Highly wrong. Madara doesn't count as the best shinobi of konoha, because he isn't an konoha shinobi.. he went against the village, which retard would hail the traitor as the best shinobi? Use some common sense, instead of trying to make some way putting Minato above others.
*Sigh* Twisting a manga statement now? Did he say best shinobi of Konoha? No. He said Best shinobi, that's all. The day you'll stop wanking the Senjus everywhere they are, maybe you'll be a step ahead in seeing the actual light that put Minato above Tobirama or Hiruzen in this manga. Until then, i just have pity of you in thinking this way
How do you know the Hokages are faster? Where in the Manga suggest this? Again you have no manga nor databook proof to solidify your accusations. Hanzo in his Prime and out of his prime was able to match speed with Mifune on every occasion:
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The first time when in prime he bested Mifune in prime, the second time he only lost because his sword was dull. All in all they were even. Its a reason besides the edo strike mifune never laid a single blow or strike on Hanzo. Mifune a ninja who can strike any ninja in a instant from the opening of the hands about to form hand seals. And yet Hanzou was able to switch from trying to use ninjutsu to defending easily no difficulty! Not even sasuke, itachi, kakashi can strike in any gap (besides the long as water dragon seal) that ninjutsu creates. Hanzou defending from a would be instant attack is beyond amazing reaction speed. Hanzou Tieing/matching Mifune in a final strike (win or lose) is an amazing speed feat. Hanzo using the Body flicker means he is super fast just like minato. Minato isnt always fast for ever. He (just like hanzou or any speed demon) has to use the Body flicker Tech.
You never fail to amuse me. You keep brining up Shunshin yet you repetitively ignore Minato's FTG. I see no reason to why I should even bothering with you when you have such a prejudice view and only perceive and comprehend what you want to support your stance.
I do not have to prove that Tobirama and Minato are fast. YOU have to prove that Mifune and Hanzo are fast, otherwise your point doesn't concern me. Manga has repetitively portrayed Tobirama's very fast, an Minato is faster. Manga has portrayed Minato as faster, meaning it isn't hype, hence why Minato reached to the battlefield long before Tobirama. Hanzo matching a speed of someone featless in regards to speed is nothing to call home about.. Mifune can do it, Minato can do it better. Minato blitzes with Shunshin and attacks with Kunai, Hanzo supposedly stops, too bad by that time Minato would already have teleported behind Hanzo and killed him. When was this nonsense about not being able to strike in a gap brought up? I am sure if Sasuke were to use Shunshin he could easily reperform this feat, potentially in a better manner. You're assumption that standing position in one panel leading to a different position in another manner meaning instantaneous is rather wistful. Are you saying Sasuke is just as fast? [
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From mid-close range he couldn't even blitz Obito.
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Him about to throw a ton of kunais isnt instant.
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He was running at full speed (not body flicker speed, learn the difference), and still didnt make it to obito. Him finally throwing the Kunais aren't fast at all.
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is when he is about to throw 6 kunais at once, next we have him throwing them
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as you can see it isnt instant and the kunais are thrown at regular fast speed. Any above average ninja can react to it easily.
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he says he is fianlly coming (he likes to talk, but ok),
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is when he tries to strike after "Blitzing" a standard-not moving Obito. Unless the ninja is marked, him Blitzing with FTG is predictable and is abled to be countered.
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is when Bee countered him before he could strike His Brother with a FTG Blitz. Hanzou has super reflexes to counter any would be FTG strike just like Bee (and keep in mind, bee was far away). FTG Blitz isn't Surprising Hanzou EVER unless he is marked (like obito)! Body flicker blitz is countered with Hanzous own Body Flicker Blitz.
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he couldn't save naruto with his "Blitz" speed. Why is that? He is an edo with 2 legs and Kyubi chakra. No excuse!
