Excuse me, the're too many posts to answer here, but from what I've read in yours there's nothing that hasn't been written by others, and I've answered it all already.
okay sis you are so creative thinker, i give you that
but we people follow manga and discuss misconceptions
and yaa i've no time for psychology time :'(
and i can't understand the connection, i understand simple math, and i tried to make you understand
you should have posted this creative thinking of urs as fanfiction
I'm not sure If you know it or now, but manga is creative thing itself, and you can't use maths to predict author's thinking and logic That's the problem of the majority of people who've agressively tried to convince me my hypothesis being wrong, not trying to look at the plot from the point of creator, not someone who can only put 2+2 together, not knowing that it not always equals 4
Therefore I quit this thread, being satisfied with amount of opinions given to my thoughts. Thank you everyone who bothered to read it and think about it, and I wish everyone who's bashed it without trying to deepen into it. Have a nice day everyone! Cheer.
I'm not sure If you know it or now, but manga is creative thing itself, and you can't use maths to predict author's thinking and logic That's the problem of the majority of people who've agressively tried to convince me my hypothesis being wrong, not trying to look at the plot from the point of creator, not someone who can only put 2+2 together, not knowing that it not always equals 4
Therefore I quit this thread, being satisfied with amount of opinions given to my thoughts. Thank you everyone who bothered to read it and think about it, and I wish everyone who's bashed it without trying to deepen into it. Have a nice day everyone! Cheer.
Excuse me, the're too many posts to answer here, but from what I've read in yours there's nothing that hasn't been written by others, and I've answered it all already.
I'm not sure If you know it or now, but manga is creative thing itself, and you can't use maths to predict author's thinking and logic That's the problem of the majority of people who've agressively tried to convince me my hypothesis being wrong, not trying to look at the plot from the point of creator, not someone who can only put 2+2 together, not knowing that it not always equals 4
Therefore I quit this thread, being satisfied with amount of opinions given to my thoughts. Thank you everyone who bothered to read it and think about it, and I wish everyone who's bashed it without trying to deepen into it. Have a nice day everyone! Cheer.
We're not trying to bash your theory and we are not just throwing around baseless opinions. I fully read and thought about your theory, but the manga itself has too much evidence contrary to your theory (as has already been presented by others).
There's not much you can do about that, so I agree that quitting is indeed your best option.
Don't despair though, keep those wheels spinning and come back with a better theory!
Minata wasn't a jinchuriki, because he only had some chakra of the kyuubi, is like Ginkaku & Kinkaku, they both have chakra of the kyuubi but they weren't considered it because they didn't had the source itself(the kyuubi) inside of them.
I see your point but I can't say I agree. You made some valid points and I would like to hear more. Until I hear more and make an informed decision I think I will stick with kushina being the jinchuuriki before naruto
im wondering now would Naruto and Minato both becoming one with Kurama's chakra, would they sort of fuse or something.
That could explain why Minato uses the Chakra for himself and not give it to Naruto yet. Although they are at war and fighting the enemy right now. Who knows really whats going on.
Im wondering if it could be something like a seal or something that would let Naruto be inside of Kurama this time as opposed to Kurama being inside of Naruto.
Naruto has turned Kurama's chakra into his own, so I wonder if he could control Kurama from the inside of him now.. kinda like Uchiha & Susano'o.. since they are both chakra afterall.
chakra :kurama / susano'o
or maybe this is more clues to Minato's lineage... focusing on Tsunade, Tobirama, Dan, or even Jiraiya.
I don't think minato ever was the jink of the kyubi.
mito uzumaki was the first jink of the Kyubi, this is said in manga chapter 500 page 5 top panel (sorry, I don't know how to copy mange pages into webposts)
a couple of pages back on chapter 500 page 2 on the left pannel of the middle line kushina herself states that she was chosen as the second jink.
on page 6 of that chapter we even see the scene of mito comforting kushina before the transfer of kurama took place.
kushina remained the host to kurama until obito stole kurama. normally kishina would have died right away but she didn't because of the life force of the uzumaki, but she would die eventually. obito says this on chapter 501 page 11, bottom right panel, clearly stating "even wrenching a tailed beast out of your body didn't kill you right away" and it's clear she is dying from this condition from what she says in chapter 503 page 14 "I'll drag the nine tails back and die with it inside me" making a remark about the little bit of chakra she has left. and as we know, if you run out of chakra you die.
since minato sealed the Kyubi in naruto with his dying breath I don't see a point in time where he can become it's jink? also he preforms the dead demon seal, a sealing technique only a non jink can use according to his on claims on chapter 503 page 17.
on the same page he also mentions he can only seal half of the kyubi's POWER. on page 6 of chapter 504 we actually see him completing the seal. he even mentions that it's a heavy chakra on one of the bottom panels of that page. and if you look closely at the top panel of that page and compare it to naruto's battle with kurama on page 10 of chapter 499 you can see the resemblence. it's clear minato is only extracting chakra here. even the effect on kurama is similar, he shrunk in both occasions.
and naruto was capable of going into his chakra mode right after that.
so it should be no surprise that minato is capable of the same thing.
