Minato vs genjutsu

[Lorizle]

Please read all the way through to the end! If you don't, then don't bother commenting Thank you.

I am a not a fan of either Minato nor Itachi but I am new to the base and as such have been looking at previous threads to try and get a taste of exactly what you guys talk about and also how you structure your arguments (interesting stuff)

In the process of doing this I came across an absolute WAR between Itachi fans and Minato fans. Both sides had and have credible points as to why they think that their character would win, however I came across (what I see to be) a flaw in the Itachi fans argument. Minato Vs Genjutsu

To be honest I found (what I find to be flaws) in both parties arguments but I am focusing on this one because it seems to be the main focus in the Itachi vs Minato discussion.

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Minato fans highlight his speed and wrongly claim that he cannot be affected by a genjutsu. But as the Itachi fans rightly suggested, No one is impervious to a genjutsu not even if that person is a genjutsu user themselves. But what of Minato's speed? is it then made obsolete?

Does anyone remember Sasuke's fight with the Raikage at the Kage meet up? In this fight, Sasuke couldn't use his genjutsu on the Raikage! not because it wouldn't affect him, but simply because his sharingan couldn't keep up with the Raikage's speed.

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The point I'm trying to make is that if the sharingan can't keep up with the speed of the opponent then they cannot be trapped in a genjutsu. and this isn't just my opinion! If you read all of the chapter that I just referred to, you will see that Sasuke already trapped someone in a genjutsu, so if he could have, why wouldn't he also trap the Raikage in a genjutsu?

I know that some people will say that it was the shrowed that protected the Raikage but no. Sasuke even used his Chidori to get through that shrowed in this episode. The main purpose of the shrowed is to increase his speed. And all that the shrowed is, is his lightning chakra flowing over his body (which wouldn't prevent a genjutsu - because it affects the mind and sensory system).

Now that that's done, the next point. Minato is faster than the Raikage. Heck he is even faster than Tobi, who uses a much better and much faster version of Space Time Tech.

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So we establish the fact that Minato is faster than A. Add the fact that he has knowledge of the Uchiha clan and their techniques. I wouldn't count him out of a fight against Itachi or indeed any other Uchiha. Especially if the main element of the Uchiha argument is that he could and would put Minato in a genjutsu from the start!? smh

I would like to add that my favourite character is Shikamaru. I am not taking sides, because Itachi is an incredible ninja who (in my eyes) could POWNED just about any character in the Naruto world with his skill level and also his ability to formulate battle startegies very quickly whilst in battles, not to mention find weaknesses in his opponents abilities and ninjutsu.

I don't really like or approve of the fact that people are debating on who would win if these two fight because they never have and they never will. But after reading a few threads on the topic I felt that this needed to be mentioned and/or elaborated on.

Please post sensible replies and not hate messages, as I have already stated, I am not taking anyone's side. Just mentioning something that I noticed. Thank you in advance

P.S. also, sorry about the essay^, didn't think it would be this long when I started typing xD

 

[Dantee]

So what you're saying is Minato is to fast to be put under genjutsu? Ok :sy:


*Leaves Thread*

 

[Lorizle]

I think I already said read all the way through or do not comment?!

 

[Gingka Uzumaki]

I didn't read shit.
Minato can obviously be put under Gen, but who says he can't?

 

[Lilt]

Minato isn't faster than A. Hiraishin is faster than A.

 

[Dantee]

I think I already said read all the way through or do not comment?!

Dude I read everything but the main point you're trying to get across is that..........

Spoiler

BAM-Minato is to fast to be put under genjutsu by Itachi-BAM

Or am i wrong?

 

[Lorizle]

Dude I read everything but the main point you're trying to get across is that..........

Spoiler

BAM-Minato is to fast to be put under genjutsu by Itachi-BAM

Or am i wrong?

That is only a part of what I'm saying here. In my opinion the Itachi fans originally WON this debate hands down, because of the genjutsu card. Itachi could and probably would put him in a genjutsu hence the second point *We will never know* however the fact that even if it was for a short space of time Minato potentially could have put off the effects of a genjutsu this makes the outcome of the battle even more vague and unpredictable.

