The senjutsu he absorbed from Madara isn't what's responsible for him reacting to Madara with Kamui. You're the third person today to mention jubi powers where jubi powers wasn't used. I don't think anyone here understands what I'm saying.
That isn't even true, in chapter 475 can you see Fu and Torune to keep testing Obito's abilities, what he has and what he can do with them. They found his ability during the fight out and created a counter accordingly to it. That counter was the same Minato did, that's basicly it.
That isn't even true, in chapter 475 can you see Fu and Torune to keep testing Obito's abilities, what he has and what he can do with them. They found his ability during the fight out and created a counter accordingly to it. That counter was the same Minato did, that's basicly it.
U'r right... lol. I was re-reading the fight , they actually did figure it out Kamui. But Minato was the only one able to counter it as the post from the ThunderGod on the first page - and while thinking of wararc fight - Kakashi/Gai/Naruto vs Obito - the 3 of them couldnt lend a hit on Tobi , until Kakashi finally realised that his Kamui is the same as Tobi's and send the rasengan into Kamui world to get hit
No one noticed Minato running and saving Obito, even Naruto and Sasuke couldn't sensed him. What is this? Sasuke was the closest to Obito, but Minato was far away from them, but was faster? I still think he used FTG though.
because sasuke and naruto were running while minato used shunshin. If anything you are underestimating his shunshin. In KCM, it should be faster than Ay v2 as Naruto was faster than him. And it appears you forgot but minato outsped sasuke and naruto earlier too when they were going to attack obito with inferno rasenshuriken. Tobirama teleported behind obito but minato shunshined infront of sasuke/naruto.
Minato is not faster than a 30 year old Obito, he's way slower than him that it's not even funny. 30 year old Tobi would kill Minato. I compared Mu and Fu's strategy to Minato's which was exactly the same. Both Torune and Minato attacked Obito from behind while his body was suppose to be materializing. One failed because Obito is an experience 30 year old and the other succeeded because he is a 13 year old kid. Using chains is not a strong weapon at all, and comparing 60 black ops anbus to minato fight is just a bad excuse because Obito stayed in intangible kamui while destroying people with Wood style. He didn't even use that against Minato let alone a simple Fire style technique so don't compare Minato to that situation. He only used Kamui on him and that's it.
His tactics weren't superior at all because Torune did the exact same thing highlighted in bold yet it still failed. The rest is just utterly wrong. It's not unpredictable at all, Minato activated his jutsu before kid Obito did, that's why he one. Minato's attack speed won because of his timing, he even said so himself:
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Sharingan reaction is superior to ftg speed, the users body just needs to keep up with it.
This is some backward incoherent logic because Mu and Torune already fought a 30 year old more experience Obito without the kyubi. To say that a 14 year old obito would beat those two quicker than ever is the same thing as saying that 14 kid obito would also beat minato quicker than ever if he wasn't busy controlling the kyubi.
Minato without Hiruzen to distract the beast, would clearly die with easy overkill in all honesty. Let's be real here.
Kishi didn't nerf mianto for any plot reasons, that's just your bias opinion on that matter. It was Obito who was seriously nerfed for plot sake if he wasn't saved by Tobirama.
Minato did not compete with Madara or Obito, he was seriously outclassed that it wasn't even funny.
You're just talking incoherently and without much sense to be honest. Obito has no business sensing Minato if he's right in front of him. And becoming a jubi jinchuuriki doesn't increase your striking speed. He didn't use the rinnegan against minato and he didn't use the jubi to enhance his physical reflexes that's just fanfiction. Obito had no problem dodging jubi madara on reflexes alone and his unconscious body kept minato and kakashi unable to land a single attack on him.
Ten tails coffin seal is not Six path sage mode that gives you universal understanding. Show me in the manga where it states that the jubi increases striking speed, I'll wait.
While this comment will probably go long due to the fact that I don’t want to type for 7 minutes, I’d like to emphasise the words you are saying before I am leaving this post.
Obito got trained by the original Madara, has the Sharingan, the Mangekyou Sharingan, a superior teleportation jutsu, Kamui (greater than the Tobirama's and Minato's), intangibility, Kurama, Hashirama's cells (which makes him stronger and tougher, along with wood style and super-heightened healing), personal knowledge of his opponent, having trained under Minato and after witnessing him in battle countless times, and the fact that his opponent knew nothing about him.
