Minato can't transport things far without prep?

[Erin]

If Minato already has Kunai or markings set around him, he can simply transport away after transporting the TBB and then come back. It's really cheap but the fact is Minato has instant like reflexes. The fact that he has such an instant technique combined with instant reflexes is pretty hax, I'd say that this would be well within his capabilities.

Where will he transfer to? He has not been able to throw his kunai in the vicinity. An he can't throw any more kunai while he is using space time barrier so they need to be spread before he opens it, and at close range there won't be much time.

 

[Bogard]

He managed to hold Juubi's TBB in the other dimension for quite some time before actually redirecting it on a marking middle ocean(more than enough time to jump over one of his kunais, talk with Sakura and tell them to brace themselves before the impact). So it's more than likely that he possess the capacity to warp them even without prep kunais and redirect it on a marking where later. However the amount of time he can hold it in the other dimension is still unknown

 

[Baka Sennin]

he can throw a kunai at the bijuu and let it off I suppose. or better yet, if he'd previously marked the opponent. given that Minato apparently has a ton of kunai stashed around all over the place, I don't think that's an issue.

 

[Erin]

Why would that prevent Minato from making use of seals in Konoha? In what way does the location of the fight influence his Jikūkan Kekkai (Space–Time Barrier)?

1. In a vs thread there will not be already spread kunai, since the battleground is a clean slate, it can also be argued that all the kunai within the village were destroyed by shinra tensei, and the one he used to teleport the tbb of the kyuubi was destroyed by that tbb.

2. Even if we assume the fight is before naruto's birth, if he was to teleport to konoha, he would forfeit, since the battlefield is not at konoha, and he has no way to return, since the tbb would have destroyed all the kunai at the battle sight.

He managed to hold Juubi's TBB in the other dimension for quite some time before actually redirecting it on a marking middle ocean(more than enough time to jump over one of his kunais, talk with Sakura and tell them to brace themselves before the impact). So it's more than likely that he possess the capacity to warp them even without prep kunais and redirect it on a marking where later. However the amount of time he can hold it in the other dimension is still unknown

1. There is no holding, it seems that the reverse summoning type that FTG is brings the target to the kunai, not to a new dimension, then to a kunai. If this was true, then there would be nothing stopping minato from just leaving it in that dimension.
2. It is most likely that the tbb takes time to exit, seeing as previously it took time to enter, or, that it was so far away that the shockwave didn't reach them until a few seconds later.

3. Also any ease in performing space time barrier on minato's part can't be counted as a feat because he was an edo.

It was rather obvious before these chaptersthat he cannot randomly choose where he decides to teleport an object because the fundamentals of its parent jutsu, the hiraishin will still apply to its branch, the barrier.

But i do not think it needs as much prep time as you claim.
In a fight, if he scatters the kunai's or ftg all over the location, that is it

The entire location would be destroyed right?

 

[OnPoint]

1. In a vs thread there will not be already spread kunai, since the battleground is a clean slate, it can also be argued that all the kunai within the village were destroyed by shinra tensei, and the one he used to teleport the tbb of the kyuubi was destroyed by that tbb.

I'm not referring to the kunai or seals Minato spreads in the midst of battle. And with regards to the bolded, this is a speculative point, especially considering the bomb was diverted to the outskirts of the village; there were still healthy parts of Konoha post Nagato's Shinra Tensei. It was the central area which took the brunt of the blast.

2. Even if we assume the fight is before naruto's birth, if he was to teleport to konoha, he would forfeit, since the battlefield is not at konoha, and he has no way to return, since the tbb would have destroyed all the kunai at the battle sight.

His Jikūkan Kekkai doesn't require his movement. Teleporting himself to Konoha isn't necessary in these circumstances. If he sends such bombs to his pre-existing seals then his safety on the main battlefield isn't compromised.

 

[naruttebayo]

yup prep needs time
but time is never a problem for the 4th

 

[Erin]

I'm not referring to the kunai or seals Minato spreads in the midst of battle. And with regards to the bolded, this is a speculative point, especially considering the bomb was diverted to the outskirts of the village; there were still healthy parts of Konoha post Nagato's Shinra Tensei. It was the central area which took the brunt of the blast.



