Minato/Kakashi vs Madara/Itachi?

[Thundergod123]

People choosing team 1 are not thinking about the OP Rinnegan master Madara. Kakashi only went on par with Kayuga due to plot and it lasted one chapter so who cares? The real fight here is Madara vs Minato and Madara >>> Minato

Itachi>=<Kakashi

madara extracts Biju and CT's it gg

Minato doesn't even need to use BM, and did you heard about FTG? I am pretty sure Kakashi and Minato has one of the best strategy to combine their FTG and Double Kamui, and that's when both of them are giving Madara some hard time.

 

[Bronze]

Dude, please read the manga... This is Madara with ONLY Rinengan ( Not Juubi Jin ) Madara doesn't have Ying-Yang chakra from Hagoromo. It is just the same as Pain got damaged against Naruto, lel. But the point is, you should show the fact where Madara has Rikudo's chakra without being Juubi Jinchuriki. You have to be Juubi jin to avoid damage. Please stop, this is a post where Team 1 fights Team 2. Why don't people actually care about Itachi's skills? He is the main character here since his strategy can actually match against both Space-Time users.

You're posting useless stuff that has nothing to do with the topic. Indra's Chakra is Yin and Ashura's Chakra is Yang; Madara mixed both of them, and that is how he awoke the Rinnegan and Hagoromo's Chakra.

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Why is this so hard to understand?​

 

[FleeOnSight]

People choosing team 1 are not thinking about the OP Rinnegan master Madara. Kakashi only went on par with Kayuga due to plot and it lasted one chapter so who cares? The real fight here is Madara vs Minato and Madara >>> Minato

Itachi>=<Kakashi

madara extracts Biju and CT's it gg

You killed your own post when you said Kakashi went on par with kaguya who shits on rinnegan Madara. Think before you post. There is nothing Madara can do about kamui. No one can deal with double kamui. Single kamui is hard enough.

 

[xxSAGExx]

Double Kamui Kakashi, lel.

Hmm. Madara already knows both Kamui and it's weakness while Kakashi doesn't know about Kamui 5 min limit on the intangibility. Also Kakashi already said his left eye was going blind and he needed to be very close to Kamui snipe so I don't see him being that much of a game changer. He has shown to be able to fight genjutsu now as he fought Obito's genjutsu off but I don't see him beating Madara with that. Kakashi can't see Limbos so wouldn't know when to go intangible and he can't stay intangible as it has a limit plus he'll run out of chakra fast. It would give Minato more of a chance but Madara can simply overwhelm them with wood clones as he did to the 5 Kages which he called child's play. I'm not talking about Itachi because I don't see him beating either of the two since he can't hit Kakashi and can't track a Minato's base moves so I see them taking Itachi out first then working together to beat Madara and fail.

You're putting master and student together who have experiences fighting together with Madara and a Itachi who never met and have different personalities so idk if they could work together as well as team 1 or Madara would sit back, let team 1 beat Itachi all so he can have more fun with them. Madara loves fighting while Itachi was a pacifist who usually fights after he's attacked.

 

[Bronze]

You say I am going off assumtions. Provide the scan that states only rikudo Senjutsu works on Madara and I will conceed this argument to you. Because I do not recall this ever being stated.

Also I don't care if Madara's Limbo are a result of Hashi's senjutsu or not. My argument still stands. Also provide proof that only Rikudo sage mode can sense Limbo Clones. Because Naruto has been a sensor ever since he required Frog Sage mode. I have seen no notable differnce in this ability due to his rikudo powerup. Provide the scans to prove your points please or stop trying to belittle me

because you really don't have any of this based in fact yourself. U_U

Where did I ever say that Rikudou's Senjutsu needs to work on Madara's body? Did you seriously ignore the scan? I just posted it right in front of you:

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Madara says ''no one should be able to see or sense Limb from the real world''. This means no normal Sennin Mode can sense Limbo or any eye can see it. However, he later says ''How did they obtain such power?''. Sasuke has gotten the Rinnegan, which is how he is able to see Limbo. Naruto has gotten the Senjutsu of 6 Paths, which is how he's able to sense Limbo. See...it's not that hard?​

 

[Thundergod123]

You're posting useless stuff that has nothing to do with the topic. Indra's Chakra is Yin and Ashura's Chakra is Yang; Madara mixed both of them, and that is how he awoke the Rinnegan and Hagoromo's Chakra.

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Why is this so hard to understand?​

As I said, where did the manga stated that only Rikudo's chakra can only damage Madara? Imagine 8th Guy fighting Madara with no Juubi Jin, and Juubi Jin Madara got half of his body disappeared in an instant, so now without it, how can he withstand such a large of power? You are talking this like it is just for yourself, and Madara needed Zetsu to regenarate his arms, and then again like always without Juubi Jin, you can actually never regenarate back your bodies. Senjutsu and Taijutsu works well against Madara and you know that.

