Minato>Hashirama

Arugon · May 22, 2013

-Broly- said:
The added speed and power in kcm seem to be passive meaning that no matter if naruto is "trying" or not that they happen and theres really no evidence to say otherwise. Naruto had to try to fight itachi because kabuto was MAKING itachi fight in order to capture naruto, he didnt have a choice. And if you actually look at the blows i was talking about you'll see that the speed and force of them werent ones that someone would try to land if they werent trying to fight

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HadouKage · May 22, 2013

-Broly- said:
The added speed and power in kcm seem to be passive meaning that no matter if naruto is "trying" or not that they happen and theres really no evidence to say otherwise. Naruto had to try to fight itachi because kabuto was MAKING itachi fight in order to capture naruto, he didnt have a choice. And if you actually look at the blows i was talking about you'll see that the speed and force of them werent ones that someone would try to land if they werent trying to fight

What an illogical thing to say. I guess you don't remember what KM Naruto did to Kisame. Yes he can hold back, just as Madara was holding back against the Kages. Just as Nagato didn't use a Chou Shinra Tensei every time he used ST

eyesofthekyuubi44 · May 22, 2013

-Broly- said:
That doesnt matter, remember naruto had to defend himself because itachi wasnt on auto pilot then and kabuto was trying to actually capture him, also when in naruto did it become impossible to fight while talking when EVERYONE does it. Another thing is, even so, Itachi still had to keep up with naruto's blows regardless of talking or not and did it.

What do you mean "it doesn't matter"? I don't get how it could possibly NOT matter considering that Sasuke has always been Naruto's objective and the fact that Naruto wanted to see for himself if what Obito had told him was true, it VERY much matters.

We can't just pull stuff out of our asses here. Itachi was fighting to capture Naruto, true. But Naruto at the same time was fighting against an immortal Itachi with unlimited chakra and an undying body. It's kind of the same thing, since neither one can kill the other.

Not to mention the fact that Nagato was there, who is still quite a bit stronger than Bee is, putting team Akatsuki at the advantage in this situation.

As to when did it become impossible to fight while talking?

Well in most fights, talking doesn't really matter. All you are really doing is trying to get rid of a threat. Itachi was only a threat, but possessed information that Naruto wanted to know and Itachi, being a good guy, is more willing to give to Naruto who he had put his trust in. The talking made it conclusive to Naruto that Itachi was, indeed, on the side of the Allied Forces. Otherwise, Naruto may have just fully taken Kakashi's advice and took what Obito said with a grain of salt. I do realize that Naruto believed Obito somewhat, but Itachi made it prevalent that he was a good guy.

Steinbiz · May 22, 2013

-Broly- said:
other way around, hashirama's wood style renders kcm useless

When itachi was revived in edo naruto and him were trading blows and itachi easily was able to track and fight back against naruto in kcm

That's because Naruto wanted to ask questions, not kill him. Which Naruto already knew that taijutsu can't kill an edo, so why even try?

If Raikage could bltiz 3-tomeo Sasuke. KCM Naruto can blitz 3-tomeo Itachi. Not really that hard to understand.

iKaras · May 22, 2013

I'm waiting on the Minato> Edo Madara thread if I didn't miss it.

And nah, I'm not gonna put KM Minato over Hashirama. No way. Dude is the god of Shinobi.

wavy · May 22, 2013

Hashirama owned EMS Madara + susanoo'd kyuubi. Minato died to seal kyuubi and had help from kushina...

KCM won't* close the gap.

Lightning Release · May 22, 2013

Naruto was fighting defensively against Edo Itachi lol.

Minato's speed would be a huge problem for Hashirama. That's all im going to say.

-Broly- · May 22, 2013

Steinbiz said:
That's because Naruto wanted to ask questions, not kill him. Which Naruto already knew that taijutsu can't kill an edo, so why even try?

If Raikage could bltiz 3-tomeo Sasuke. KCM Naruto can blitz 3-tomeo Itachi. Not really that hard to understand.

You pretty much ended your own argument with this

If naruto is only a bit faster (it cant be all that much faster than raikage) in kcm and sasuke was EASILY able to react to that then why isnt itachi able to react to naruto?

valandil988 · May 22, 2013

Minato got KCM after death ergo it doesn't count.

iKaras · May 22, 2013

Isn't Minato's power up gonna be short lived anyway? Its damn near canon he's gonna give that other half to Naruto.

Shinichi Izumi · May 22, 2013

all hail the new solo king

Minato!