Those scans don't portray Minato's shunshin, speed, thus I see no reason in them. That is also as shadow clone and shadow clones have shown to be weaker in every aspect in comparison to the original user. [
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] Original Minato on Bunta--[
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] Kage Bunshin shun shins away before--[
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] He is asked to get away, meaning it was a Kage Bunshin as Minato uses Shunshin--[
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] Kage Bunshin isn't there but Minato is still on Bunta, further proving it was a clones--[
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] Minato says he will summon the original, implying he will Summon the real Mianto there to use the FTG+Bunshin conjunction jutsu. Evident he was a Kage Bunshin, Kage Bunshin's are weaker than the original in regards to skills. Your argument doesn't hold as this was a weakened version of Minato (Kage Bunshin).Minato has done a decent Shunshin up to now, and has shown to be beyond anyone's in the entire manga. A few decent shunshin feats [
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] He did have intent to kill, he simply had a two way check mate since he couldn't protect both at once. Nothing is refuting that it had intent to kill, and the kunai swing was portrayed as fast and intending. Stop making two page difference positions count, otherwise TenTen will soon be faster than anyone but Ay as well by your logic.
How is that scan disproving FTG isn't fast in any way? He's throwing it for heaven's sake, stop perceiving things the way you want to perceive them to make a half assed argument instead of none. Assumption anyone can. The distance Minato threw his Kunai's for the four rd yang formation proves his brute strength. The power used to throw the kunai's are proportional to the speed they travel at, and considering the distance he threw those Kunai's, I am leaning towards very fast.. On the other hand, you will likely disagree since you will perceive it the way you want it to be. Showing me proof of Obito reacting to Minato? hahaha Juubito was capable of reacting to amateratsu with ease, lets not get ahead of ourselves here.. I have already proven Bee has superior reaction speed, stop comparing the two. Moreover, unless you are willing to say Bee is able to rect to the speed of light, you're argument doesn't hold. Proof is still needed to be provided to demonstrate Hanzo can counter FTG that isn't even coming at him. He won't waste time deflecting something that isn't attacking him when he has no intel. Hanzo's Shunshin is featless. Prove to me why Hanzo would react to Kunai's that aren't aimed at him when he has no intel of FTG.
[QUOTEI didn't ask what you are stating. Im asking you to show a ninja getting blitz by basic minato speed. Like Raikage, rock lee, gai, Mifune, Sasuke, itachi etc etc. All of his Deadly Blows are FTG Related, aka Kunai related. Unless you show me a ninja getting blitz by basic minato speed STFU.[/QUOTE]
Still waiting for proof of Hanzo's reaction speed, Mifune's speed, Hanzo's movement speed, Mifune's swipe speed, Hanzo's hand seal speed. You can't provide any of these clearly can you? I have shown you showing me one scan to the next doesn't work, as Sasuke killed many samurai's from one panel to the next, and following your logic, this would imply Sasuke is omnipresent.
Mifune striking sasuke wasn't Mifune's "IAI" tech that allows him to move super fast (master of it). Not the same nor close to it being the same. The sasuke encounter wasnt even a serious point. And sasuke having the sharingan helps allot. Just because sasuke had a battle previous doesnt mean his Fighting skills went down, don't know why you are trying to down play sasuke for nothing. And like i said basic Bee was able to react to minato and his FTg 2 times perfectly no difficulty. So does that mean Bee is faster then Minato??? See what i did there? lmao
I didn't claim it was... I was simply referring to his swipe speed, which seemed like nothing as Sasuke was upside down and blocked it effortlessly after his body was damaged and heavily strained via Susano [
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]. So? Sasuke had sharingan against Bee too and he was surprised many times as one can see from his gestures..
Hype on FTg doesnt mean anything. Ofc Minato is faster then Aye using FTG, ofc Minato's FTG is better then Tobirama's. Whats your point??? That isnt foot speed. When Aye went full speed towards Minato, minato had to use
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becuase he was too slow to compete with regular foot speed. Then you try to show Tobirama grabbing the black ball as if you knew were the clone was initially. The clone could of been extra close for all we know. And btw,this just shows how slow minato was that he couldnt grab it in time. lmmfao hahahahahahahah Good job!
Whoever said foot speed is the thing that Minato solely relies on? FTG is a factor in his fights and that is all that matters. What hype of FTG? Minato was capable of reacting and throwing a FTG kunai, teleport to a FTG on the tree, and teleport back nearly instantaneously. Need I say more? His FTG is insane, especially when supported with his reaction speed. What if Ay v2 is too fast for Minato? That doesn't imply anything to your case. Moreover, we don't know if Minato could've dodged or not, it simply showed that Minato's FTG was more valuable to counter as he would appear right next to him. That doesn't show anything regarding Minato's speed. Minato has no hand/arm and was standing still were he was about to grab the omnyoudon [
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]. Tobirama shunshin'd, it doesn't require much of a brain to realise Tobirama would catch it before Minato..
