Minato Namikaze vs EMS Itachi Uchiha

[Strict]

Kabuto said power not chakra. Power can be related to strength, ninjutsu, taijutsu and everything. Obviously if all yours skills are halved, not surprising he won't be capable to use such a complex jutsu like Jinton

Power means Chakra, which is the source of the techniques. Halved power doesn't result in an inability to use techniques which he is already capable of to use.

As for Itachi, even if he wasn't at his limit, he was close to it because we rarely see Itachi turning off his Sharingan. If he did that there, it shows he was having issues especially since once again, he requested a rest

Does that change the fact, that Itachi used Tsukuyomi, endured it being broken, set on fire a huge area with Amaterasu, deleted it once and used Susanoo for several minutes, along with ordinary Genjutsu, Ninjutsu, all in one fight? No, it doesn't change that fact, it happened.

I don't know where you got it doesn't. Sasuke and Madara are reincarnations of an entity possessing such a powerful chakra it travels through generations and generations. You can't compare them to Itachi.

Doesn't change the fact that Sasuke reached his limit even before Itachi. Doesn't change the fact that Sasuke was completely exhausted after the fight against Danzo, as he was exhausted against the other Kage and felt pain in every cell due to the usage of Susanoo. Despite we know now that Naruto felt Indra's presence in Sasuke back then, shortly after his fight with Danzo.

Yet, with the EMS, he spammed MS techniques and used Susanoo without any exhaustion. It's all about putting 1 and 1 together.

 

[Bogard]

kisame is part 1 kakashi level ? bro are you serious ? kisame is mid kage level, he alone can compete with jiraiya no problem, itachi could have 1 shotted jiraiya with the tsukuyomi he use on sasuke or the amaterasu he used on the wall...you can't be serious if you think kisame is a non factor for jiraiya, also you answered the only off topic thing that i wrote

Itachi said in part1 that if Kisame were to fight part1 Kakashi, he won't get away scot free, which means that to his point of view, they were on a similar level and that was even before actually noticing Kakashi mastered his Sharingan(more than he actually expected)

Power means Chakra, which is the source of the techniques. Halved power doesn't result in an inability to use techniques which he is already capable of to use.


Does that change the fact, that Itachi used Tsukuyomi, endured it being broken, set on fire a huge area with Amaterasu, deleted it once and used Susanoo for several minutes, along with ordinary Genjutsu, Ninjutsu, all in one fight? No, it doesn't change that fact, it happened.


Doesn't change the fact that Sasuke reached his limit even before Itachi. Doesn't change the fact that Sasuke was completely exhausted after the fight against Danzo, as he was exhausted against the other Kage and felt pain in every cell due to the usage of Susanoo. Despite we know now that Naruto felt Indra's presence in Sasuke back then, shortly after his fight with Danzo.

Yet, with the EMS, he spammed MS techniques and used Susanoo without any exhaustion. It's all about putting 1 and 1 together.

Naruto can't form rasengan with one hand despite possessing much more chakra than Kakashi. Genma's group can't use Hiraishin when they are alone despite knowing all the workings of the jutsu and applicating it while together. When one half is missing, you can lack the necessary skill to perform a technique you can use while complete

As for Itachi, all in all he used MS 4times with other jutsus around something pitful compared to what war arc Kakashi ever displayed and he is nowhere near Sasuke's chakra reserve. Enduring tsukuyomi being broken doesn't affect his chakra reserve at all btw

Chakra can bloom. Asura originally had weak chakra but he bloomed it to the point of matching his genius brothers. During the Kage summit, Sasuke was constantly receiving some boost of chakra to the point at some point Karin wasn't even recognising it. Even after said to be low on chakra after the fight against Danzo, he was still capable to form a stronger Susanoo against Kakashi. I think it's the same thing that was happening with Sasuke(constant chakra grow) considering the fact his stamina kept growing time after time from part1 to now.

 

[WreckRoll]

Itachi said in part1 that if Kisame were to fight part1 Kakashi, he won't get away scot free, which means that to his point of view, they were on a similar level and that was even before actually noticing Kakashi mastered his Sharingan(more than he actually expected)

or maybe he was trying to convince kisame to hold back since itachi is a konoha spy...he had all the reasons to deceive kisame and the feats confirm this, itachi could have killed jiraiya any second you can't deny that, and once again we go off topic even more, if you don't disagree or don't want to counted what i said about itachi's stamina than don't just nitpick unnecessary things, what i tried to point out was that itachi could have lied about how tired he was just like he lied when he said that both of them together could not handle jiraiya, itachi also didn't look worn like he and sasuke looked when they were overusing their ms in part 2, i'm not saying that the ms use didn't affect him and that he wasn't tired but he didn't look at his limit at all

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@Bold - >>>>>>>>>>

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@underline -thanks a bunch man,I gave it a try up there,did it worked

touching the ground won't make him sense amaterasu, he could not detect tobi sneaking up on him like muu so he is not a good sensor, he surely can't detect amaterasu since he doesn't have rinnegan and therefore considering my arguments from my previous post itachi takes this

 

[enditallsin]

Minato takes this...child's play..

