[VS] Minato (Reincarnated) VS The Other 3 hokage's
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1. No, large scale Mokuton is in no way being removed by sheer power. We have seen that the
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among other Mokuton would create a mass scale landscape changing effect [
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]. This not only counters any FTG Kunai's on the ground, but also puts Minato in a much weaker state of mind/leaves him vulnerable due to the pollen.2. Did you juts say 3 times? [
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] More like 10 times vertically and a 100 if we assume relative horizontal and vertical length. FTG Kunai's are cleared of easily. ._.3. Again, previously spread FTG's are unviable. Hashirama can use his Mukoton Bunshin to travel through his trees in case there are some FTG Kunai's he no longer wants around.
4. Again, Kunai's aren't as useful as you think they are against Hashirama since he can clear them with ease. Adding Tobirama makes this a much, much easier job. Rashomon and Hobi will be used time and time again in order to block the attack, assuming the Wood Dragon was not already used and the Kunai's not already destroyed. Something to note is that Hashirama choses how much he hands his Mukoton bunshin's chakra, he might as well give them a small amount of chakra, make many, have them take the kunai's that are present and go within the Mokuton so that they are absolutely unviable. One should also note that if the Kunai's had been cleared, a simple Tori Gate would keep Minato long enough in his place to create the wood dragon.
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correction, mountain busters+instant teportation
hashirama method involves changing the trajectory of a fired bijuudama using mokuton constructs which is ineffective against this combo as I have tried explaining here
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1- You have to remember that the scale of the flower tree world showed on that scan was compared to humans who are dwarfs compared to Kyubi, so while it looks that big compared to humans, it's actually small compared to entities like Kyubi or PS. We barely even see them here [
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] Any Bijudama or Roar from Kyubi will destroy that as easy if not easier than Madara did in one swing far less destructive than Kyubi's Bijudamas. And no, changing the landscape with Mokutons won't change a thing concerning FTG. It's not like the markings would disappear. The Mokuton techniques may manage to change their initial positions, but would accomplish nothing much considering Minato could still use them2- I calculated its size already here(without the hands/tails) and it's indeed 3times bigger [
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]3- And again i don't see the point. It will change their positions on the battlefield, but won't stop Minato to use them. Minato has more than 100kunais at his disposal. You really think Hashirama would take his time to check and destroy any one of them? He would even risk to be killed by a Hiraishin attack if he gets too close. The clones are fodders to Bijudamas anyway
4- And again, what you say make no sense. Landscaping won't destroy the kunais. They will only make them change from their initial position(in case Hashirama's wood is used in their direction that's it). Minato could still use them. Not to mention that the kunais themselves aren't that relevant. Only the markings are. Besides, since they are related to him, he can collect and throw them back. Landscaping is far from an issue. He will never destroy every single kunais. Your description is near from a fanfiction. Any redirected Bijudamas and Hashirama can't protect himself since he would never know their directions
1. Indeed, but you still seem to assume shockwaves or hands can take out that forest when it most definitely cannot. It would be capable of doing it if Hashirama merely watched it go at it while he did not do anything. However, that is clearly not the case. What can it even do when Hashirama uses Tori gates and Hotei hands [
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]. That was the 100% kyuubi which is many times the size of 50% kyuubi, as shown when the paws where noticeably dwarfed, rather than halved. Biju Damas would destroy the landscape in addition to Minato's very own FTG Kunai's. I'd say it isn't as useful in this match up since the kunai's themselves are being destroyed. And yes, I failed to convey my point the way I meant, doesn't really matter since SM Hashirama solos.2. Yes, measuring the Kyuubi on a horizontal axis and then measuring the Buddha on a vertical axis. More ideal results for your argument pls. Anyways, I fail to see the relevance of that argument if that was your initial implication. The reach of the Buddha is still far beyond Minato's 50% Kyuubi which is midget like. Tobirama is still present in this fight, you make it seem as if he is a non-factor when he most definitely isn't. Minato going far away doesn't imply do too much. His Mukoton bunshins still are present and can use Hashirama's full arsenal. Tobirama is still present and can aid the clones after marking them. They are in fact useful in this match.
3. 100 kunai's at his disposal? You trolling? The most he's ever shown was 25 against Ay (plus or minus 1). I don't see why he cannot create 25 Mokuton Bunshins to rid of them when he was capable of creating around 6 Mokuton Bunshin whilst inside the barrier. Tobirama's max was 2 clones, even though Kakashi could create 100's of clones to help Zabuza, despite the fact his chakra is on much lower scale than Tobirama's. This alone shows how much the barrier 'nerfed' his chakra levels. Saying Hashirama cannot make 25 Mukoton Bunshin with the utmost ease would be ridiculous, he himself said his chakra levels are comparable to Naruto's using the Kyuubi's chakra. There is no need for Hashirama himself to go, his clones do it all while he enters into SM.