His Jikūkan Kekkai doesn't require his movement. Teleporting himself to Konoha isn't necessary in these circumstances. If he sends such bombs to his pre-existing seals then his safety on the main battlefield isn't compromised.

1. Assuming they are still they're is speculative.
2. Regardless, all items used in the battle must be produced by the user during the battle, not made, but the user must only use items that he deploys during such a battle. Summoning can be done, but the use of pre existing items is not allowed unless they are items such as sasukes shuriken seal.

 

[Bogard]

1. There is no holding, it seems that the reverse summoning type that FTG is brings the target to the kunai, not to a new dimension, then to a kunai. If this was true, then there would be nothing stopping minato from just leaving it in that dimension.
2. It is most likely that the tbb takes time to exit, seeing as previously it took time to enter, or, that it was so far away that the shockwave didn't reach them until a few seconds later.

3. Also any ease in performing space time barrier on minato's part can't be counted as a feat because he was an edo.

You don't get it. Space time barrier has 2steps:
1- Warping the attack
2- Redirecting it to another location
It's once the attack gets warped that Minato has the choice to redirect it somewhere else. It was clearly implied when he warped and redirected Kyubi's TBB. Once it was warped,

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Concerning the 3rd point, i don't get it. Where is the relation between Edo and the working of a technique? It's not as if a Edo gives a boast in someone's technique, so it had nothing to do with the working of Space time barrier. I don't know what feat you were referring to, but if you talk about his feat of redirecting Juubi's Bijuudama, then you're wrong. Minato could have done the same thing while alive since he could use the same technique while alive

I think however that you don't get how edo tensei works, so i'd just live this just in case

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[OnPoint]

1. Assuming they are still they're is speculative.

The burden of proof is on you since you made the statement. Less I claim Minato has Suiton because you can't prove me wrong.

2. Regardless, all items used in the battle must be produced by the user during the battle, not made, but the user must only use items that he deploys during such a battle. Summoning can be done, but the use of pre existing items is not allowed unless they are items such as sasukes shuriken seal.

Sounds like you pulled this straight out the Official Naruto handbook. May I have the link?

 

[Erin]

You don't get it. Space time barrier has 2steps:
1- Warping the attack
2- Redirecting it to another location
It's once the attack gets warped that Minato has the choice to redirect it somewhere else. It was clearly implied when he warped and redirected Kyubi's TBB. Once it was warped,

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Concerning the 3rd point, i don't get it. Where is the relation between Edo and the working of a technique? It's not as if a Edo gives a boast in someone's technique, so it had nothing to do with the working of Space time barrier. I don't know what feat you were referring to, but if you talk about his feat of redirecting Juubi's Bijuudama, then you're wrong. Minato could have done the same thing while alive since he could use the same technique while alive

I think however that you don't get how edo tensei works, so i'd just live this just in case

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1. I understand what you mean now, though it doesn't make sense how he can actually hold it, and if he can, then why does he need to release it.
2. I understand how ET works, I was considering the fact that it most likely takes more chakra for each change in a jutsu, if variable are increased, then it should take more chakra, so fine held it longer (if this takes chakra), or if he teleported a larger object, then there should most likely be more chakra involved.

 

[Erin]

The burden of proof is on you since you made the statement. Less I claim Minato has Suiton because you can't prove me wrong.



Sounds like you pulled this straight out the Official Naruto handbook. May I have the link?

1. I believe you made the first speculation.
2. I don't think vs battles include the previous tools characters have used, minaots kunai would include places from the third war as well, I'm pretty sure it's common knowledge.

Anyway, that's not the point of this thread, I'm talking about if minato only had any kunai he would be deploying in the battle with him, would he be able to effectively redirect them without causing himself harm.

 

[DeadManWonderLand]

The preparation is the same no matter what he does

The only thing the kunai is there for is to act as a means of transportation
Minato only had to keep the kunai outstretched and the TTB from kurama was absorbed on impact,there was no blow back whatsoever and then we seen him use it in the midst of battle with the ftg 2.

So no there is no prep time.

That is exactly why the formula is on the kunai specifically to avoid prep time that tobirama has to deal with.

