[Theory] Minato, as blamed as Kakashi for Rins death?

[Loome]

Yosh, so, first: I wanna thank you all for saying after reading this that it is a total nonsense and whatever, but found some stuff about Obito's actions after he "died".
So:

I will state that Rin died during the two-three years we know nothing about(Obito's "death" - Naruto's birth time period).
It is something obvious. Something more obvious is that Obito escaped because of someone that helped him, and rebuilt his left part of his body. Well, the head wasn't really afftected, because, if you rewatch the Kakashi Gaiden, of reread the manga, you will see that Obito was able to slowly move his head, and speak. If you speak, move and do other stuff, your brain must be in a great state, ne?
Kishi made something obvious:

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Tobi has Zetsu cells on his body. Zetsu also knows lots of stuff from the past and has the ability to record a fight/event. Most of the things are from the Uchiha clan's perspective. And Madara and Tobi know each other. So Madara made Zetsu, searched for someone to inherit his will, and gave that one his knowledge.


I don't think Obito really was under Madara's control(whatever, I mean he did what Madara said) when he attacked the village.
Tobi is somehow like Sasuke: good then went bad. Tobi/Obito went bad when Rin died. Sasuke went bad because his clan was killed, and wanted power to revenge.
I think Rin died in a big battle. So, like Sasuke, because of the village, Obito had to suffer. So, if he wanted revenge, why not kill the Fourth's loved ones, and kill half of the village because ONE, ONE person died? Sounds like Sasuke's high level logic.
And by the way, was he really after the nine tails? He sorta left 9t free. Why not capture it? Why not taking the alive jinchuuriki to the gedo mazou? These stuff makes me think that the Moon Eye Plan was made way after Naruto's birth, and Madara was alive during that time, enjoying some coffee. So Madara lived then and used Tobi.


So, the question I wanna ask is:

When the hell did Madara died? Why? How?
and
well, I forgot the question as I forgot some of the stuff I wanted to say in this thread, and if I will remember, I will write it as an edit.
Yeah, i feel like :sy: -ing myself.

 

[Simple Math]

good effort

i made a theory about madara sealing his chakra within tobi and died - it explains why kurama recognized tobi as madara

 

[Lambi]

Speaking of the moon eye plan. I believe that's 100% bullshit from Madara to trick Tobi. Madara wants all that power to rule the world, nothing else, what does he care about peace?

 

[MrSimple]

I made a thread about their plans and clearly no one said who's gonna cast that genjutsu, but...

 

[Chatte]

Nice catch!

 

[Joon]

For all we know, Madara could have found Obito's body. We can not say for sure if Madara is manipulating Obito or controlling via other means. How can you say that Tobi (Obito) and Sasuke went "Bad"? What evidence supports that Rin died in a "big battle"? Tobi (Obito) assassination on the Fourth Hokage's Minato love ones because of Rin's death is some assumption.

By the way, was Obito really after the Kyuubi during the Kyuubi attack? Why not capture it? Why not taking the alive Jinchuuriki to the Gedo Mazou?

Obito's intentions were unknown in the disguise of Tobi. His intentions could be that of Madara's, but its still unknown.

We can't answer this questions because we are still in the dark. We have no evidence as to why or how things happen between Madara and Obito to consider the Moon Eye Plan. We have to wait on Kishi to explain.

 

[Uchiha Josephus]

Pretty good theory, so + rep for that.

Although Tobi did have control over the Kyubbi (didn't set him "free") even though he may or may not have intended to use it for the moon's eye plan at the time.

Also, learning that he massacred the Uzumaki clan (if he did, who the hell knows xd) would be some more motivation for Naruto.

cheers!

 

[Sasuke..]

Speaking of the moon eye plan. I believe that's 100% bullshit from Madara to trick Tobi. Madara wants all that power to rule the world, nothing else, what does he care about peace?

Actually if you READ the manga, Madara's all about the peace he left the clan because they were mistreated by the Konoha elders, and the clan abandoned him. So all in all in the end he wanted peace.

 

[zoezoe]

Actually if you READ the manga, Madara's all about the peace he left the clan because they were mistreated by the Konoha elders, and the clan abandoned him. So all in all in the end he wanted peace.

then why did madara betray the hidden stone.... if he wanted peace he wouldnt have done that move