Minato not being good in SM is an understatement, as said by Minato himself!

[Valhorus]

That's false though. If they're saying he's incapable of using it in battle, they're illogical haters that deny manga facts. Don't let numbers intimidate you. Most of the base claimed Minato wouldn't be able to use Kurama or enter BM, but he did. The majority's opinion does not matter, only the logical opinions.

That is the replys they keep posting , clearly showing who is in denial.

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

Okay . Base Madara > Hashirama in SM . Hashirama SUCKS in SM cuz he wasnt able to stop Base Madara. Why u are comparing Minato to Juubi Jin DUde ? Are we saying Minato >RMadara or something like that ? You only know that "he lost to juubi jin" . Keep saying that.

It does'nt matter if it's Madara or not Minato still can't maintain SM or use it for more than a short time.

 

[Valhorus]

He kneaded Senjutsu chakra while obito was having a conversation with madara.

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Minato deosn't move at all until hes in Sage mode. The time it took madara and obito to reconcile, Minato was kneading senjutsu chakra.

This is what im saying, in a battle, you wont have time to kneads senjutsu chakra while the other person has a conversation with a wall. That is why it's useless in battle.

Invalid . He threw a kunai and then he entered in SM the lines near Minato eye in the Mangas that says SHH SHH mean that is the time when the pigments are appearing after he threw the kunai . So u just said every SM User is useless in combat cuz i dont know an SM user who kneada chakra will moving . Naruto can't so his SM is Useless ?

 

[Valhorus]

It does'nt matter if it's Madara or not Minato still can't maintain SM or use it for more than a short time.

Im just saying even if he is not on the same level of Naruto's SM he can use it and he can land an critical hit with his SM it is just that nothing else.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

He kneaded Senjutsu chakra while obito was having a conversation with madara.

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Minato deosn't move at all until hes in Sage mode. The time it took madara and obito to reconcile, Minato was kneading senjutsu chakra.

This is what im saying, in a battle, you wont have time to kneads senjutsu chakra while the other person has a conversation with a wall. That is why it's useless in battle.

Same with Naruto.

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Same with Hashirama.

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Yet, they manage to enter SM, and it's considered useful for them. Plus, you have no evidence that Minato was meditating at that point.

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

Same with Naruto.

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Same with Hashirama.

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Yet, they manage to enter SM, and it's considered useful for them. Plus, you have no evidence that Minato was meditating at that point.

You'll notice that when Hashirama and Naruto are entering SM they close their eyes for a moment.Are there any scans of Minato doing the same?

 

[Bogard]

He kneaded Senjutsu chakra while obito was having a conversation with madara.

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Minato deosn't move at all until hes in Sage mode. The time it took madara and obito to reconcile, Minato was kneading senjutsu chakra.

My point exactly. You don't know exactly when Minato entered SM. It could have been at anytime during Obito and Madara's conversation, hence you don't know exactly how long he maintained the mode since you have no proof he wasn't already in SM waiting for opportunities

This is what im saying, in a battle, you wont have time to kneads senjutsu chakra while the other person has a conversation with a wall. That is why it's useless in battle.

This is a general rule for every SM user

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So it's not like they are different

In Minato's case however it's not an issue considering the dude is a teleporter(and can even use clones). Finding time to gather natural energy for him shouldn't be an issue

 

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Same with Naruto.

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Same with Hashirama.

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Yet, they manage to enter SM, and it's considered useful for them. Plus, you have no evidence that Minato was meditating at that point.

Minato himself states that his takes too long to knead senjutsu in a fight, that's why he chooses not to use it in a fight and here you are showing me a scan of naruto and hashirama's Sage mode's.

smh

My point exactly. You don't know exactly when Minato entered SM. It could have been at anytime during Obito and Madara's conversation, hence you don't know exactly how long he maintained the mode since you have no proof he wasn't already in SM waiting for opportunities
This is a general rule for every SM user

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So it's not like they are different

In Minato's case however it's not an issue considering the dude is a teleporter(and can even use clones). Finding time to gather natural energy for him shouldn't be an issue

Minato specifically states that his takes too long for battle so i don't see why using naruto's sage mode as reference when naruto has no problem kneading chakra comapred to minato.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Minato himself states that his takes too long to knead senjutsu in a fight, that's why he chooses not to use it in a fight and here you are showing me a scan of naruto and hashirama's Sage mode's.

smh

Sorry, but I just destroyed your point. You're talking about how can Minato can enter SM in a fight because it takes the length of a conversation to enter it, but I just showed you that SM users that by cannon, can enter it and are incredible with it, also had to spend the length of a conversation to enter it, but they always manage to enter it.

You'll notice that when Hashirama and Naruto are entering SM they close their eyes for a moment.Are there any scans of Minato doing the same?

No, but how's that relevant? That would indicate a lack of effort, instead of more effort.