 

[OnPoint]

1. I believe you made the first speculation.

I claimed Minato could make use of seals on the outskirts of Konoha, as he did in canon. You claimed said seals/kunai had been destroyed by Nagato, despite there being sections of the village which came through Shinra Tensei unscathed. You would need to provide evidence which contradicts what has already been established by the manga.

2. I don't think vs battles include the previous tools characters have used, minaots kunai would include places from the third war as well, I'm pretty sure it's common knowledge.

But there are no rules. There are no absolute laws which combatants have to abide by. These are just things people have made up. I'm not saying certain tactics are legitimate and others are illegal. It's more dependent on what scenario that particular thread maker has laid out at that time.

Anyway, that's not the point of this thread, I'm talking about if minato only had any kunai he would be deploying in the battle with him, would he be able to effectively redirect them without causing himself harm.

That would probably depend on a number of things, such as;

> The attack he's up against
> Its AoE
> If he needs to release the attack immediately
> If it can be avoided by other means such as Shunshin

 

[DeadManWonderLand]

1. I believe you made the first speculation.
2. I don't think vs battles include the previous tools characters have used, minaots kunai would include places from the third war as well, I'm pretty sure it's common knowledge.

Anyway, that's not the point of this thread, I'm talking about if minato only had any kunai he would be deploying in the battle with him, would he be able to effectively redirect them without causing himself harm.

Yes,he has already proven this on multiple occasions

 

[Erin]

I claimed Minato could make use of seals on the outskirts of Konoha, as he did in canon. You claimed said seals/kunai had been destroyed by Nagato, despite there being sections of the village which came through Shinra Tensei unscathed. You would need to provide evidence which contradicts what has already been established by the manga.



But there are no rules. There are no absolute laws which combatants have to abide by. These are just things people have made up. I'm not saying certain tactics are legitimate and others are illegal. It's more dependent on what scenario that particular thread maker has laid out at that time.



That would probably depend on a number of things, such as;

> The attack he's up against
> Its AoE
> If he needs to release the attack immediately
> If it can be avoided by other means such as Shunshin

1. It was speculation on your part that the kunai where not destroyed or harmed during the complete and partial destruction of the village over 16 years. Therefor the entire case of them being in konoha is speculation, though it doesn't matter since its likely he still has tags from the third ninja war, unless they where collected or he collected them himself, but it is also speculation.

2. I already stated it is a tailed beast bomb that he's up against.

The preparation is the same no matter what he does

The only thing the kunai is there for is to act as a means of transportation
Minato only had to keep the kunai outstretched and the TTB from kurama was absorbed on impact,there was no blow back whatsoever and then we seen him use it in the midst of battle with the ftg 2.

So no there is no prep time.

That is exactly why the formula is on the kunai specifically to avoid prep time that tobirama has to deal with.

I don't think you understand my question , I'm talking about a scenario where minato has no kunai spread at the beginning of a battle, and a tailed beast begins charging a tailed beast bomb, how would he escape the radius since he needs to redirect it to a kunai, but he would have no kunai far away like he did in the attack on the leaf.

I'm not implying that it takes minato prep time to use space time barrier, or that the TBB will harm him.

Yes, he has already proven this on multiple occasions

He hasn't answered my question. I just wan't to know how he can pull it off in the scenario I specified in the OP.

 

[shelke]

The answer is simple: No. Both FTG and S/T barrier require teleportation points and these points contain Kunais or presumably seals for Teleportation. Without any set destination point, he isn't teleporting himself or the attack anywhere. That should be a certainty at this point, as both FTG and S/T Barrier is a simple point A to B teleportation that cannot be accomplished without a Kunai at both ends.

If thrown in a battle without Prep, he isn't redirecting the attack anywhere, and S/T mechanics would prove to be largely useless in this regard.

 

[Erin]

The answer is simple: No. Both FTG and S/T barrier require teleportation points and these points contain Kunais or presumably seals for Teleportation. Without any set destination point, he isn't teleporting himself or the attack anywhere. That should be a certainty at this point, as both FTG and S/T Barrier is a simple point A to B teleportation that cannot be accomplished without a Kunai at both ends.

If thrown in a battle without Prep, he isn't redirecting the attack anywhere, and S/T mechanics would prove to be largely useless in this regard.

Thank you. Closing thread.