Minato Could've Saved Kushina

[TaBaYo]

How the hell was minato supposed to know that

Neither Minato nor Kushina knew that, how is this so hard to understand?

Because as far as they knew it was fact. Even Sprial and White Zetsu said it was inevitable. Only person who knew it would work apparently is Kurama, and prolly the other bijuu.

Thought I wasnt seeing any sensible ppl in base. Its good to know they are people who can reason.

 

[KCMNaruto]

Back then Kurama was unfriendly

Now Kurama is friendly.

if the difference in both cases were mindset of Kurama then I bet Tailed beasts or maybe only Kurama have to be your friend and willing to save your life for this to work. If Kurama didn't care about dying as it would be reborn then it could do nothing to save Kushina and this was reason

I hope it clear up some doubts

 

[Xāvî1]

he ran out of ideas

 

[FemmeFatale]

She should've bite herself lol

 

[Uchiha Samater]

A. no one knew, even Obito and Zetsu


tbh A is necessary but since i will work by your logic, it would be hard to defend any anime/manga , or even general story other than say why did the beginning happen other than plot to exist, makes......no...........point

you guys do know what plot means right?, like the actual definition

 

[valandil988]

Back then Kurama was unfriendly

Now Kurama is friendly.

if the difference in both cases were mindset of Kurama then I bet Tailed beasts or maybe only Kurama have to be your friend and willing to save your life for this to work. If Kurama didn't care about dying as it would be reborn then it could do nothing to save Kushina and this was reason

I hope it clear up some doubts

If this was the case why didn't Kurama just kill baby Naruto the second he was sealed, forcing his chakra through the seal would have solved his problems killing himself and the host at the same time. But noooo, when Naruto was falling in the canyon he could have pulled his chakra away from Naruto and let him and himself be killed by proxy if he didn't "fear" death.

Its called Kurama hates or fears the re-manifestation process more than being locked in a seal. Ergo Minato could have saved Kushina even with Kurama being an unfriendly chakra monster lol.

 

[the last shinobi]

He can't say that for sure. Remember Pa said Naruto had surpassed those who came before him (4th Hokage and J-man). Until now, we know he meant in terms of Sage mode and how naruto was able to perfect it unlike the other two. Thing is, Minato would have to have an incompete Sage mode...how incomplete? We don't know, though rather irrelevant to the story. It could be like Oro. He knows about Dragon Sage mode, yet isn't able to complete it. Which is why we never see him use it. He needed a stronger body. Maybe Minato needed a stronger body/chakra reserves in order to use Sage mode effectively, which is why he couldn't resort to that during the Kyuubi attack.

he said j man Pa made no mention of Minato while talking about sage mode

 

[Meowazziel]

The 9 tails was extracted from Kushina similar to Naruto. Naruto fainted on the spot with just Yang Kurama extracted, while Kushina was still awake after extraction of a full Kurama. Show how much lifeforce she has.

Minato could've sealed the nine tails back to her like how Naruto received the other half of Kurama.

So due to Plot, Naruto parents died for no other particular reason but for the manga to exist.

Just some thoughts

So whose up to see Madara whip some ass?

Kurama wasnt friendly with Kushina.
He wouldnt have helped her recover and would have preferred dying and respawning.

Kurama grew a soft spot for Naruto and saved him from death a few times and eventually befriended him.
Obviously he would cooporate and save Naruto if he was resealed.

That is what I believe at least.
I dont think resealing full Kurama in Kushina would have saved her, but even if it would have, than
Minato and Kushina lacked that info.

 

[the last shinobi]

But... but but...

Spoiler

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but just a couple chapters before that

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[Mr Hiru]

The 9 tails was extracted from Kushina similar to Naruto. Naruto fainted on the spot with just Yang Kurama extracted, while Kushina was still awake after extraction of a full Kurama. Show how much lifeforce she has.

Minato could've sealed the nine tails back to her like how Naruto received the other half of Kurama.

So due to Plot, Naruto parents died for no other particular reason but for the manga to exist.

Just some thoughts

So whose up to see Madara whip some ass?

Frankly... you have a flawed logic.

Of course, Minato could save Kushina from the extraction...

But he couldn't save her from the Kyuubi's claw, unless he had some kind of medical ninjutsu technique.

 

[valandil988]

Frankly... you have a flawed logic.

Of course, Minato could save Kushina from the extraction...

But he couldn't save her from the Kyuubi's claw, unless he had some kind of medical ninjutsu technique.

No the way he could have saved her was to not interfere with her plan lol. Which would have meant she would seal the WHOLE kyuubi within herself at once instead of piece meal. Which would mean the kyuubi wouldn't have shrunk by half and the chains wouldn't have gotten slack which means it would never have managed to strike out at them.

The End.

 

[Mr Hiru]

No the way he could have saved her was to not interfere with her plan lol. Which would have meant she would seal the WHOLE kyuubi within herself at once instead of piece meal. Which would mean the kyuubi wouldn't have shrunk by half and the chains wouldn't have gotten slack which means it would never have managed to strike out at them.

The End.

Disagreed, we have to take in mind the bijuus affection level, and the mechanics behind the bijuu extraction/bijuu insertion.

How can you ensure me that inserting a bijuu back "to stop death" does not depend on the affection level between bijuu and host? This kind of logic could seem far fetched, but hey... that's how bijuu mode can be unlocked, so it's not farfetched... almost all good 'benefits' of bijuus depends on affection, or exchange to some extent.

