Minato and war arc Kakashi vs Killer bee and Ay

[ATD]

Location: Forrest of dead trees
Distance: 50 meters
Conditions: This is alive Minato (no kyubi)
Restrictions: Sage mode, summons, offensiv Kamui, Tailed beast bomb barrage
Intel: None

 

[Lariatoo]

That's....
... A really good matchup.
Gonna have to think about that one...

 

[Airbear]

No intel? This would favor kakashi and minato since kakashi could just kamui bee and they proceed to beat Ay. But since there's no offensive kamui I would probably go with the Ay and B.

 

[ARGUS]

Ay and Bee win this

--no kamui means that kakashi gets blitzed and has his head smashed in by Ay, leaving minato to fight both of them at the same time, no kamui also means that they have no means of hurting bee here

--with kakashi down, minato gets eradicated by bijuu waves, or he gets blown back by whirlwind followeed by continous TBB finishing him off

 

[Valhorus]

Minato solos , manga fact .

 

[ATD]

Ay and Bee win this

--no kamui means that kakashi gets blitzed and has his head smashed in by Ay, leaving minato to fight both of them at the same time, no kamui also means that they have no means of hurting bee here

Ay doesn't start with his raiton amor active, which means minato has enough time to give Kakashi a kunai of him and mark some places in the background.
Dont underestimate Kakashis reflexes with the sharingan, he can open the first gate to increase his speed to dodge a few attacks of Ay.
Minato is there too, the raikage can't stricke the whole time without getting attacked by a ftg rasengan combo.

Kakashi has a way of hurting bee, either with raiden,raikiri and raiton weapons(to cut the tails) or he kamuis long range attacks of bee and send them back at him.

 

[LuckyMan]

Ay doesn't start with his raiton amor active, which means minato has enough time to give Kakashi a kunai of him and mark some places in the background.
Dont underestimate Kakashis reflexes with the sharingan, he can open the first gate to increase his speed to dodge a few attacks of Ay.
Minato is there too, the raikage can't stricke the whole time without getting attacked by a ftg rasengan combo.

Kakashi has a way of hurting bee, either with raiden,raikiri and raiton weapons(to cut the tails) or he kamuis long range attacks of bee and send them back at him.

That's using Kamui offensively, which you restricted.

 

[ATD]

That's using Kamui offensively, which you restricted.

for me this is defensive kamui, to protect oneself of something incoming (excluded ay and bee)
What do you understand under defensiv kamui ?

 

[Chazzi]

Minato and Kakashi imo.

 

[ARGUS]

Ay doesn't start with his raiton amor active, which means minato has enough time to give Kakashi a kunai of him and mark some places in the background.

It only takes a matter of seconds for Ay to activate his armor, and you think that minato can spread around his markings and help kakashi evade Ay all before he even activates his armor?

Dont underestimate Kakashis reflexes with the sharingan, he can open the first gate to increase his speed to dodge a few attacks of Ay.

yeah that is never happening,
he was unable to evade even the susanoo arrow, something thats nothing infront of Ays speed, so he gets obliterated
and the first gate is not helping him at all, especially not in dodging Ay

Minato is there too, the raikage can't stricke the whole time without getting attacked by a ftg rasengan combo.

Minato has to worry about Bee nuking them off, none of them are hurtinng him once he goes hachibi
they are not covering mountain ranges with their markings, and no way in hell are they tanking his firepowerr

Kakashi has a way of hurting bee, either with raiden,raikiri and raiton weapons(to cut the tails)

if he attempts to come close to bee, he has a risk of getting pulverised
or he just gets blown to pieces by a Bijuu Wave

or he kamuis long range attacks of bee and send them back at him.

thats using kamui offensively which is restricted here

 

[KidGamer65]

It only takes a matter of seconds for Ay to activate his armor, and you think that minato can spread around his markings and help kakashi evade Ay all before he even activates his armor?

What's even more crazy is you thinking that Ay will blitz from 50 meters before Minato can grab Kakashi and teleport away to a tossed Kunai when he reacted to Ay's top speed blitz and tossed a Kunai above his head from 10 meters, all before he teleported from Ay. He'd do the same, but 5x easier.

Minato has to worry about Bee nuking them off, none of them are hurtinng him once he goes hachibi
they are not covering mountain ranges with their markings, and no way in hell are they tanking his firepowerr

B's Bijuu Wave is sucked in by the Space Time Barrier, and his melee is useless. B's attacks don't even span multiple Mountain Ranges, only Mountains at best, distances people have shown to cross with ease, so Minato being able to outright evade Bijuu Wave and Bijuu Dama via Hiraishin isn't farfetched, considering B's strongest Bijuu Dama shown is the regular Mountain variant.

 

[Gold Lightning]

I don't understand how bee can nuke his opponents, without harming Ay in the process?

Wherever Ay is, his opponents will use Ay's location as a basis to measure the safest distance or spot to be. They aren't idiots, bee can easily be marked in his giant from, Minato can easily mark Ay as well. So wherever they are would mean it's safe for minato can Kakashi to teleport to.

