[VS] Minato Namikaze vs. Orochimaru

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I was going to argue for orochimaru because he most likely wins but ill just quote blaze releases post.

Certain i poured cold water on this vs thread about a week ago. Anyway there is a copy and paste;

First of all allow me to say, nobody knows who would win, we are just speculating going by abilities shown. Ill take away edo tensei from oro because that isnt fair. First of all the edo's oro has been sealed therefore there isnt any point including this but also the only sealing jutsu minato has shown us that is applicable is the reaper technique which takes the user's life as well therefore in that case he doesnt stand a chance of winning since he would have to use this technique.

Ill also exclude summonings because people have to take into consideration chakra levels in vs threads. No ninja can keep on summonings large animals to fight for them, because with the summoning technique depending on the size and quantity of your summonigs that alone can take up more than half of your chakra. Only people like nagato, kisame, naruto can spam summonings and not worry about chakra depletion. Another reason not to add summonings is that they kinda cacnel each other out. Oro not only has manda, be also has other large snake summonigs but also the hydra technique which minato can counter by summonings gamabunta but also the other massive frogs and ma and pa (that takes time though). Basically its purely minato vs oro.

Anyway both are close to mid range fighters. Neither are long range, although oro does indeed have some long range attacks, he is however a close to mid range fighter. If both were to fight it would be most likely be in open space since thats where most fights take place, therefore minato would most likely have the edge, therefore lets say he spams ftg kunai's;

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Oro is a wind release user and with this could blow either the kunai's in mind air (handspeed of 5/5) or when the kunai's do land he uses this to blow them away;
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To make this fair lets says minato uses his ftg kunai's in this fight the same way he doesnt against tobi therefore lets say he does this instead;
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Meaning he doest spam the kunai's and instead uses them one at a time. Oro has several counters for this. First of being, many hidden snake hands ;
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With this he can not only block the ftg kunai which is heading his way, he can also use it at an offence if minato decides to come in like what he did to tobi. This mode is very effective because if those snakes were to either block or swallow the kunai, minato wouldnt be able to evade such a technique because his kunai has been swallowed. If he does have a good reflex in base he can immediately stop and retreat because if he does head on this technique would greatly damage him.

Anyway to stop this stragegy is to use this;
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This technique should block the ftg kunai, meaning if the kunai doesnt reach oro, minato doesnt either and at full speed in base, minato would have to have a pretty quick reflex otherwise he would run into this technique. No different to the hidden snake hands.

Basically ftg would be very hard here. Now im sure alot of people would say minato doesnt need ftg kunai's to tag a location and i agree therefore lets say, if his ftg kunai's are countered he resorts to tagging the location instead. Again oro has counters for this. He has the ability to merge with the environment (Hiru Banshō: Bōka no Jutsu);

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Kanji 蛭万象・防火の術
Rōmaji Hiru Banshō: Bōka no Jutsu
Literal English Leech Ten Thousand Things: Attack Prevention Technique
English TV Assimilation Jutsu
Debut​
Manga Chapter #50
Anime Naruto Episode #30
Appears in Anime and Manga

Data​
Classification Ninjutsu
Class Supplementary
[hide] Users
Orochimaru

With the jutsu above that ive mentioned, where oro can merge with the environment, if minato was to tag the environment oro can evade ftg because whilst he can move in with this technique in any direction, ftg tags are stationary, oro isnt.

Basically oro does have counters for ftg therefore this might come down to foot speed. Minato is shunshin is in deed superior, but oro is also a shunshin user;
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Either oro's shunshin or the slightering snake modehttp://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Slithering_Snake_Mode increases his speed and agility ;
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There is a couple of problems with using minato's shunshin though against oro atleast. Ftg is teleportation, we know that. Shunshin is high foot speed movement. Now what happens if ftg has been countered like how i have above, and minato was to use his shunshin which is foot movement?. What if oro was to use this technique to basically swarm the environment with formation of 10,000 snakes

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Foot movement, shunshin would be very hard when you have to step on 10000 snakes whom are poisonous, with this technique oro has the environment advantage because those snakes wouldnt attack him and would attack minato only.

