Minato not being good in SM is an understatement, as said by Minato himself!

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Doesn't work like that, when have we once ever seen anything like that in the manga. This is something you just made up right here right now. If you move then you cannot continue gathering natural energy, we didn't even see Minato close his eyes which makes this even more baffling.

Show me a scan of Naruto or Hashirama moving before finalizing their sage mode.
Why are you comparing naruto and hashirama's Sage mode with minato's? they are not the same, this was proven when minato felt he needed to admit inferiority to Naruto and hashirama's sage mode's by saying his was "useless" in a sense.

You cannot knead senjutsu chakra in the span of 1 second, this is fan fiction. He was already into sage mode when he threw the kunai.
 

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Why are you comparing naruto and hashirama's Sage mode with minato's? they are not the same, this was proven when minato felt he needed to admit inferiority to Naruto and hashirama's sage mode's by saying his was "useless" in a sense.

You cannot knead senjutsu chakra in the span of 1 second, this is fan fiction. He was already into sage mode when he threw the kunai.
I will repeat learn to read the manga . The lines with SVV SVV shows that Minato enter the sage mode in that panel.
 

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he isn't in sage mode the next panel we saw him clearly.

You do realize that that's the reason why I think it's 2 minutes right? Allow me to explain my reasoning. Between that period of time, we got a lengthy conversation between Obito and Madara.


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Seriously. Read there conversation, time it, take into consideration that they pause in the middle of their conversation. It adds up to 2 minutes.
 

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You do realize that that's the reason why I think it's 2 minutes right? Allow me to explain my reasoning. Between that period of time, we got a lengthy conversation between Obito and Madara.


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Seriously. Read there conversation, time it, take into consideration that they pause in the middle of their conversation. It adds up to 2 minutes.
No, the conversation was likely around 30 seconds but Minato going into sage mode and attacking madara was like 5-10 seconds. Don't forget that madara moves at the speed of light.
 

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Why are you comparing naruto and hashirama's Sage mode with minato's? they are not the same, this was proven when minato felt he needed to admit inferiority to Naruto and hashirama's sage mode's by saying his was "useless" in a sense.

You cannot knead senjutsu chakra in the span of 1 second, this is fan fiction. He was already into sage mode when he threw the kunai.
I'm comparing because they're all perfect sages and they all work the same. You are tyring to tell me Minato can move and take a pause and then continue to gather senjutsu - NOO, that's some fanfiction.

You can't provide proof of when Minato started kneading senjutsu, neither can you provide proof of the time he entered sage mode. What's the point of you even arguing anymore when you keep making up things to suit your own argument.

I go by what the scans showed me and that is:

1. Minato throws kunai (he moves, no more senjutsu)
2. Next Minato panel we see SUU SUU effects indicating the activation of sage mode. We also see motion lines meaning Minato is moving.

Those are manga facts, not your made up Bull Crap. Still can't show me a scan of Naruto and Hashirama moving before fully entering sage mode. The manga/anime has always shown that once the markings fully appear on your face, then you are fully in sage mode. Again - FACT
 

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So Minato declares that calling his lack of prowess is even an understatement. It's that bad. Add Understatement to the factor 'not his forte', then even an imbecile can see how horrendous his SM is. So much so, that he doesn't even bother using it for Combat. But I see Minato fans pulls nonsense as usual.

"Your sennin mode isn't your forte eh sensei?"

for·te1
ˈfôrˌtā,fôrt/
noun
1.
a thing at which someone excels.
"small talk was not his forte"
synonyms: strength, strong point, specialty, strong suit, talent, special ability, skill, bent, gift, métier;


"That is putting it at an understatement"


un·der·state·ment
ˈəndərˌstātmənt/Submit
noun
1.
the presentation of something as being smaller, worse, or less important than it actually is.
"a master of English understatement"
synonyms: minimization, trivialization, euphemism;



I read it perfectly.
^ This ends the thread. Honestly, never have I seen so many blatant and borderline asinine denials that are so desperate that it ingrates. Minato himself declared that even calling SM 'not his Forte is an understatement'; meaning, he's just that 'Bad' at it. This is as accurate as the translation can get. God, the amount of nonsensical denials in this thread are out of this world.

