[Spoilers] Minato and Tobirama relationship

[Hawker]

When fight against Masked Man? Which one is Obito ^^

lol wtf...I'll make this clear:

Minato thought the masked man (Obito) was Madara, because of his great s/t skills. Aka the masked man reminded Minato of Madara's techniques. Conclusion is --> Madara used to have space time techniques. What's so hard to understand?

 

[Talal]

lol wtf...I'll make this clear:

Minato thought the masked man (Obito) was Madara, because of his great s/t skills. Aka the masked man reminded Minato of Madara's techniques. Conclusion is --> Madara used to have space time techniques. What's so hard to understand?

I don't think he made that connection because Madara had S/T. I think it was more like who would be capable of doing all of this and the answer he came up with was Madara. If Madara having S/T was a known fact I think that we would have known that by now.

 

[NarutoKage2]

lol wtf...I'll make this clear:

Minato thought the masked man (Obito) was Madara, because of his great s/t skills. Aka the masked man reminded Minato of Madara's techniques. Conclusion is --> Madara used to have space time techniques. What's so hard to understand?

Uhhm, no. Minato thought he might be madara cuz he could control the kyuubi. He only commented on tobis s/t techs because:
1. they were op
2. because he hadobserved them.
minato didnt know if madara had s.t or not. He just knew that the masked man did. Youre the one who doesnt understand.

 

[Hawker]

Uhhm, no. Minato thought he might be madara cuz he could control the kyuubi. He only commented on tobis s/t techs because:
1. they were op
2. because he hadobserved them.
minato didnt know if madara had s.t or not. He just knew that the masked man did. Youre the one who doesnt understand.

Honestly it could go either way with what Minato was thinking. All I know is that his thoughts went from this (ch.502 page 10):

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to this (page 11):

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so one of the points that lead him to the conclusion that the masked man would be Madara, was that he was capable of using s/t techs. We can't really disregard it.



ps. I'd like to add to this the fact that Tobi was trained by Madara. He learned how to use space time tech from Madara. Even if it was Obito's original ability from his sharingan, Madara was the one that made it possible for him to advance in s/t technique so that he is on the level that makes Minato say this:

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Obito can't get onto a level higher than Tobirama without being taught by a teacher stronger than Tobirama: Madara. So there's a strong hint that says that Madara knew s/t.

 

[NarutoKage2]

Honestly it could go either way with what Minato was thinking. All I know is that his thoughts went from this (ch.502 page 10):

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to this (page 11):

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so one of the points that lead him to the conclusion that the masked man would be Madara, was that he was capable of using s/t techs. We can't really disregard it.



ps. I'd like to add to this the fact that Tobi was trained by Madara. He learned how to use space time tech from Madara. Even if it was Obito's original ability from his sharingan, Madara was the one that made it possible for him to advance in s/t technique so that he is on the level that makes Minato say this:

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Obito can't get onto a level higher than Tobirama without being taught by a teacher stronger than Tobirama: Madara. So there's a strong hint that says that Madara knew s/t.

What you fail to understand about those images is is that thats what MINATO thought. Who lived like, what 80 years after madara died. He wouldnt know for certain what exactly madata could do. In fact we now know for certain that minatos intel was false, otherwise hed have known that madara could not go intangible like that. Also in that image you can see that minato also mentioned that he can control the 9 tails. We all know that madara used the kyuubi at the valley of the end so maybe that amount of info did reach minato. But to assosciate a s.t tech that as u said came from obitos own ms with madara doesnt make sense. What minato thought , out of all those things the kyuubi being controlled bit is likely what made him think of madara.

From what weve seen madara doesnt seem like the type to use s.t . Just take the current manga where he lies flat. Teleporting/using a s.t tech to escape could certainly help him.

Note: strictly speaking, a summoning is a s.t tech and madara was shown trying to summon the kyuubi, however we dont count naruto, tsunade and jiraiya as s.t users just cuz of that.

Im on my phone or id show the image where thats explained.