Anyways, I don't feel like playing this game with you Bogard, because by your standard Minato can never lose. Once he has entered SM there is literally no way for Minato to win, I don't see what you're on about ._. It's been proven, in the manga, that 100% kyuubi's many TBB's empowered by Yasaka Magatama's were still incapable of putting a halt on the Shinsu senju [
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]. You saying Minato with 50% Kyuubi can do it because of your laughable pixel scalings, which frankly don't mean anything in front of a situation which already happened, is ridiculous. One touch and 50% Kyuubi goes to sleep [
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] all the Kunai's that were placed get destroyed in the attack of the Shinsu Senju's hands.
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page shows the area before Shinsu senju attacks, whereas
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one shows the damage it causes after it does. Kunai's are easily destroyed, Kyuubi can be put to sleep instantly. Kyuubi at 50% isn't as strong as Kyuubi at 100% and PS's help, yet it failed to stop Shinsu senju. Say whatever you want to say, Shinsu senju wins going by the manga, your pixel scaling doesn't matter considering the fact that Kishi doesn't make this manga with consistency in every chapter merely so people on forums can debate these matters logically. I will never understand how when you want to go by manga portrayal or hype, you will ignore all feats and do such, but when you want to go by feats and ignore all ocurrences in the manga, you will do such. Sounds like a double standard to me. 
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narutorikudoumode
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God I hate minato fanboys, especially those who make up the worst possible scenario for him and still believes that he has some way of winning. Most of the people on this thread really thinks minato can defeat 3 hokages at once? And they call Tobirama and Hiruzen non factors just because they believe he is stronger than them. Sigh..
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hashirama is the only factor. Minato might probably be able to be him high diff, but he's so broken it's not really likely. Anyway, if minato takes out hashi, he slaughters the rest.
Denial is the most common thing on this site. Alive, base minato, was already claimed more powerful than hiruzen and tobirama. And you think these two are a factor against him while boosted by the massive power of BM? Lol you've got to be kidding.
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Like I said in my last post, this post that I'm quoting shows you how idiotic people on the base really are..
lol. How about you tell us how they're a factor, genius? You don't even know what anyone in this fight is capable of.
Go see the difference between base naruto and BM naruto. Pro Tip: There's a massive difference.
Now, go see just how strong base minato already is. Pro Tip: He's never been hit in the manga.
Now, go add the massive boost of BM onto minato and there you have what he's capable of. Only a fool believes tobirama(who's inferior to base minato in literally everyway but ET) and hiruzen are factors in this fight. You're most likely one of those who'd believe these two are a factor in a battle against Hashi and madara. All these two will be doing is breaking hashi's focus and leaving him to worry about not killing them in the crossfire.
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I could go on and on about how you are wrong but if you have any question then ask. But make sure you're more specific. U_U
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Guys we r talking about Reincarnated Minato who can only be sealed..!!!!
The other 3 hokage's don't have any experience in sealing tecks.. accept hiruzen knowing RD seal which can be easily evaded/dodged by minato so .... now answer..!!!
The other 3 hokage's don't have any experience in sealing tecks.. accept hiruzen knowing RD seal which can be easily evaded/dodged by minato so .... now answer..!!!
1- His gates were casually destroyed by an uncontrolled Jubito's chakra arms when his controlled chakra arms were shown to be on par in terms of strength with BM Minato's [1. Indeed, but you still seem to assume shockwaves or hands can take out that forest when it most definitely cannot. It would be capable of doing it if Hashirama merely watched it go at it while he did not do anything. However, that is clearly not the case. What can it even do when Hashirama uses Tori gates and Hotei hands [You must be registered for see links]. That was the 100% kyuubi which is many times the size of 50% kyuubi, as shown when the paws where noticeably dwarfed, rather than halved. Biju Damas would destroy the landscape in addition to Minato's very own FTG Kunai's. I'd say it isn't as useful in this match up since the kunai's themselves are being destroyed. And yes, I failed to convey my point the way I meant, doesn't really matter since SM Hashirama solos.
2. Yes, measuring the Kyuubi on a horizontal axis and then measuring the Buddha on a vertical axis. More ideal results for your argument pls. Anyways, I fail to see the relevance of that argument if that was your initial implication. The reach of the Buddha is still far beyond Minato's 50% Kyuubi which is midget like. Tobirama is still present in this fight, you make it seem as if he is a non-factor when he most definitely isn't. Minato going far away doesn't imply do too much. His Mukoton bunshins still are present and can use Hashirama's full arsenal. Tobirama is still present and can aid the clones after marking them. They are in fact useful in this match.