Just like Sasuke sucks with genjutsu right? I guess selective reading is strong in this one

Never said you didn't anyway. All i'm saying is everyone can remove part of statement and find his own resoning around it completely different than the one you could notice with the complete one

"I don't like you. I love you" Remove the second part and you have someone hating another

"I don't think i could reach Boston in less than an hour. Not with a bicycle, but a car would do it" Remove the second part and you have a complete impossibility

"I don't think i could eat rice. I don't like it and don't digest normally" Remove the second part and one could think the individual can't eat it

"I'm not good at math. I can only have 3/5 instead of 5/5 like in english" Remove the second part and you get something totally different

May i go on?
No, they cannot. All I see is back-paddling and a poor one at that. For Sasuke, a juxtaposition was created, a comparison, a dichotomous representation, and it was made specifically on grounds of MS, with another individual, who would be Itachi. Do you see any comparisons, parallels, contrasts here? Then all your statements are left null and void as Minato has added no one into his statement. His explanation is centered on a singular entity, meaning himself.

Your explanations do not even make sense. When one states he isn't good at Maths, without declaring the grounds for a comparison or what he factors as good or bad, then how are you adding factors without any aforementioned factors? All of your explanations are a part of elaborate reasoning, which Minato has already forwarded that you are repeatedly ignoring - let me put it in very simple terms:

K - "You are not god at SM, Minato / SM is not your forte?"
M - "That is an understatement / that is putting it lightly" - Backed by these lines:
M - "Well, it takes too long to knead Chakra, I cannot maintain it for long, and I haven't used it much in combat."

These are reasonings, solid and clear cut ones as to why he's absolutely horrendous at using SM.

Let's use your own Example:

Teacher: "Bogard, why don't you understand simple English? / Is English not your forte?"
Bogard: "That would be an understatement. I don't understand basic sentence structure, clear cut declarative sentences, and I don't even use it much in real life."
 
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I'm comparing because they're all perfect sages and they all work the same. You are tyring to tell me Minato can move and take a pause and then continue to gather senjutsu - NOO, that's some fanfiction.

You can't provide proof of when Minato started kneading senjutsu, neither can you provide proof of the time he entered sage mode. What's the point of you even arguing anymore when you keep making up things to suit your own argument.

I go by what the scans showed me and that is:

1. Minato throws kunai (he moves, no more senjutsu)
2. Next Minato panel we see SUU SUU effects indicating the activation of sage mode. We also see motion lines meaning Minato is moving.

Those are manga facts, not your made up Bull Crap. Still can't show me a scan of Naruto and Hashirama moving before fully entering sage mode. The manga/anime has always shown that once the markings fully appear on your face, then you are fully in sage mode. Again - FACT
You think minato entering sennin mode in 1 second is plausible yet you completely deny the fact that he was in transition of entering sennin mode when he threw the kunai. (basically in sage mode)

Minato was in sage mode when he threw the kunai, the panel next to it was just a final shot of him in sage mode. How can you not comprehend this? You cannot go into sage mode in 1 second, this is fanfiction again.
 

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So Minato declares that calling his lack of prowess is even an understatement. It's that bad. Add Understatement to the factor 'not his forte', then even an imbecile can see how horrendous his SM is. So much so, that he doesn't even bother using it for Combat. But I see Minato fans pulls nonsense as usual.



^ This ends the thread. Honestly, never have I seen so many blatant and borderline asinine denials that are so desperate that it ingrates. Minato himself declared that even calling SM 'not his Forte is an understatement'; meaning, he's just that 'Bad' at it. This is as accurate as the translation can get. God, the amount of nonsensical denials in this thread are out of this world.



No, they cannot. All I see is back-paddling and a poor one at that. For Sasuke, a juxtaposition was created, a comparison, a dichotomous representation, and it was made specifically on grounds of MS, with another individual, who would be Itachi. Do you see any comparisons, parallels, contrasts here? Then all your statements are left null and void as Minato has added no one into his statement. His explanation is centered on a singular entity, meaning himself.

Your explanations do not even make sense. When one states he isn't good at Maths, without declaring the grounds for a comparison or what he factors as good or bad, then how are you adding factors without any aforementioned factors? All of your explanations are a part of elaborate reasoning, which Minato has already forwarded that you are repeatedly ignoring - let me put it in very simple terms:

K - "You are not god at SM, Minato / SM is not your forte?"
M - "That is an understatement / that is putting it lightly" - Backed by these lines:
M - "Well, it takes too long to knead Chakra, I cannot maintain it for long, and I haven't used it much in combat."

These are reasonings, solid and clear cut ones as to why he's absolutely horrendous at using SM.

Let's use your own Example:

Teacher: "Bogard, why don't you understand simple English? / Is English not your forte?"
Bogard: "That would be an understatement. I don't understand basic sentence structure, clear cut declarative sentences, and I don't even use it much in real life."
Teacher shelke hating on Minato is your Forte eh ?
There is a lot other meanings on that word . Like u win something and u just says nice but your happiness is beyond that.
 