 

[Valhorus]

Minato himself states that his takes too long to knead senjutsu in a fight, that's why he chooses not to use it in a fight and here you are showing me a scan of naruto and hashirama's Sage mode's.

smh



Minato specifically states that his takes too long for battle so i don't see why using naruto's sage mode as reference when naruto has no problem kneading chakra comapred to minato.

Every SM user need time and cant gather it in combat your Point about Minato is invalid.

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

Sorry, but I just destroyed your point. You're talking about how can Minato can enter SM in a fight because it takes the length of a conversation to enter it, but I just showed you that SM users that by cannon, can enter it and are incredible with it, also had to spend the length of a conversation to enter it, but they always manage to enter it.




No, but how's that relevant? That would indicate a lack of effort, instead of more effort.

It's relevant because if Minato was standing there gathering nature energy then his eyes would've been closed.That proves he can only use SM in short bursts since it takes him forever to gather nature energy.

 

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Sorry, but I just destroyed your point. You're talking about how can Minato can enter SM in a fight because it takes the length of a conversation to enter it, but I just showed you that SM users that by cannon, can enter it and are incredible with it, also had to spend the length of a conversation to enter it, but they always manage to enter it.

No you didn't, Minato's statement destroys your entire argument as he says that kneading chakra takes too long in a fight, that is why he doesn't use it in a fight.

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

Every SM user need time and cant gather it in combat your Point about Minato is invalid.

Some take less time to gather nature energy like Naruto and Hashirama.Minato's is a detriment to his fighting style.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

No you didn't, Minato's statement destroys your entire argument as he says that kneading chakra takes too long in a fight, that is why he doesn't use it in a fight.

Fukasaku's statement destroys your entire argument, because Fukasaku says the exact same thing about every SM user. Yes, I did destroy your statement.

It's relevant because if Minato was standing there gathering nature energy then his eyes would've been closed.That proves he can only use SM in short bursts since it takes him forever to gather nature energy.

I don't follow. Why would that be the conclusion?

 

[Zebstrika]

Do people even know what the word understatement means?

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You make an understatement when you say a lot less than you could, "We didn't do so well," when your team loses 56 to 0. That's quite an understatement.

An understatement can be just the thing to make someone feel better. For example, if you are a terrible dancer and everyone seems to be pointing and laughing at you, your friend might say your style is unique. She's not lying, but she is making sad truth easier to deal with.

Kakashi said that Senjutsu isn't Minato isn't his forte, but even saying that is an understatement by Minato's own admission.

Minato: I suck at SM.

Minato fanboy: Minato is actually pretty decent with SM.

lol you couldn't make this stuff up.

 

[Specific]

Fukasaku's statement destroys your entire argument, because Fukasaku says the exact same thing about every SM user. Yes, I did destroy your statement.

Except minato never used Sage mode in a fight and he also admitted that his sage mode is terrible as it takes too long to knead chakra while in a fight even tho his Son used it earlier and Hashirama did.

Why would Minato say that his sage mode was terrible if it's the exact same as his sons and hashirama's? Obviously his is a lot worse than theirs, that is why he felt that he should admit his SM inferiority to others.

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

Fukasaku's statement destroys your entire argument, because Fukasaku says the exact same thing about every SM user. Yes, I did destroy your statement.



I don't follow. Why would that be the conclusion?

Usually whenever we see a SM gathering nature energy they always have their eyes closed.It then takes a minute or so before SM is activated.Both Naruto and Hashirama did it all in the heat of battle,now if Minato had gathered nature energy in the time it took for Madara to talk with Obito then he would've gathered enough to sustain SM.

The fact he entered SM with eyes open shows Minato can only keep it up for a few seconds.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Except minato never used Sage mode in a fight and he also admitted that his sage mode is terrible as it takes too long to knead chakra while in a fight even tho his Son used it earlier and Hashirama did.

Why would Minato say that his sage mode was terrible if it's the exact same as his sons and hashirama's? Obviously his is a lot worse than theirs, that is why he felt that he should admit his SM inferiority to others.

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"I haven't used it much in real combat." You are 100% wrong about Minato not being able to use it in a fight and are denying manga facts. Admit it.

The point is, it takes that level of time for all SM users, it's just that Minato's doesn't last for as long as theirs. Minato can definitely enter it and use it. Manga fact!

Usually whenever we see a SM gathering nature energy they always have their eyes closed.It then takes a minute or so before SM is activated.Both Naruto and Hashirama did it all in the heat of battle,now if Minato had gathered nature energy in the time it took for Madara to talk with Obito then he would've gathered enough to sustain SM.

The fact he entered SM with eyes open shows Minato can only keep it up for a few seconds.

I really don't see how that's supported by the manga at all.

 

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"I haven't used it much in real combat.

You just proved my point over and over again.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

You just proved my point over and over again.

He hasn't used it much. Meaning he has used it in real combat. Meaning there's no "he can't use it in combat." The only debatable piece of information is how long it lasts.