3. 100 kunai's at his disposal? You trolling? The most he's ever shown was 25 against Ay (plus or minus 1). I don't see why he cannot create 25 Mokuton Bunshins to rid of them when he was capable of creating around 6 Mokuton Bunshin whilst inside the barrier. Tobirama's max was 2 clones, even though Kakashi could create 100's of clones to help Zabuza, despite the fact his chakra is on much lower scale than Tobirama's. This alone shows how much the barrier 'nerfed' his chakra levels. Saying Hashirama cannot make 25 Mukoton Bunshin with the utmost ease would be ridiculous, he himself said his chakra levels are comparable to Naruto's using the Kyuubi's chakra. There is no need for Hashirama himself to go, his clones do it all while he enters into SM.
Anyways, I don't feel like playing this game with you Bogard, because by your standard Minato can never lose. Once he has entered SM there is literally no way for Minato to win, I don't see what you're on about ._. It's been proven, in the manga, that 100% kyuubi's many TBB's empowered by Yasaka Magatama's were still incapable of putting a halt on the Shinsu senju [You must be registered for see links]. You saying Minato with 50% Kyuubi can do it because of your laughable pixel scalings, which frankly don't mean anything in front of a situation which already happened, is ridiculous. One touch and 50% Kyuubi goes to sleep [You must be registered for see links] all the Kunai's that were placed get destroyed in the attack of the Shinsu Senju's hands.You must be registered for see linkspage shows the area before Shinsu senju attacks, whereasYou must be registered for see linksone shows the damage it causes after it does. Kunai's are easily destroyed, Kyuubi can be put to sleep instantly. Kyuubi at 50% isn't as strong as Kyuubi at 100% and PS's help, yet it failed to stop Shinsu senju. Say whatever you want to say, Shinsu senju wins going by the manga, your pixel scaling doesn't matter considering the fact that Kishi doesn't make this manga with consistency in every chapter merely so people on forums can debate these matters logically. I will never understand how when you want to go by manga portrayal or hype, you will ignore all feats and do such, but when you want to go by feats and ignore all ocurrences in the manga, you will do such. Sounds like a double standard to me.
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]. They aren't accomplishing anything. I also think you're severly underestimating the strength of a perfect Jinchuriki of the Kyubi. We've been said in this manga plenty of times that a Jinchuriki(let alone perfect one) is stronger than the Biju himself because he is able to use maximize its power perfectly, so a BM Minato for example would be vastly stronger than 100% Kyubi, yet his shockwaves were strong enough to destroy villages like Konoha. Minor mokuton attacks aren't helping here. And i didn't even pointed out the fact he is a teleporter, so any restricting techniques are useless2- They are on the same plane area, so it's possible. Besides, i'm not going to count Tobirama or Hiruzen in my argumentation yet because you seem to think Hashirama can solo, so it's better for me to prove you why i think BM Minato is stronger first, before explaining later why i believe Tobirama and Hiruzen would be non-factors
Either way, regardless of what you thinking concerning my scaling, i think this picture is better than thousand words
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3- Well firstly you must ask the person you're debating against reasons behind his statements first before accusing him of trolling. It's like the 3 times bigger thing i mentioned in which you were doubting me, yet i showed proof. Why i say Minato has more than 100 kunais? It's because, one of his bag alone contains roughly 30 FTG kunais
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And notice only the ones showed on panel are actually counted there, so it can be more. And he had 2 bags against Ay(bottom panel) [
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]So just at the time, he had roughly 60 kunais at his disposal. Yet notice on this page that we actually see he has plenty of prepared bags already [
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]. You can see 4 of them on panel, but judging by the length of the shelf, it's at the very least the double, so 8 times a bag containing 30 kunais each and you have 240 kunais at least in total. The previous 100 rate on my part was actually a minor estimation if anything. Those kunais are man-made, so it's not like he can't prepare as much as he wants. It's for that reason i always find the argument about Minato running out of kunais laughable in debates
As for your 100 % Kyubi TBB you mention, like i've said above
And i will post again this picture hoping it will make you realise something
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And this move is spamable
Like i've said, BM Minato isn't forced to go in contact when he has long range attacks that Hashirama's golem or the Buddha lacks and with space-time TBB, he has no way to catch them in time, ending up getting destroyed
As for the portrayal thing, actually even by portrayal it's unclear who is stronger between Hashirama and BM Minato because at the start of the war Minato couldn't use BM and by the time he could use BM, he already lost an arm, so Hashirama was portrayed to be the stronger one yes, but always against an already handicaped Minato. We never got the chance to see BM Minato at his absolute strongest
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