 

[Lorizle]

Minato isn't faster than A. Hiraishin is faster than A.

The only reply you'll get to this are these words<--

 

[Better]

Base Minato is as fast as V1 Raikage in estimations

but what you didn't acknowledge is how minato would know about Itachi MS abilities?

 

[Finn]

it all depends whether he knows about tsukyomi or not

 

[Lorizle]

Base Minato is as fast as V1 Raikage in estimations

but what you didn't acknowledge is how minato would know about Itachi MS abilities?

Well he knew about Madara right? And through Hashirama, most shinobi know about the sharingan up to the MS level :/ but i guess, if you include the fact that each MS is unique he most likely wouldn't know about tsukyomi. Never less Minato was aware of who Madara was when he fought with Tobi. Yet he he attacked him head on without fear of MS?! anyway this is starting to sound like one of 'those' threads so let me just remind y'all I aint taking sides P.S. they could have both killed each other<-maybe I should have made a thread like this lol

 

[Better]

Well he knew about Madara right? And through Hashirama, most shinobi know about the sharingan up to the MS level :/ but i guess, if you include the fact that each MS is unique he most likely wouldn't know about tsukyomi. Never less Minato was aware of who Madara was when he fought with Tobi. Yet he he attacked him head on without fear of MS?! anyway this is starting to sound like one of 'those' threads so let me just remind y'all I aint taking sides P.S. they could have both killed each other<-maybe I should have made a thread like this lol

ehh he doesn't know about tskuyomi and amaterasu

he thought tobi was madara and he still looked him straight in the eyes, if that were itachi he probably would've died

 

[home]

i reckon minato is about as fast as v2 A

 

[Lorizle]

ehh he doesn't know about tskuyomi and amaterasu

he thought tobi was madara and he still looked him straight in the eyes, if that were itachi he probably would've died

Of course he doesn't know about that stuff. At the time period in which he fought with Tobi Itachi was still a kid. Skilled but still a kid, so those techniques weren't around etc.. and Tobi didn't use them for him to find out about it either. But when Kakashi fought Itachi, he knew about tskuyomi, didn't he? So obviously because of his exploits after joining the akatsuki, his abilities were known by quite a few shinobi's. Do you really think that this knowledge would some how elude an Hokage? So in essence Minato would have at least some knowledge of what Itachi is capable of. Or do you disagree with this logic?

 

[Better]

Of course he doesn't know about that stuff. At the time period in which he fought with Tobi Itachi was still a kid. Skilled but still a kid, so those techniques weren't around etc.. and Tobi didn't use them for him to find out about it either. But when Kakashi fought Itachi, he knew about tskuyomi, didn't he? So obviously because of his exploits after joining the akatsuki, his abilities were known by quite a few shinobi's. Do you really think that this knowledge would some how elude an Hokage? So in essence Minato would have at least some knowledge of what Itachi is capable of. Or do you disagree with this logic?

you just said itachi was a kid when minato died........

he wouldn't have knowledge of his abilities

and my theory is kakashi read the stone thingy of the uchiha clan or maybe he just knew not to look into the eyes of an uchiha

 

[Lorizle]

you just said itachi was a kid when minato died........

he wouldn't have knowledge of his abilities

and my theory is kakashi read the stone thingy of the uchiha clan or maybe he just knew not to look into the eyes of an uchiha

This is why I stated in my thread entry that a battle between these two was never going to happen. But the point I was stating was, hypothetically speaking (as that is what we're doing here) Minato wouldn't have been completely ineffective if he was around and they had a fight.

Anyway, back on topic. If they were going to fight (hypothetically) Minato would have to be alive no? We already know that he cannot be EDO summoned because his Soul is with the Death God etc... So the only way they could fight is if he were still alive to begin with, agreed?

He would have intel on Itachi, without question.

As to Kakashi reading the stone tablets. That is a possibility but that has yet to be shown in the manga therefore it is not a factually, but more opinion based theory you have there. Very plausible though