If minato is handicapped due to the environment, oro who also uses shunshin no jutsu can keep up with him. Lets not forget that oro also has Kanashibari no Jutsu ,
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Its a temporary paralysis. As we say oro was playing with sasuke and sakura, when both were paralysed. When oro threw his kunai's did were they eventually ablo to regain their senses and evade it. If oro was serious when sasuke nd sakura were still under this paralysis and couldnt move, he couldve done whatever he wanted.

Now if he was to use this on minato and due the effects of this technique's minato is temporarily paralysed but also is at the disadvantage due to the environmenet covered with snakes;
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Those 10000 snakes would bite and poison a paralysed minato and with that oro wins. If minato is stationary, oro can use
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If paralysed, the hidden shadow snake hands would be applicable
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Minato's rasengan and kunai isnt doing anything against somebody who can use this technique
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For the sake of this argument lets say minato does indeed mark him with ftg, not only will rasengan or kunai not kill him as ive explained earlier, oro is one the people that can remove the ftg tag from his body with the body shedding technique ;

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Ive no intention on replying to any quote, im merely giving my analysis n what weve seen so far and going byt that, oro wins with mid to high difficulty
 

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This base never ceases to amaze me. Regardless, Minato isn't winning this on any front. Fushi Tensei and the poisonous fumes from his body - in case he gets severely wounded and reveals his true form - alone should lend Orochimaru the victory. I am not even counting the paralysis genjutsu he used on Sakura and Sasuke.

If he gets under the tag influence, he simply uses oral rebirth or uses his thousand snakes to simply kill Minato. He is teleporting any where on the battle-field in such a scenario. Given his present upgrade with Senju Dna, the man would be able to abuse these indefinitely. Orochimaru wins this quite easily, as not only was the the first choice for Hokage given his strategic mind, but, he also seems quite battle savvy. Minato's FTG is a one trick pony kind of affair. It isn't complicated to figure Minato's next move, even someone like Bee anticipated Minato's appearance and pointed a sword at his stomach.
 

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I was going to argue for orochimaru because he most likely wins but ill just quote blaze releases post.
Most of his arguments come from snake summoning, something he will never be capable to use in a battle against Minato from the moment Minato would put a contract seal on him. Neither could he also summon rashoumon and everything he listed. Like i've stated on my first post on this thread, Orochimaru is hugely dependant on his summons, and it's for that reason Minato would be a bad match-up for him
No, it isn't. Even the radius is smaller.
I consider this destructive scale
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Greater than this:
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Don't you think?
 
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What can the Rasengan relay do against Orochimaru? Considering this
(see spoilers) had no affect, other then cosmetic. The answer is that Rasengan is useless against Orochimaru!
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Damn where was I when this was made?!?! -_-
 

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I honestly think people are underestimating Orochimaru here. The only offensive attack that Minato has shown is Rasegan which is quite powerful but it isnt doing jack shit against orochimaru. We his body literally get ripped to shreds in half by Naruto and it . Like I said Rasegan aint doing jack shit to this man. So that only leaves the use of FTG and sealing orochimaru.

We all know how Minato fights. His fighting style revolves around the use of his FTG seals more or less. As shown during the and against . Orochimaru can easily counter this with his . As you can clearly see Minato throwing his FTG kunai near or at Orochimaru is useless so that only leaves Minato marking the ground with his .

Gamabunta is a non factor here. He gets hit by Kusanagi sword more or less into the battle if Minato decides to summon him. Regarding the use of the Contract seal I admit it plays a large role and if he hits orochimaru with it and will leave orochimaru quite vulnerable but as shown orochimaru has plenty of snakes hidden within his body that do not require any form of hand seal or contract Orochimaru is still at a major disadvantage here with his summons gone due to the CT he still has plenty of snakes within his body.