So many people are thinking that Minato's Kyuubi/Bijuu mode is an asspull but if we look back at the evidence it actually makes perfect sense and supports the long held theory that he might be related to the Senju.
First let's take a look at the conversation that Jiraiya had with the key to Naruto's Seal.
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In this conversation Jiraiya is perplexed as to why someone would seal something as dangerous and wild as the kyuubi into their own child. He knows that Minato must have had a very specific reason for doing this he just doesn't know what it is.
Unsurprisingly, when Naruto meet's Minato during the pain fight he asks the exact same question. Why would you seal the Kyuubi in your own son? Minato has an interesting answer to this.
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Minato clearly states that the mere fact that Naruto is his son means that he should be able to control half of the kyuubi's chakra. Note that he didn't say that it was because he was Kushina's son, nor was it because he believed in him, but just because Naruto is his son. This leads me to understand that Minato new that the ability to control the Kyuubi's chakra was genetic and that he should have passed that trait on to his son.
This leads to two more questions.
1) If Minato has a genetic affinity for controling the kyuubi and gaining BM/KCM which clan did it come from?
2) Even if Minato had this affinity how would be know about it if he was not the kyuubi's jinchuuriki.
The answer to the first seems pretty straightforward, we have every indication that if this is a genetic trait then it comes from the Senju lineage.
First we see that the aesthetics of KM/BM are very similar to those of the Rikudou Sennin as seen below, indicating a link, possibly genetic through these two via the Senju Clan.
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we also have the serval comparisons between the hiraishin of Minato and that of Tomirama which lends credence to they idea that they are both a part of the Senju can. Not that neither of these thinks are conclusive but together I think they paint a pretty clear picture.
The answer to the second question more directly relates to how Minato stumbled upon KM/BM when he was alive and before he had the kyuubi's yin chakra.
First we know that Minato was married to Kushina who was the jinchuriki of the kyuubi when Minato was alive. We also know that Minato must have done extensive experiments with the kyuubi's chakra while he was alive.
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Here we see that Minato had observe the bijuu to create his signature technique the rasengan.
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Here we see that Minato had devised "that jutsu" for Naruto to complete using the kyuubi chakra which means he must have had access to the kyuubi chakra in life in order to devise the jutsu.
This still leaves the question of how Minato actually had physical access to the kyuubi chakra if he was not the jin, and I think that this too has been answered in recent chapters.
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Here we see that like Kushina, Naruto has the ability to interface with the Kyuubi's chakra and like Minato he has the ability to pass it out to people. So I think the underlying answer is simple Minato used his chakra transferring abilities to access the Kyuubi's chakra through Kushina where he discovered his affinity for KCM/BM.
I think this is a pretty decent theory on why Minato has access to BM/KCM, thoughts?
TLDR: Minato is a Senju which is why he and Naruto can used BM/KCM. When doing research on the bijuu to complete the rasengan he transferred kyuubi chakra to himself from Kushina giving him access to the modes and allowing him to discover "that jutsu."
I don't think she means Minato had the 9tails fox inside of him as a child
I think she means that he was capable of being the jinchuriki as in potentially could have engulfed Kurama's chakra
and sheltered kurama within his body. such as kushina and naruto.
I was also thinking about the fact that minato is a senju and probably cousin to tsunade.
could have even been like Naruto and not taken the Senju name because of how powerful that name SENJU is.
What if Hashirama and Tobirama's little brother was a combo of Hashirama and Tobirama and experimented on since birth or birthed created that way, the same or similar to Orochimaru did to yamato.
and what if Minato was orphaned like Kabuto was and adopted or something. That's what im thinking.
I don't think she means Minato had the 9tails fox inside of him as a child
I think she means that he was capable of being the jinchuriki as in potentially could have engulfed Kurama's chakra
and sheltered kurama within his body. such as kushina and naruto.
I was also thinking about the fact that minato is a senju and probably cousin to tsunade.
could have even been like Naruto and not taken the Senju name because of how powerful that name SENJU is.