Minato knew literally nothing (has to analyse everything from the ground up)...
And the results was that Obito got hit and wounded, marked with a teleportation jutsu formula, lost an arm, lost Kurama, and was forced to retreat. All within the span of a few seconds, and people still think Minato is losing against 30 years old Obito (orange mask) like Obito's more impressive just because he was younger at the time during Kurama attack.
The duo Fuu and Torune winning against this 14 years old Obito, what kind of logic is that?
They would have still lost against this Obito.
However, most part you are saying is correct, and don't get me wrong, 14 years old Obito was still inexperienced in some fields, however due to the fact that he got trained by an Uchiha and his creatures, he definitely got battle skills as a young age. You must remember that he got one of Zetu's body inside of him which could help him battle wisely.
Again, you are ignoring the fact that Obito who absorbed Juubi got better sensing ability, and for that striking speed, here:
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Go to where it says "Jinchuriki Transformations".
It clearly says:
"Obito seals the Ten-Tails into his body during the Fourth Shinobi World War. Upon becoming its jinchūriki, all of the previous damage to his body is healed and he becomes stronger, faster,[32] and nearly impervious to damage".
You will probably say faster in terms of footspeed, but don't forget that he attacked clone Hashirama and Tobirama without them reacting in time and even KCM Minato couldn't.
Say whatever you want here, being a Jinchuriki increase your striking speed. Do you actually read the manga? Naruto and Bee who controls their Bijuus gets faster movements, by faster movements, they have faster striking speed. If someone is the Kyuubi's Jinchuriki, then being a Juubi Jinchuriki does the same to you by increasing your powers and your attack speed increases.
So basically, Juubito ripped one of Minato's arm because of that. He clearly knew about Minato's potential and countered him. Yes, I agree with you Obito had the knowledge of FTG, but I still say that Obito without Juubi and Rinnegan still loses to Minato anyway.
While this comment will probably go long due to the fact that I don’t want to type for 7 minutes, I’d like to emphasise the words you are saying before I am leaving this post.
Obito got trained by the original Madara, has the Sharingan, the Mangekyou Sharingan, a superior teleportation jutsu, Kamui (greater than the Tobirama's and Minato's), intangibility, Kurama, Hashirama's cells (which makes him stronger and tougher, along with wood style and super-heightened healing), personal knowledge of his opponent, having trained under Minato and after witnessing him in battle countless times, and the fact that his opponent knew nothing about him.
Minato knew literally nothing (has to analyse everything from the ground up)...
And the results was that Obito got hit and wounded, marked with a teleportation jutsu formula, loses an arm, loses Kurama, and was forced to retreat. All within the span of a few seconds, and people still think Minato is losing against 30 years old Obito (orange mask) like Obito's more impressive just because he was younger at the time during Kurama attack.
The duo Fuu and Torune winning against this 14 years old Obito, what kind of logic is that?
. So it’s not like he had full intel as well.
Torune/Fu and Konan made a 30 year old Obito lose his arm, so Minato making a 14 year old lose his arm is not impressive at all. In fact his arm broke because it wasn’t fully healed. A fully healed 30 year old Obito tanked kcm naruto’s rasengan and healed right up. 13 year old Obito’s arm didn’t heal up and he couldn’t use obito’s Healing powers.
Why are you mentioning wood style and Kurama? 13 year old Obito didn’t use either of them on Minato otherwise he would’ve died faster. The difference between Konan and Torune/Fu compared to Minato is that 14 yr Obito didn’t use a genjutsu on Minato like he did Torune/Fu, 14 year old Obito didn’t use izanagi on Minato like he did Konan, and Minato didn’t fight a 30 yr old like the others did. If 30 yr old Obito used any of the other jutsus he used on Fu, Torune, and Konan on Minato, Minato would get absolutely destroyed. All he did is use kamui warp once on Minato. All his other opponents he used wood style, genjutsu, izanagi, six path powers and etc on. Minato hasn’t tasted either one of those.
You need to stop making up excuses and be honest with yourself.