I pulled Feats from the manga kiddo, not BS From the OBD. Hanzo has never been hit by mifune except when his sword was dull. He defeated a master Kenjutsu user at his own game when he was in his prime. He
Those aren't feats, those were instances from one panel to the next, in which we know nothing of the opponents speed, reaction speed, and hand seal speed to even begin providing Mifune feats. I was trying to show you OBD's opinion is just as yours, they both use assumption to back up their claims. Prime Hanzo is fearless, so don't being this bullshit.
You still don't get it. By hanzo breathing (inhale, exhale) near by ppl would be Intoxicated. "NEARBY PPL", They do not have to breathe it, they simple have to be 'NEARBY" to get poisoned!
Do you now know the definition??????? And with Hanzo's reaction speed being able to defend at a split second, he easily defends against minato, Minato gets poisoned, fights over! Simple! Are you saying minato would know to not get close at all??? Your strategy is to blitz in some way or fashion. LMAO he gets poison, fight over! What do you not get???
Being exposed to a tad bit of intoxication doesn't equal numbness. Minato may begin experiencing pain as Mifune did over a long and worthy fight. He was supposedly supposed to begin feeling numbness in time, not instantly. Nothing is suggesting the strength of the poison is enough to kill quickly. Hanzo said it takes two days for one to die [
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]. And that was after Hanzo sliced Mifune's head with his Scythe which is consistent of the same poison. Meaning Mifune would die 2 days after having poison injected directly into them. Furthermore, Hanzo said he will take off his mask if the opponent is unworthy, and keep his mask if the opponent is worthy, so nothing is inferring he will keep his mask off [
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]. By that time Mifune was still not numb, he was simply in pain. This argument doesn't hold anymore.
In your head you believe hanzou will stay still and let mianto have his way doing what ever he wants with no resistance! lmao that is why I cannot take you serious. Hanzou is not stupid nor will he allow any ninja to get the best of him just standing in one spot the entire time. Hanzou has a Explosive tech which appears where ever he wants it to appear, Mianto kunais that are scattered will all blow up once hanzou see what minato can do with them. And Kunai thrown at hanzou is Deflected and Blown up by his explosive kunais. Period! What is Minato counter to Exploding Kunai's hitting his own?
For someone to say Minato wins No diff you sure are pulling out all the stops to even stand a chance. lmao Minato gets poisoned the moment he gets close, or Ibuse ends it off bat since he can poison a large area almost instantly. Whether you breathe it or not, you lose!
Feelings are mutual.. Hanzo has no intel, so stupid or not he won't realise a Kunai allows a person to teleport. Stupid or not he won't think that even after Minato can teleport to the kunai, he can teleport within a range of the kunai of at least 5 meters. LOL. The explosive attack used on Nagato was a summoning of explosive tags. It doesn't appear 'wherever' it simply goes in a linear fashion until it reaches the destination Hanzo wants it to via his chakra. [
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] Bottom left panel. It is impossible to destroy steal or iron in an explosion. It is possible to melt them, and according to my agenda even white fire wouldn't melt it, and Hanzo has red fire. Your argument doesn't hold as explosions cannot break objects like metal since they don't carry the instant impact to do so. Unless of course, a nuclear bomb. Too bad explosive kunai's are such low scale explosive techniques.. Your argument is invalid. FTG kunai is heavier, the explosive Kunai will be deflected. The Explosive Kunai won't explode on impact with the FTG kunai, it explodes once the paper bomb detonates, which is long after it's been deflected. Ibuse isn't being summoned in time. If he is, Minato's Kunai is already next to Hanzo, where Minato resumes to teleport within FTG radius, right behind Hanzo, and kill him with a stab/mark him/contract release him/odama sized rasengan him.
And please.. I said low diff. not no diff.
. Naruto has more potential than Minato.. we also know that. Sasuke is a better genius than Minato we already know that. Shikamaru is smarter than Minato we already know this.. Picking things out doesn't help your resolve.