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No, they cannot. All I see is back-paddling and a poor one at that. For Sasuke, a juxtaposition was created, a comparison, a dichotomous representation, and it was made specifically on grounds of MS, with another individual, who would be Itachi. Do you see any comparisons, parallels, contrasts here? Then all your statements are left null and void as Minato has added no one into his statement. His explanation is centered on a singular entity, meaning himself.

Your explanations do not even make sense. When one states he isn't good at Maths, without declaring the grounds for a comparison or what he factors as good or bad, then how are you adding factors without any aforementioned factors? All of your explanations are a part of elaborate reasoning, which Minato has already forwarded that you are repeatedly ignoring - let me put it in very simple terms:

K - "You are not god at SM, Minato / SM is not your forte?"
M - "That is an understatement / that is putting it lightly" - Backed by these lines:
M - "Well, it takes too long to knead Chakra, I cannot maintain it for long, and I haven't used it much in combat."

These are reasonings, solid and clear cut ones as to why he's absolutely horrendous at using SM.

Let's use your own Example:

Teacher: "Bogard, why don't you understand simple English? / Is English not your forte?"
Bogard: "That would be an understatement. I don't understand basic sentence structure, clear cut declarative sentences, and I don't even use it much in real life."
Naruto was poor at chakra build and chakra control in early days. Sasuke was infact better than him in both, yet he was still called inept/incompetent because of a 10% of chakra loss happening during chakra build despite perfect chakra control

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Yet he could still perform the 4clones required perfectly, yet he could still make use of it in battle perfectly

So Minato saying he isn't good at senjutsu once again doesn't affect his actual fighting with it. I don't get what is that hard to grasp here.

There are better Sage Mode users than Minato(Naruto and Hashirama for example capable to enter SM close to instant and maintain it for extended periods of time), no wonder in this case that Minato find himself bad in it when it's true while comparing to other perfect sage mode users we've seen so far(Naruto, Hashirama)
 

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@Bogard

Bringing Sasuke into your argument and that too from way back when Sasuke had yet to even start Chidori training is not helping your case, at all. Fact remains, Mianto's statements are clear cut and to the point. Any 5th grader which excruciatingly poor English Skills through a bit of flicking through the dictionary and a little googling will fathom. I am bamboozled by your slinking around something that doesn't leave any room for interpretations.

You are using outlandish examples that don't support your argumentation at all. Minato plainly and simply said that even calling his SM bad, is an understatement. Where does his SM use lie then? Any intelligent man can guess. You Minato fans are just embarrassing yourselves, honestly. Kishimoto pulled a plot-hole with Minato, and a dire a livid one at that and now, he covered it up rather perfectly. Otherwise, there really was no excuse for him to not use his supposed perfect SM against a man he thought to be Madara.
 

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You think minato entering sennin mode in 1 second is plausible yet you completely deny the fact that he was in transition of entering sennin mode when he threw the kunai. (basically in sage mode)

Minato was in sage mode when he threw the kunai, the panel next to it was just a final shot of him in sage mode. How can you not comprehend this? You cannot go into sage mode in 1 second, this is fanfiction again.
It wasn't one second, it was the time it took for Gaara's sand wall to rise completely up. However long that took is how long Minato gathered the small amount of senjutsu that he did.

You're the one who doesn't understand how to real panels properly. Tell me, how could Minato throw his kunai with Gaara's sand wall blocking the path?????

He obviosuly threw it before the sand rose up, and then we see in the middle panel that the kunai is infront of Madara and the sand is fully risen (YOU EVEN SEE THE SAND MOTION LINES INDICATIING THAT IT IS MOVING UPWARDS).

Minato has finished gathereing senjutsu in that time gaara put up his wall, then he warps to Madara. Read the panels slowly and carefully child.

And again you ignore the fact that Minato is mobile before he finishes entering sage mode, and you can't even show me a scan of a scenario similar to this.

Just give up.
 

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@Bogard

Bringing Sasuke into your argument and that too from way back when Sasuke had yet to even start Chidori training is not helping your case, at all. Fact remains, Mianto's statements are clear cut and to the point. Any 5th grader which excruciatingly poor English Skills through a bit of flicking through the dictionary and a little googling will fathom. I am bamboozled by your slinking around something that doesn't leave any room for interpretations.

You are using outlandish examples that don't support your argumentation at all. Minato plainly and simply said that even calling his SM bad, is an understatement. Where does his SM use lie then? Any intelligent man can guess. You Minato fans are just embarrassing yourselves, honestly. Kishimoto pulled a plot-hole with Minato, and a dire a livid one at that and now, he covered it up rather perfectly. Otherwise, there really was no excuse for him to not use his supposed perfect SM against a man he thought to be Madara.
Shelke my boy u_u Do you need them scans?
 
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