 

[Xlad]

Minato and Kakashi. Lol

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Minato and Kakashi wins. lol at blitz attemps. All 4 combatants are too high lvl for that.

 

[ARGUS]

What's even more crazy is you thinking that Ay will blitz from 50 meters before Minato can grab Kakashi and teleport away to a tossed Kunai when he reacted to Ay's top speed blitz and tossed a Kunai above his head from 10 meters, all before he teleported from Ay. He'd do the same, but 5x easier.

I didnt see the starting distance, so my bad on that
regardlesss of that, minato is not helping kakashi everytime, he is bound to get killed one time or the other by either A or B

B's Bijuu Wave is sucked in by the Space Time Barrier,

Uhh No its not, its not a projectile
the shockwave alonne would kill him if he attempts to use the S/T barrier

and his melee is useless. B's attacks don't even span multiple Mountain Ranges, only Mountains at best, distances people have shown to cross with ease, so Minato being able to outright evade Bijuu Wave and Bijuu Dama via Hiraishin isn't farfetched, considering B's strongest Bijuu Dama shown is the regular Mountain variant.

One TBB vaporises mountains, make about 4 of them and its a mountain range
and No, Minato is not covering a mountain worth of distance before the bomb explodes and kills him,
the starting distance just allows him to go hachibi and fire off the TBB before minato even has the chance of spreading markings outside the bombs AOE

 

[BenjerminGaye]

I didnt see the starting distance, so my bad on that
regardlesss of that, minato is not helping kakashi everytime, he is bound to get killed one time or the other by either A or B

Uhh No its not, its not a projectile
the shockwave alonne would kill him if he attempts to use the S/T barrier



One TBB vaporises mountains, make about 4 of them and its a mountain range
and No, Minato is not covering a mountain worth of distance before the bomb explodes and kills him,
the starting distance just allows him to go hachibi and fire off the TBB before minato even has the chance of spreading markings outside the bombs AOE

Beast bomb barrage is restricted.
Proof that st barrier is limited to projectiles.
Neither ay or bee is blitzing kakashi.

 

[ATD]

It only takes a matter of seconds for Ay to activate his armor, and you think that minato can spread around his markings and help kakashi evade Ay all before he even activates his armor?

how you could have forget this panel ?

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This was even less than 50 meters.

yeah that is never happening,
he was unable to evade even the susanoo arrow, something thats nothing infront of Ays speed, so he gets obliterated
and the first gate is not helping him at all, especially not in dodging Ay

I doubt that ay is a lot faster than the susanno arrows, Kakashis speed has improved in war and he has precognition.
Kage summut sasuke was able to dodge ays elbow attack and this form of sasuke is not faster than Kakashi.
Kakashi can also make a mud wall and use hiding like a mole and ay won't be able to track him.
He would attack bee while minato keeps ay busy.

Minato has to worry about Bee nuking them off, none of them are hurtinng him once he goes hachibi
they are not covering mountain ranges with their markings, and no way in hell are they tanking his firepowerr

Big shurikans cut hachibi tails, Raiden would do the same, but a lot faster and more area wide.
Tbb can be kamuied and send back to bee (no offensive kamui means he won't kamui team 2)
If this was a misconception than he kamuis himself and minato to get away of tbb

if he attempts to come close to bee, he has a risk of getting pulverised
or he just gets blown to pieces by a Bijuu Wave

with doton hiding like amole he can appear directly behind bee and get on him if bee uses his whirlwind he kamuis himself.
Whirlwind will hurt ay,too

thats using kamui offensively which is restricted here

okay than it was a misconception, but he still can kamui himself.

 

[EliteKakashi]

Why are we assuming Ei goes straight to using v2? It would make sense if he had manga intel and knew about Minato as well as Kakashi's raikiri use, but with none, what stops him from approaching this fight exactly how he approached his fight with Sasuke, using v1, resulting in raikiri piercing his heart?

Uhh No its not, its not a projectile
the shockwave alonne would kill him if he attempts to use the S/T barrier

Kamui has warped an explosion before, eliminating it's shockwave as well.

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It acts as a vacuum around whatever Kakashi targets.

As noted here, the explosion did no more damage than what it had done prior to Kakashi activating kamui:

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Now how long it would take him/he'd have to leave the dimensional portal open I'm not sure, I don't recall the size of the shockwave that Bee's TBB makes. To warp Deidara's explosion, the portal stayed open from this panel on page 3:

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to these panels on page 5:

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Not really sure exactly how long you'd judge that as. Him having to concentrate on the portal until the shockwave is entirely sucked in would leave him vulnerable to another attack from Bee or an attack from Ei.

Who to favor in this fight is entirely dependent on how you imagine the scenario unfolding. If we go off of how Ei has reacted with little to no knowledge in a fight before, he's going to rush Kakashi and Minato and get himself killed. If you want to argue he does otherwise, then it can go several different ways from there.

 

[Conspirator.]

Minato and Kakashi win.

 

[Great Master Minato]

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