Minato more talened then Sauske and Itachi

[huzaifa555]

Thread maker you need to define universally the meanignof the word talented before making this kind of threads

Without setting a general line one can make arbitrary conclusion such as yours any day of the week

I can define Lee as a geniu of hard work

I can define Sasori for being a fu*king genius in recreating human puppetts

I can define Sasuke as genius for manipulating real lighting(real lightning for heavens sake)

I can define Itachi as genius for stretching the limits of the illusionary techniques

And the list goes on and on

It's easy to pick some characters statements and let them pass as universal fact when they aren't

You somehow say the uchia's are not talented because they have magic eyes,but forget to mention that those eyes need to be awakened,and trained meticulously for them to achieve their full potential

Not many uchia can cast genjutsu like Itachi's Tsukuyomi,nor can shape Amaterasu into the Kagutsuchi.

To master the yes skills and talent are required

Sasuke and Itachi trained to get where they are,and I must say they demonstrated their genius level talent in mastering the Mangekyou in no time,despite the sever drawbacks from it's use

It's too convenient to say they had the magic eyes and Minato didn't,it's clear that the uchia develope their fighting style with the gift mother nature gives them.If they didn't have the sharingan,then they would develope a diverse fighting style

So there's no Uchia without sharingan to measure their talent,you need to take that into account as it's part of their entity from the moment they exhale their first breath



Just as the Uchia train to master their eyes

Your Uchia downgrading is disgusting



Man so wrong on so many accounts

But show me where Obito started owning,as I can't properly recall

What I remebered is Obito getting demolished by a rock slide



fu*king narutobase troll that kills the fun in debating

This is like saying because Hashirama beat Madara in the valley end,now he will surely beat Madara with the Rinnegan

God the logic is so flawed that it's even a sin to call that logic

Typical Minato fanboy argument btw,nothing suprising,arguments that rely on outdated statements,and flash backs

Well there's nothing left besides that so I can sympathize with you people,your fav is in the death god's belly forever

so the past is the only thing you can cling on

The only reason I think hes more talented is because what Jariya said and read everything what I said. I said idk everything about him so I am basing this statement on that.

 

[Ryuu..]

Kakashi graduated at the age of 5(2 years before Itach) and achieved chunin rank at the age of 6(4 years before Itachi), which he did all without the sharingan. Does that make Kakashi more talented than Itachi? Achieving something at a younger age doesn't make one more talented. And Itachi had the benefit of his sharingan while Minato had no such advantage.

An example would be Gaara who's become the kazekage at the age of 16. I guess he's more talented than Minato, Hiruzen, Tobirama, Itachi, and etc because he achieved the highest rank possible at the age of 16.

It doesn't work like that.

Kakashi is also very talented.

Minato IMO is a genius because he was an exceptional shinobi with quite a limited move set. However, I would say Itachi is more talented because everything seemed to be so easy for him. And yes alot of things he did/learned were before the age of 16. I prefer Minato but I think Itachi is more talented.

 

[huzaifa555]

Progressing at a fast rate doesn't mean one is more talented. It simply means they gained power at a very young age as Itachi did. Did he work for MS? No. All that had to happen was for him to feel the loss of his best friend Shisui and it awakened.

Minato on the other hand invented 3 A/S rank jutsu in the rasengan, FTG, and reaper death seal. I'd love to see Itachi do that. Not to mention Jiraiya stated Minato to have talent seen once a decade at best.

Give Minato the MS and I bet he can own Orochimaru, Kurenai, and Kakashi at that age as well. Minato became a top tier shinobi without the advantages that the sharingan bring, which is why IMO he is more talented.

If you mean being handed power up after power up then yea Naruto and Sasuke are progessing at a faster rate.

It didn't take talent for Naruto to have the kyuubi and use BM, only talk no jutsu and have it sealed within you(by Minato). It didn't take talent for Sasuke to unlock MS and EMS, only feel the lost of one closest to you and implant your brothers eyes.

It was stated in part 1 he could beat oro I forgot which character said i wish he was here to defeat oro.

 

[Owarij]

If the databook is fact then every susanoo comes with yata mirror and the sword of totsuka right? It never says they're only unique to Itachi and states them as if they're regular weapons for all susanoos.

As for your scan, here.

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No MS active yet he's still holding his eye in pain after using a genjutsu.

All I'm saying is that perhaps only Itachi had to awaken amaterasu and tsukuyomi to use susanoo since it was only referring to his susanoo in the databook.

It's never been stated in the manga that Sasuke possesses tsukuyomi. He clearly says only those who possess the DOUBLE MANGKEYOU can use susanoo. No mention of tsukuyomi being a requirement.

Maybe you should stop being so close-minded and actually think about it instead of ignoring everything that differentiates with your beliefs.



I don't know. Why would he activate MS to use a simple genjutsu here?

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Well played, i fked up and missed that scan :|


in any case I don't believe databook was refering to only itachi's susanno..or itachi on the whole..

the only part that was refering to itachi's susanno alone was when they talked about his susanno items..

when they were talking about how one can unlock the power of susanno, they said they need tsukyomi and amaterasu..