Also, if Kushina had her plan followed, then she would have died anyways. She said so.

Let's put things right:

She was almost out of chakra:

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She had so low chakra, that if she used that chakra to put the Kyuubi's back, she would have died:

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She was bleeding even before the Kyuubi's claw. And Minato was in a similar state, almost without chakra left:

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And also, bijuu without affection drains the jinchuuriki's chakra when using its chakra. This doesn't have anything to do with Kushina except the fact that if she used the last bit of her chakra, she would die anyways.

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So... if we put things in a balance, Minato found a definite solution to their context. Kushina's solution was just temporary. They both got impaled, but this was just an acceleration to the unavoidable.

Kushina acted as a mother... Minato did as a Hokage. The village was priority above their son for him.

 

[Floydical]

And resealing the entire Kyuubi as an outside entity is the same as what occurred here? Here we were seeing the transferring of the entity through sheer chakra that was dominated by the user. In the example you gave, your expecting Minato to seal the fully released Kyuubi in the same manner? The two situations are not comparable, logic of the OP is flawed.

 

[valandil988]

Disagreed, we have to take in mind the bijuus affection level, and the mechanics behind the bijuu extraction/bijuu insertion.

How can you ensure me that inserting a bijuu back "to stop death" does not depend on the affection level between bijuu and host? This kind of logic could seem far fetched, but hey... that's how bijuu mode can be unlocked, so it's not farfetched... almost all good 'benefits' of bijuus depends on affection, or exchange to some extent.

Also, if Kushina had her plan followed, then she would have died anyways. She said so.

Let's put things right:

She was almost out of chakra:

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She had so low chakra, that if she used that chakra to put the Kyuubi's back, she would have died:

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She was bleeding even before the Kyuubi's claw. And Minato was in a similar state, almost without chakra left:

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And also, bijuu without affection drains the jinchuuriki's chakra when using its chakra. This doesn't have anything to do with Kushina except the fact that if she used the last bit of her chakra, she would die anyways.

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So... if we put things in a balance, Minato found a definite solution to their context. Kushina's solution was just temporary. They both got impaled, but this was just an acceleration to the unavoidable.

I still disagree, but i won't continue the discussion. Affection is all well nice. If the Kyuubi wanted to be free through death it would have let Naruto hit the ground in that canyon (part 1 Toad summoning training).

Ergo obviously it didn't want to go through a rebirth process. Same would be true for Kushina. Hence she would live by default regardless of how much the kyuubi hated her.

All of the kyuubi's attempts to escape could quite easily have ended in Naruto's death so don't tell me he "Liked" Naruto during part 1. Even Naruto vs Pain, Naruto would have died if the Fourth hadn't left behind a fail safe. Yeah thats some affection from the kyuubi. It obviously wants to escape the seal in a particular manner Read: NOT DEATH!

 

[LUMOS ULTIMATUM]

Minato sealed kurama to stop the masked man. He stated it himself. Do you really believe kushina jinchuriki would have stood a chance against akatsuki or madara?

 

[valandil988]

Minato sealed kurama to stop the masked man. He stated it himself. Do you really believe kushina jinchuriki would have stood a chance against akatsuki or madara?

Umm Yeah? Your saying Minato anticipated Madara's revival? Don't be silly. Minato could have defeated Obito right then and there, Hiraishin never fades and hence could defeat him at his leisure. Ergo Madara would never have become a problem because there would have never been a war against Obito and the zetsu.

Kushina is a superior host being a pure Uzumaki unlike Naruto. The reason Minato sealed the Kyuubi in Naruto is because not only is he Uzumaki but it was done in order for the village to retain the kyuubi as a military asset. Don't dress his motivations up in sweet nothings! He did it for one reason only for the village to retain the kyuubi in his mind. As he had no knowledge of the fact that Kushina could survive.

If Minato had been a better father and a better family man (Read: Been selfish) not only would Kushina have survived but he would have survived to give Naruto the family he deserved.

End thread.

 

[Sunstorm]

Or maybe Minato didn't know that would work? It's Kurama that came up with the plan, ya know...

 

[Mr Hiru]

Or maybe Minato didn't know that would work? It's Kurama that came up with the plan, ya know...

This is quite a great point to add. Kushina didn't act based on knowledge, Minato did. Kurama was the one who revealed that the Jinchuuriki could be saved, they didn't know about that.

 

[God of TryHards]

Fukasaku stated that the eyes are the mark of mastery of Sage Mode. Minato has those eyes the same as Naruto while Jiraiya does not. Until fully explained, Minato has the same mastery of Sage Mode as Naruto did.

Ehhhh again also the Pa said he surpassed them. To what extent? We do not know. But until it is told to us, we go by the manga. The manga says Naruto surpassed them. So no, Minato is not on Naruto's level.

 

[OMGitsShakra]

Thats hard to say, I agree she could have been saved...but I am unsure that Minato knew that. Unless I am mistaken, which is possible, at the time the fox got extracted....Kushina nor Minato thought a jinn could be revived having their beast back...i do get upset because Minato for sure could have not left his child orphaned...i would kill my bf he did that to our child, but he did what he thought was best and took out half the fox at the time which made him a hero. Plus, whose to say the fox would have shared that info? :/ He hated people at the time....It even Kushina, though i cannot imagine she was a terrible host.

Im sure though, things played out just like they did so Naruto could really be the savior of the ninja world. Its through his heartache and pain that he will achieve peace