What if Hashirama and Tobirama's little brother was a combo of Hashirama and Tobirama and experimented on since birth or birthed created that way, the same or similar to Orochimaru did to yamato.
and what if Minato was orphaned like Kabuto was and adopted or something. That's what im thinking.
If you think that Minato was a jinjuriki when he was younger, you're wrong.
The fact is, whenever a tailed beast is extracted from a person other than Uzumaki, they die. Period. Always. So, that being said, Minato was not ever the Kyuubi host. Not when he was young, not when he had a team of his own, not right before he died.
If he was when he was young, he would have died when they extracted it from him, and put it in Kushina.
If he was when he had a team, Then Kushina wouldn't be the jinjuriki. And then she wouldn't have been able to have the kyuubi taken from her by Obito, in his attack.
If he was when he was about to die, he would not have been able to perform the complex sealing technique: Reapter Death Seal. He said that himself.
He was not EVER the jinjuriki of the Kyuubi. Not Ever.
I actually can see how this might be possible. I like the theory, and believe that it or something similar to it would be a good ending.
First of all, people are forgetting that this is Kishi. The master of unpredictable moves and decisions. It's funny how a lot of people try to prove that this is impossible, it's almost the same as it was with Tobi=Obito a long time ago. Well what do we have now?
I think doing something like this would really be in Kishi's style, and judging by the majority in this thread, I must say that it is the most promising theory so far. This would not be the first time when Kishi forgets about what was written earlier, rewrites it and makes everything even better. If this becomes a thing ( which I believe it will ) then I look forward to stick my nickname in every thread about it
but isn't it strange he can so easy enter KCM? Like he did this a dozen of times?
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So, what I'm thinking about: what if Minato was at some point junchuuriki of Kurama? There were some fight for Kyuubi before the first meeting of A with Minato, and it's stated that Minato somehow prevented Kumo recieving Kyuubi. Could it be in some time before Kushina, or he could've sealed it in himself just for some time? What do you think?
Minato sealed half of kurama's chakra inside him.. not a part of his soul or whatever.. so the chakra became part of his body.. otherwise he wouldn't have the chakra after being ressurected..
There's no consciousness fighting him for the chakra.. he just has the chakra.
I've been recently thinking about the whole Minato-KCM thing in the manga, trying to collect oll the pieces of the puzzle, and I've come to some interesting conclusions.
1) When Naruto first entered his Bijuu Mode and recieved the chakra cloak, Kakashi thought it was Minato before him, looking from the back. Sure it can be considered as some of metaphor, but think about it: Kishi likes to make such a twists, making us think that the obviouse has something comprehanded under the surface (remember the entire Tobi is Izuna, Kagami, Madara or whoever while it was obviouse from his first appearance that it is Obito.
2) His nickname was Yellow Flash. And his hair is blonde, as well as Naruto's. If he's as fast as flash, in his usual outfit the flash would look anything but yellow, while we know how Naruto (and obviousely Minato) looks while using Shunshin no jutsu in KCM
3) He's recieved the half of Kurama's chakra right before he's died, and he's come on the battlefield almost at the time he was ressurrected. Without a doubt, he's smart and all, but isn't it strange he can so easy enter KCM? Like he did this a dozen of times? Furthermore, none of Edo Kages was surprised of him using KCM, as well as other shinobi (except the younger generation) who could've possibly meet him alive.
4) We all know it requires some special training to enter KCM and it has to be don in a special place, but Killer Bee stated once to Naruto: "Once you capture the chakra of Kyuubi, it's yours forever".
5) Kyuubi hated Minato, he really did. And I may be wrong, but he hates his hosts mostly (and Madara ofc).
EDIT! 6)Also Edo Tensei ressurrects one in their prime form, when the were the most powerful in their lifespan.l
So, what I'm thinking about: what if Minato was at some point junchuuriki of Kurama? There were some fight for Kyuubi before the first meeting of A with Minato, and it's stated that Minato somehow prevented Kumo recieving Kyuubi. Could it be in some time before Kushina, or he could've sealed it in himself just for some time? What do you think?
1. Minato became a jin when he took half of kyubi so he could seal the other half in naruto
2. Now he was sealed with the kyubi in the shirigami's belly so while he was there he could have gone thru the battle +he created the jutsu so he did not have go around figuring stuff out.
3. As far as the cloak it's kishi imagination.
4. And for the other kages knowing by the fact that they can to the battle field with a battle plan means they all had a talk
That's the problem of the majority of people who've agressively tried to convince me my hypothesis being wrong, not trying to look at the plot from the point of creator, not someone who can only put 2+2 together, not knowing that it not always equals 4 