:hooray:

Arugon · May 22, 2013

-Broly- said:
You pretty much ended your own argument with this

If naruto is only a bit faster (it cant be all that much faster than raikage) in kcm and sasuke was EASILY able to react to that then why isnt itachi able to react to naruto?

We are talking about Minato, not Naruto. KM=Extreme Speed+Power Boost.
Minato's Base speed>>>Naruto's. With just FTG, he was able to fodderize Raikage. Now that he has KM, he is unrivaled in speed. That alone makes him faster than KM Naruto, not even including FTG.

valandil988 said:
Minato got KCM after death ergo it doesn't count.

Nope, he had Kurama Chakra for a few minutes pre-death. Meaning if he didn't die, Minato could go KM.

Confusion said:
Isn't Minato's power up gonna be short lived anyway? Its damn near canon he's gonna give that other half to Naruto.

this is true, unfortunately

SenjuItama said:
all hail the new solo king

Minato!

:hooray:

ALL HAIL!!! :whip:

HadouKage · May 22, 2013

-Broly- said:
You pretty much ended your own argument with this

If naruto is only a bit faster (it cant be all that much faster than raikage) in kcm and sasuke was EASILY able to react to that then why isnt itachi able to react to naruto?

You didn't respond to my post bro :|

thegame · May 22, 2013

What a lousy thread. You cannot compare shinobi this way. Minato's KCM is something he gained after dying, you cannot count that as part of his power. It doesn't matter, that he had it few minutes before his death. He didn't use it. Most likely couldn't, because he needs to perfect the control over it. How could he learn that while dying? Yeah he couldn't :|

Besides you take people in their prime, not when they are on the verge of dying :|

Hashirama is still the God of Shinobi. He was performing the seal, merely used the remaining kage's as pawns for it. Hashi will deal with the Juubi next, something Minato could never hope to do.

Draxus · May 22, 2013

Sage mode Hashi still wins. He should be able to supress the KCM cloak!

Regulus · May 23, 2013

The way I see it
Hashirama>=Minato>Tobirama>Hiruzen

Rikudou Sennin balls · May 23, 2013

•Minato base speed and reflexes were the fastest in the world.
•Naruto base speed and reflexes are around jounin level as he was able to match Deva path in a taijutsu match and hold his own.

•Naruto Kyuubi Chakra Mode speed is faster than A's top lightning clad speed.
•It's assuming that Minato's speed in Kyuubi Chakra Mode would make Minato even faster. If even 5X faster would probably be to much for even Madara and his rinnegan.

Harashima's wood jutsu could absorb chakra but as what we saw it does it slowly. Someone with Minato's intellect could easily escape.

In a fight between the two I'd still say Harashima because his chakra is just so OP and he has sage mode.

Orochimagus · May 23, 2013

Wrong on so many levels. Minato was sealed with the other half of Kurama for 16 years. Of course he had time to learn how to use that form. Not to mention that even if he had not, Kurama is no longer denying power to people. You gonna say Rock Lee, and the fodders all learned to use Naruto's cloak in an instant?

Tobirama didn't say Minato's space-time was vastly superior. Don't bend words around.

Reaper Death Seal does not even count. It's an auto loss that doesn't prove the strength of the user in any way. Not to mention the Reaper Death Seal is BROKEN already.

And i'll remind you he crapped his pants when Hashirama merely rose his chakra.

MizukiIsTobi · May 23, 2013

I haven't been on NB for a few weeks and after reading 631 I was afraid to come back to the forums for this very reason. See you guys next week

mase · May 23, 2013

idk if u minato fanboys r drunk or drunk ...
how in the world minato going to beat 1st hokage ...
last time i checked , just couse ur fast doesnt mean ur strong ..
their is no atk minato can land on 1st hokage that could kill him or injure him ..
and their is no power or skill minato has that could be greater or win agnst itachi ...
all itachi has to do is trap the fcker in a black flame and shot him with amu. arrow ..
it would be a 5sec match ... and we all know how fast he is , he cannot fight him face to face ..
he has to look down 24/7 ...not to mention iznami or iznagi could rape any1 and anything , no matter wr he is ..
he just have to be in range .. and he is doom ...
let minato worry about ppl his lvl ... like oro. lady tasu. or giraya ...etc .. probably kasamii ..
but ppl like itachi / nagato / tobi
minato will be wasting his time and 100% die ..
madara / 1st hokage ..
they r beyond his lvl .... even if he had the full power of the kyubee ...
last time i checked , madara went 1 vs 1 with the kyubee and captured him ..
it took a villege with 2 hokages to stop him..

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