 

[Umari Senju]

Hmm. Madara already knows both Kamui and it's weakness while Kakashi doesn't know about Kamui 5 min limit on the intangibility. Also Kakashi already said his left eye was going blind and he needed to be very close to Kamui snipe so I don't see him being that much of a game changer. He has shown to be able to fight genjutsu now as he fought Obito's genjutsu off but I don't see him beating Madara with that. Kakashi can't see Limbos so wouldn't know when to go intangible and he can't stay intangible as it has a limit plus he'll run out of chakra fast. It would give Minato more of a chance but Madara can simply overwhelm them with wood clones as he did to the 5 Kages which he called child's play. I'm not talking about Itachi because I don't see him beating either of the two since he can't hit Kakashi and can't track a Minato's base moves so I see them taking Itachi out first then working together to beat Madara and fail.

You're putting master and student together who have experiences fighting together with Madara and a Itachi who never met and have different personalities so idk if they could work together as well as team 1 or Madara would sit back, let team 1 beat Itachi all so he can have more fun with them. Madara loves fighting while Itachi was a pacifist who usually fights after he's attacked.

@ part in bold....XD Kakashi was figured this out as well as how it works and how to counter it. I think you forgot the fight against Obito and the edo jins.

You make good points on the others. I am not trying to down play Madara or Itachi here. But no Kakashi's eyes stop going blind after he received the double Kamui Sharingan which is the Kakashi we are talking about here. You know the one who sliced and Kamuied the Rabbit Beast's arms/tail, Black Raikiri'd her with senjutsu from the Rikudo, and forced kaguya into her into defense.

Plot or know, it's still Manga fact that Kakashi took her on in this form. She is stronger than Madara, so does everyone think Kakashi can't hold his own against madara who isn't a rikudo jin in this scenario?

 

[Bronze]

As I said, where did the manga stated that only Rikudo's chakra can only damage Madara? Imagine 8th Guy fighting Madara with no Juubi Jin, and Juubi Jin Madara got half of his body disappeared in an instant, so now without it, how can he withstand such a large of power? You are talking this like it is just for yourself, and Madara needed Zetsu to regenarate his arms, and then again like always without Juubi Jin, you can actually never regenarate back your bodies. Senjutsu and Taijutsu works well against Madara and you know that.

Do you read or can you read, or you just like spamming off-topic? The bold and underlined have nothing to do with the topic of this thread. Stop spamming random shit. I never said you need Rikudou's Chakra to damage Madara. I said you need Rikudou's Chakra to damage Limbo.

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[Umari Senju]

Where did I ever say that Rikudou's Senjutsu needs to work on Madara's body? Did you seriously ignore the scan? I just posted it right in front of you:

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Madara says ''no one should be able to see or sense Limb from the real world''. This means no normal Sennin Mode can sense Limbo or any eye can see it. However, he later says ''How did they obtain such power?''. Sasuke has gotten the Rinnegan, which is how he is able to see Limbo. Naruto has gotten the Senjutsu of 6 Paths, which is how he's able to sense Limbo. See...it's not that hard?​

That is your interperation of it not hard concrete evidence. But for the sake of ending your condescending tone I will conceed this to you. Point taken. Now how bout the rest? any proof on my other arguments? Like you need Rikudo Senjutsu to hurt Madara? still waiting on that.

 

[abouda123]

DMS Kakasho solos . PS along with double amui , Kamui shirukens , rikudo s chakra , speed to blitz Kaguya and Kamui raikiri

 

[Thundergod123]

Where did I ever say that Rikudou's Senjutsu needs to work on Madara's body? Did you seriously ignore the scan? I just posted it right in front of you:

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Madara says ''no one should be able to see or sense Limb from the real world''. This means no normal Sennin Mode can sense Limbo or any eye can see it. However, he later says ''How did they obtain such power?''. Sasuke has gotten the Rinnegan, which is how he is able to see Limbo. Naruto has gotten the Senjutsu of 6 Paths, which is how he's able to sense Limbo. See...it's not that hard?​

So, you are saying that the fact Hagoromo gave them was to deal with Madara? Hagoromo knew that Kaguya would have taken over. Hagoromo can see people around the real world and he fly like a ghost. Madara even stated by using his Limbo ONCE against 9 Bijuus forced him to use a lot of chakra as stated by the manga. He said to himself if he exeggerates, he would likely lose a lot of chakra. Limbo doesn't mean you can solo both of them. Alive Minato is stronger than his Edo form, and Kakashi did fight along with Minato as a team before, and both knows well how their jutsus most likely works according to what Itachi doesn't know what Limbo even means, while Madara never heard about Itachi.

Some of you say, Madara alone can solo both of them, but you are underestimating them. Neither can madara without juubi, also Minato has mastered the Uzumaki fuuinjutsus, him and Kakashi are master strategist/tacticians. Kamui would go through limbo rather easily, from there one coordinated combo Kamui Raikiri + FTG lvl 2 would wreck madara. No regenerating from that, dude.

 

[Dantе]

This is biased team up.

Itachi can solo neg dif and I'm not even wanking.

