Minato or Tobirama?

who wins, Minato or Tobirama


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Sennin of Logic

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I at first believed that when Tobirama fans were making excuses when they said that all FTG's are instant. However, I stumbled on a scan that supports their claims.
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The anime says, "instant dimensional transportation." This is the basic description of the jutsu. So Tobirama's FTG=Minato's in speed. The only way for either to beat each other is to mark them at some point so neither could react. Here's the reason why Minato beats Tobirama in using FTG though.

Minato can set up FTG pretty much instantly while Tobirama has to move to individual locations to set up FTG. This makes him vulnerable to a FTG LV 2 blitz and marking before he can set up his FTG.
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Also, Since Minato can set up many spots at once while it takes Tobirama time to set up each one and Minato's faster in base speed than Tobirama, Tobirama's 10X more likely to get marked than Minato. Minato can see where Tobirama's making a new mark and throw a kunai at that location for instance.

Some people make the argument that Tobirama can flood the kunai away, but there's several reasons why that method doesn't work.

1. Space-time barrier can be used to protect the kunai that's closest to the water style.

2. Gamabunta can easily overpower Tobirama's water style with his own.

3. Moving the kunai doesn't really prevent Minato from using FTG. He just needs a place to escape from. It doesn't matter where unless he's specifically targeting Tobirama's marks.

4. This is a double-edged sword. Gamabunta could probably use water style to turn the ground where Tobirama's marks are into mud, destroying the marks while Minato's kunai are intact.

Tobirama's edos aren't as strong as they were in life, so they most likely aren't going to be a hindrance to Minato other than the suicide techniques. This is countered by Minato using FTG, or by using space-time barrier. Minato can destroy the edo's bodies and seal them quickly. Also, if Minato touches Tobirama, he can use reverse contract seal to get rid of the edos.

If neither can mark one another in the fight, Tobirama would most likely win because of senju stamina. However, Minato's no slouch at stamina since he became a jinchuriki, which requires massive chakra to stand.
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Considering the points I listed above, it's far more likely that Minato would Mark Tobirama before that happened. Especially since Minato wouldn't let Tobirama set up his FTG.


Here's the link to the VS thread I made these points in.
 

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I will post it again.

Minato > Tobirama. You just have to deal with the facts.

Minato:

- Advanced FTG S/T ninjutsu (meaning he's better at it than Tobirama)
- Advanced Uzumaki Seals
- Frog summons
- Variations of Rasengan
- Got a wife
- Got laid
- Has a kid.

Whilst...

Tobirama:

- Few water techs
- Edo tensei (imperfect)
- FTG S/T ninjutsu (Crap version)
- No wife
- Never got laid.

Face it. Minato is everything Tobirama wanted to be.
 

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That would have to have a fight.
 

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Why do people assume Tobirama would go to a position and strategically put a mark there? He doesn't use his FTG like Minato; he places a mark in the heat of a battle so the mark goes unnoticed unlike Minato who starts the battle by placing kunai everywhere.
 

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Why do people assume Tobirama would go to a position and strategically put a mark there? He doesn't use his FTG like Minato; he places a mark in the heat of a battle so the mark goes unnoticed unlike Minato who starts the battle by placing kunai everywhere.

The Minato stomps by throwing a kunai and using FTG.
 

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Sasuke > Minato & Tobirama
 

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Neither. They're both overrated and overhyped thanks to the fanboys and countless threads on this site. As if hundreds of those threads weren't enough.
 

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The Minato stomps by throwing a kunai and using FTG.
Minato only uses it to get away from attacks. FTG v2 only worked on Obito because he was able to become intangible and decided not to deflect the kunai away.

Damn, there has to be a cap on the amount of kunai Minato has.
 
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