Also straight from naruto wiki it removes any direct control the summoner has over a summoned creature. Hint hint it saids Summoned Creature not SUMMONS which apply to more than one summon so even if gets hit with the CT it only applies to one summon. Not every single one.

As shown Orochimaru is capable of Literally merging into any environment or object as we see When minato realizes Orochimaru merging into the ground he will have to be on his guard and be prepared for any surprised attack. If anything he will try to sense orochimaru with But this can also leave Minato very vulnerable at the same time since his whole blindside is left open.

Orochimaru's speed really shouldnt be underrated.
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When he goes into his Snake tailed form his lower body changes form and his speed and agility greatly increases.

Minato actually doesnt want to get in Mid range of orochimaru and heres why. As shown during the forest of death while Orochimaru is fighting anko he uses his This is a short to mid range technique used by Orochimaru. If Minato were to, which he most likely would get in radius of this technique he will undoubtedly fall victim to paralysis.

After Minato gets paralyzed, Orochimaru will drain Minatos chakra by a single touch with no worries as he did against dsm kabuto[ ]

Just my 2 cents
 

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Doesn't work like that.

Water > Fire but I'm not going to say Zabuza > Madara.

Manda is the king of snakes, he's the strongest.

Slug and Toad having troubles against Snake. It does kind of work like that.
It happened in the manga.
 

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Slug and Toad having troubles against Snake. It does kind of work like that.
It happened in the manga.

Actually its slug > snake > toad > slug. ( like the rock > scissors >paper > rock )
 

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Slug and Toad having troubles against Snake. It does kind of work like that.
It happened in the manga.

Uhm no, a certain slug and a certain toad had a problem against a certain snake.

Manda is the king of snakes, well above anyone else. He withstood Deidara's C0.

Not only that, all other snakes Oro has are featless and get solo'd by contract seal. Furthermore, Manda turns on Oro.

People are wanking durability way too much. Okay, Oro lives through a Rasengan. What about the other 100 that follow? Rasengan doesn't take much chakra to use, Oral Rebirth does.
 

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Uhm no, a certain slug and a certain toad had a problem against a certain snake.

Manda is the king of snakes, well above anyone else. He withstood Deidara's C0.

Not only that, all other snakes Oro has are featless and get solo'd by contract seal. Furthermore, Manda turns on Oro.

People are wanking durability way too much. Okay, Oro lives through a Rasengan. What about the other 100 that follow? Rasengan doesn't take much chakra to use, Oral Rebirth does.

Can you prove this or not?
 

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Most of his arguments come from snake summoning, something he will never be capable to use in a battle against Minato from the moment Minato would put a contract seal on him. Neither could he also summon rashoumon and everything he listed. Like i've stated on my first post on this thread, Orochimaru is hugely dependant on his summons, and it's for that reason Minato would be a bad match-up for him
I consider this destructive scale
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Greater than this:
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Don't you think?

Regarding the greater damage between minatos rasegan and tsunade punches..

pretty much did the same amount or greater damage compared to Minatos rasegan.

So if we take into account of tsunades more chakra focused punches.. It's pretty self explanatory.
 

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I think KCM minato could beat orochimaru definitely. But if we go by what his base has, then he loses.
 

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Lawl, KCM MInato would stomp Oro.

Base is already enough to beat him.

I don't get why people wank Orochimaru or his fanfiction stamina which doesn't exist.
 

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minato i dont remember orochimaru having speed featsplus we still dont know what kcm minato can do
 

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Lawl, KCM MInato would stomp Oro.

Base is already enough to beat him.

I don't get why people wank Orochimaru or his fanfiction stamina which doesn't exist
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He never run out of chakra. Just saying.
 

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I think Minato wins. Minato has a great defense. Also, Orochimaru can't regenerate forever. Eventually, his body will give out. Just like it did with Naruto. Also, Minato could most likely be ale to seal him as he regenerates.
 
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