 

[-Vegeta-]

Well played, i fked up and missed that scan :|


in any case I don't believe databook was refering to only itachi's susanno..or itachi on the whole..

the only part that was refering to itachi's susanno alone was when they talked about his susanno items..

when they were talking about how one can unlock the power of susanno, they said they need tsukyomi and amaterasu..

I'm not dismissing the idea of Sasuke having tsukuyomi, I just don't think there's enough concrete evidence to say so as of right now, but meh that's just my opinion.

 

[iSpeak]

I don't recall tsukyomi ever forcing someone to say something or give you information. Last time I checked it was a mind torture jutsu.

It's no different than what Sasuke did to Zetsu here.

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It doesn't seem anything like tsukuyomi to me.

Tsukuyomi can do the same things a normal genjutsu can, its not just for mind torture. It can copy the real world environment to make the genjutsu seem real (like what Itachi did to Sasuke). Madara/Tobi is using Tsukuyomi for their plan which shows that it can control aswell.

Plus, Suigetsu states "Those eyes are getting way too rigged", which shows it was an MS genjutsu he used and not a normal one.

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[-Vegeta-]

Tsukuyomi can do the same things a normal genjutsu can, its not just for mind torture. It can copy the real world environment to make the genjutsu seem real (like what Itachi did to Sasuke). Madara/Tobi is using Tsukuyomi for their plan which shows that it can control aswell.

Plus, Suigetsu states "Those eyes are getting way too rigged", which shows it was an MS genjutsu he used.

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Suigetsu saying that doesn't really imply it was a MS genjutsu being used. It could've simply meant that Sasuke's genjutsu strengthened with the acquisition of the MS, which wouldn't come as surprise.

I don't know why people believe that if he uses a genjutsu with his MS it has to be tsukuyomi. He could very well of used the genjutsu because it's stronger when used in conjunction with his MS.

From what we've seen tsukuyomi do that doesn't look anything like it. I'm basing this off of what we've seen and know, not simple speculation.

To each his own though.

Anyway I'm tired, so this is my last post.

 

[partha420]

Sure U_U

 

[Virus..]

Not that talent but yes he kinda is..

 

[Zohaku]

Jiraiya didn't really know Itachi as far as I know. He taught the Fourth so of course he's going to be biased. Not to say that Minato was weak, but to claim he's immediately more talented ... Every character has his strengths and weaknesses and both the Fourth and the two Uchihas are talented.
And of course the Uchihas are strong because of their eyes - it's where their power lies. It's like saying a Jinchuuriki is only strong because of their bijuu.
I don't know who would win in a fight between the two Uchihas and Minato, but in my opinion they are both talented in their own way.

I agree another point that people be saying is that sasuke has been getting his powers from everyone else maybe thats true but you can say that for naruto too i mean he has gotten most of his power from the nine tails.

 

[Uchihas with Big Guns]

he is definetly more than sasuke, dont know bout itachi though.

Kill your self hater...

Naruto kakashi sasuke itachi are four shinobi that surpassed him...

And all that genius talk is irrelevant due to both uchiha are genius in fact orochimaru was the same kinda genius kakashi is a genius & sasuke has surpassed both

As far as talent both bothers shown WAY MORE SKILLS & STRATEGIES PERIOD. So you cannot judge the talent levels prematurely

 

[shogun973]

well itachi at like 12 6th grade was in anbu while naruto and sasuke were benin, so i think not

 

[Totsuka No Tsurugi]

idk if sharingan can boost someone iQ LOL

 

[d33zy91]

I don't think so but then again we haven't seen much of him n plus sasuke still has time to grow.u acting like sasukes his age or something. N I highly doubt he can be compared to itachi.

 

[naruttebayo]

Kakashi graduated at the age of 5(2 years before Itach) and achieved chunin rank at the age of 6(4 years before Itachi), which he did all without the sharingan. Does that make Kakashi more talented than Itachi.

An example would be Gaara who's become the kazekage at the age of 16. I guess he's more talented than Minato, Hiruzen, Tobirama, Itachi, and etc because he achieved the highest rank possible at the age of 16.

It doesn't work like that.

sure gaara and kakashi are more talented than anybody else .

 

[ntel]

Don't underestimate minato.He wasn't called the 4th Hokage without reason.We have only seen abit of techniques minato has used.If only he didn't die

 

[ntel]

Itachi is amazing as well.He was a prodigy even among his clan.

Sasuke just got handouts.No skill tbh

 

[Uchihas with Big Guns]

Rapid progression & success at a young age takes intelligence & talent so kakashi itachi orochimaru & even sasuke can be considered more talented but I won't say that because we don't know enough about minato or his stats for the same reason he isn't more talented than ANY CHARACTER that is considered a genius or extremely powerful

 

[Sephy100]

Sasuke just got handouts?? Last time I checked Naruto also got handouts. Naruto got rasengan, SM, help learning to master BM, and he even stole the scroll to learn Multiple Shadow Clone Jutsu. Sasukegot Chidori and did the something that Naruto did which was evolve it to make it his own. He even created his own jutsu ,Kirin. He had to learn by himself how to control Amaterasu and Susanoo. He also developed Blaze Release and he created his own style of Susanoo. It's clear that on this board people just hate on Sasuke.

 

[Uchihas with Big Guns]

Sasuke is clearly the most hated character lmao