 

[Thundergod123]

DMS Kakasho solos . PS along with double amui , Kamui shirukens , rikudo s chakra , speed to blitz Kaguya and Kamui raikiri

Minato combines his FTG with Double Kamui > Madara in no time.

 

[Bronze]

That is your interperation of it not hard concrete evidence. But for the sake of ending your condescending tone I will conceed this to you. Point taken. Now how bout the rest? any proof on my other arguments? Like you need Rikudo Senjutsu to hurt Madara? still waiting on that.

Never said you need Rikudou Senjutsu to hurt Madara.​

 

[xxSAGExx]

@ part in bold....XD Kakashi was figured this out as well as how it works and how to counter it. I think you forgot the fight against Obito and the edo jins.

You make good points on the others. I am not trying to down play Madara or Itachi here. But no Kakashi's eyes stop going blind after he received the double Kamui Sharingan which is the Kakashi we are talking about here. You know the one who sliced and Kamuied the Rabbit Beast's arms/tail, Black Raikiri'd her with senjutsu from the Rikudo, and forced kaguya into her into defense.

Plot or know, it's still Manga fact that Kakashi took her on in this form. She is stronger than Madara, so does everyone think Kakashi can't hold his own against madara who isn't a rikudo jin in this scenario?

Kakashi never knew about the 5 minutes limit, he only knew Obito had to be tangible to attack and that their Kamui's are connected. Only Madara, Obito, Nagato, and Konan knew about the limit. Also Madara is a stronger fighter than Kaguya, he was only nerfed since Kishi wouldn't let him use wood clones, wood jutsus, katon jutsus, any Rinnegan jutsus (Deva, absorb ninjutsus, weapon path, summon), or his Susanoo. 1 Rinnegan Madara could have beat Naruto and Sasuke how they were in that fight with wood clones who can also use limbo, Deva path, absorb ninjutsu, share vision, and all of his jutsus but that would have beat them and never let the manga be where it is now so plot played it's role.

Kakashi wasn't fighting Kaguya alone and if you put Madara in that situation with Kakashi then TSB pierce PS making Kakashi go intangible, Deva path repel Kamui shurikens back at Kakashi if he throws them, absorb black chidori or use Deva path to stop Kakashi from cutting him. Madara, Nagato, and Obito (with Rinnegans) know how to use all chakra natures so nothing stopping them from using dust release or this black jinton like attack that Juubito used and Hiruzen said it had at least 4 elements and resembled jinton (dust release)

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[ᖇ α z m α η]

Kakashi with DMS is pretty OP although he cannot maintain that state for long [He'll lose the Mangekyou] which puts him at a disadvantage against two sharingan users

Minato has the ability overpower Itachi due to speed and reflexes although same cannot be considered towards Madara [Who has better sensing ability due to senjutsu chakra - its part of Rinnegan Madara]

Limbo Hengoku negates Kamui and FTG [Cuz both Minato and Kakashi doesn't have the ability to sense or see em]

Madara and Itachi takes this one .​

 

[Thundergod123]

Do you read or can you read, or you just like spamming off-topic? The bold and underlined have nothing to do with the topic of this thread. Stop spamming random shit. I never said you need Rikudou's Chakra to damage Madara. I said you need Rikudou's Chakra to damage Limbo.

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Whatever you say, you have to stay with your own comments, since everyone must be thinking you were talking about only Rikudo's chakra that can only damage Madara. I can see another one here thought the same. Now since you only cares about Rikudo's chakra, then let me say this, Rikudo's chakra has nothing to do with this fight, any problem with that? If Madara cannot be damaged, then how can Senjutsu and Taijutsu damage him? Kamui goes through Limbo and I mentioned Kamui beats Madara, but I remember you said Rikudo's chakra cannot be beaten or damaged by Kamui? Well, that's when you changed your own topic.

You did not just talked about Limbo, however you know that you did write more about Rikudo' chakra itself explanations. You gave panels that did suit to the fact by the manga, and another thing is that I agree what you said earlier, but it doesn't change anything besides Rikudo's chakra. It really has nothing to do with this fight at all.

 

[xxxLegacy]

Team two...Itachi and madara can both defeat them alone.

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[Djokovic]

Limbo solos as Madara can easily evade their attacks. Tobirama tried a sneak attack which failed miserably, can you imagine if Madara is actualy prepared?

 

[wael reda]

DMS kakashi solos without much trouble
It is funny how people talk about limbo like it will beat kakashi and forget that madara can be one shot by kamui snipe fused with rikudo's chakra
Limbo can't break through PS ( rikudo enhanced PS ) neither can it hit intangible kakashi
Not because kakashi can't see or sense this limbo ,so he loses
Also when madara used limbo on biju ,they noticed that there are coming attack before it hit them

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,kakashi will notice too and get aware and use Susano or intangibility
Even if kakashi was stupid enough and didn't notice ,limbo won't kill kakashi with one punch ,will it?,so if kakashi was hit by invisible object ,he would use intangibility so that he wouldn't be hit again