 

[Bogard]

or maybe he was trying to convince kisame to hold back since itachi is a konoha spy...he had all the reasons to deceive kisame and the feats confirm this, itachi could have killed jiraiya any second you can't deny that, and once again we go off topic even more, if you don't disagree or don't want to counted what i said about itachi's stamina than don't just nitpick unnecessary things, what i tried to point out was that itachi could have lied about how tired he was just like he lied when he said that both of them together could not handle jiraiya, itachi also didn't look worn like he and sasuke looked when they were overusing their ms in part 2

For me everything shows he was low on chakra. Now you think he was lying. What is the point in discussing about it then considering we have total different point of views on the matter? Same goes for the Itachi vs Jiraya debate

 

[Strict]

Considering that Amaterasu consists of Chakra and normally only small amounts of flames are created with each usage [

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an amount of flames becomes a considerable feat. As it's a difference to use Susanoo for a minute or maintain it for 10.

And of course, physical strain also affects your stamina.

Tsukuyomi, when breaking, put a great strain to Itachi's eyes and body.
Deleting Amaterasu, which Itachi did, also puts a great strain to your eyes and body and naturally affects your Chakra, similar to the usage of Amaterasu. [

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And of course, his disease put another strain to his body.

Those things don't affect your Chakra in the first place (apart from deleting Amaterasu), but physical strain affects your stamina. You can't fight with pain in every cell, with eyes that are almost blind, with a bad heart that strains your body massively and makes you cough a massive amount of blood. The stamina of a healthy Itachi would be on another level. In the end, he died because of his disease. He had his Susanoo activated to the very last moment and died. Susanoo demoting when Itachi grabbed his chest and coughed blood shows again how that strain can affect you.

 

[Memento Mori]

or maybe he was trying to convince kisame to hold back since itachi is a konoha spy...he had all the reasons to deceive kisame and the feats confirm this, itachi could have killed jiraiya any second you can't deny that, and once again we go off topic even more, if you don't disagree or don't want to counted what i said about itachi's stamina than don't just nitpick unnecessary things, what i tried to point out was that itachi could have lied about how tired he was just like he lied when he said that both of them together could not handle jiraiya, itachi also didn't look worn like he and sasuke looked when they were overusing their ms in part 2, i'm not saying that the ms use didn't affect him and that he wasn't tired but he didn't look at his limit at all



touching the ground won't make him sense amaterasu, he could not detect tobi sneaking up on him like muu so he is not a good sensor, he surely can't detect amaterasu since he doesn't have rinnegan and therefore considering my arguments from my previous post itachi takes this

Not just touching,by sensing the movements of Itachi,change in chakra developement,he can dodge them all

For supporting Minato is sensor some more scans

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[WreckRoll]

For me everything shows he was low on chakra. Now you think he was lying. What is the point in discussing about it then considering we have total different point of views on the matter? Same goes for the Itachi vs Jiraya debate

bro what stopped itachi from burning him with the amaterasu he used on the wall or mindraping him with the tsukuyomi he used on sasuke ?

he may have been low on chakra but he could definitely keep fighting if he needed to since he could run around no problem, when sasuke was low on chakra he could hardly move, also sick itachi outlasted hebi sasuke, edo itachi used susanoo without a sweat, come on, manga and databook both point it out, he has enough stamina to keep up susanoo for enough time if he gets ems and is healthy, you must have a reason to have a different opinion from somebody else or you just become a fanboy, if we can't change out opinions there is no point in debating anything ever, agree to disagree doesn't exist

 

[shelke]

EMS Itachi shits on Minato, Base or No base. With EMS, it means he can maintain Yata for much longer. Let's see Minato getting his fruity ass through within 5 minutes. After that, he's fodder level before an EMS user.

 

[UchiGod Itachi]

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Why didn't you post the whole thing lol Indra & his descendants inherited his strong chakra.

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Learn the concept ninjutsu & genjutsu takes up small portion of chakra clearly if the gates limit the chakra the body can use think about it divide someone ,Stamina isn't chakra learn to comprehend if that was the case Sasori would have unlimited chakra lmao.

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kotoamatsukami solo no dif

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[King Of Pop]

Alive Minato, no Kurama solos EMS Sasuke as well as EMS Itachi.

Accuse me of being a Minato fanboy, I dare you.

The only person Minato will have trouble against is a healthy Nagato.
both people of which solo Itachi

Gtfo, Ems sasuke shitss on alive minato

 

[LustyLover]

I think someone on here said they have a scan from the manga stating how fast the Totsuka Blade pierces. Anyone care to show me?

 

[Gold Lightning]

I think someone on here said they have a scan from the manga stating how fast the Totsuka Blade pierces. Anyone care to show me?

Not faster than FTG that's for sure

 

[Forbidden Tale]

Healthy Itachi with EMS.

This is how i would rank these two characters.

EMS Itachi > Edo Minato > Healthy Itachi > Alive Minato > Sick Itachi.

So yeah this form of Itachi win.

 

[Bronze]

MS Itachi is enough for mid and high difficulty victory.​

 

[Valhorus]

Healthy Itachi with EMS.

This is how i would rank these two characters.

EMS Itachi > Edo Minato > Healthy Itachi > Alive Minato > Sick Itachi.

So yeah this form of Itachi win.

Edo Minato > EMS Itachi >= Alive Minato > Healthy/Sick Itachi. There .

 

[Forbidden Tale]

Edo Minato > EMS Itachi >= Alive Minato > Healthy/Sick Itachi. There .

You're free to believe whatever you want.

 

[Red Slayer]

BM Minato wins

 

[Rock Chee]

EMS Itachi ? What does he get with EMS ?

He can stay healthy

 

[ARGUS]

If its EMS Itachi vs Base Minato,,
then itachi would win this,,,

If its EMS Itachi vs BM Minato,,
then Minato would win