 

[Hawker]

What you fail to understand about those images is is that thats what MINATO thought. Who lived like, what 80 years after madara died. He wouldnt know for certain what exactly madata could do. In fact we now know for certain that minatos intel was false, otherwise hed have known that madara could not go intangible like that. Also in that image you can see that minato also mentioned that he can control the 9 tails. We all know that madara used the kyuubi at the valley of the end so maybe that amount of info did reach minato. But to assosciate a s.t tech that as u said came from obitos own ms with madara doesnt make sense. What minato thought , out of all those things the kyuubi being controlled bit is likely what made him think of madara.

From what weve seen madara doesnt seem like the type to use s.t . Just take the current manga where he lies flat. Teleporting/using a s.t tech to escape could certainly help him.

Note: strictly speaking, a summoning is a s.t tech and madara was shown trying to summon the kyuubi, however we dont count naruto, tsunade and jiraiya as s.t users just cuz of that.

Im on my phone or id show the image where thats explained.

Minato knew Tobirama used S/T techniques. Tobirama who lived 80 years before Minato.

Also you can't know for sure that Madara can't go intangible. I'm just saying it could be his ace up his sleeve.

Your second last paragraph makes sense though. I can't disagree with it, but this is just how I see this and how it could be possible. We really don't know for sure what Minato knows.

 

[kabrone04]

There is a faint chance that Minato is in Tobiramas family tree and just receive his mothers surname to protect him from having to pay for his fathers "sins" against the Uchia. Same can be said about for Naruto not having his fathers surname so no one would know about him being Minatos son...just saying.

 

[Aten]

So you're saying it's not believable that someon can get killed by a sword in the series? Not everyone needs some epic death by a new groundbreaking mountain buster of a jutsu. It looks like he got a fatal stab and died after.

I think the person was implying that izuna's ms should of predicted that simple sword slash movement

 

[Keytap15]

There is a faint chance that Minato is in Tobiramas family tree and just receive his mothers surname to protect him from having to pay for his fathers "sins" against the Uchia. Same can be said about for Naruto not having his fathers surname so no one would know about him being Minatos son...just saying.

My thoughts exactly. There's a reason why we know nothing of Minato's lineage. Hopefully this will be looked into when it is Minato's turn to speak with Sasuke and the Edo Kages.

 

[Heikegani]

Hirashingiri= Flying Thunder God Slash

Yes Minato's ftg is either the same or a personnalised version of the same technique (kinda like Raikiri and Chidori), althought I think its most probably the latter (knowing Minato).

Also, it seems that Minato must have discovered the technique by himself and under no tutelage of Tobirama. Tobirama was dead by the time Minato was born. Also to confirm is the fact that all 4 kage were summoned, both 1th and 2nd acted surprised at looking at Minato (not knowing who he was).
Minato picked up on Tobirama's ftg as Orochimaru picked up on his Edo Tensei.
Quite the big legacy the 2nd left behind...

 

[NaruSasuRival]

i think it was just a name for tobirama's sword move rather than a S/T technique
people give their moves a name so hiraishingiri is just a name for tobirama's move
it reminds me of sasuke, its a high speed movement with a sword slash

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Why do you guys like to ignore the obvious. In the artwork Kishi even used trails to show how fast the move is. Then, they both has the same prefix Hirashin. Then we know Minato referred to Tobirama. This is so obvious that denying it look similar to denying that Hashirama is greater than Madara after hearing everyone said he is the god after Rikudo.

And I know what happens when people deny obvious facts: (1) check who is Tobi, and then (2) read chapter 624.

The level of denial is really high on forums. One of the greatest is when people say that Jiraya did not train Naruto well, or that Jiraya did not teach Sealing Jutsu to Naruto. Disappointment. Yes, disappointment awaits many ahead.

 

[NaruSasuRival]

Hirashingiri= Flying Thunder God Slash

Yes Minato's ftg is either the same or a personnalised version of the same technique (kinda like Raikiri and Chidori), althought I think its most probably the latter (knowing Minato).

Also, it seems that Minato must have discovered the technique by himself and under no tutelage of Tobirama. Tobirama was dead by the time Minato was born. Also to confirm is the fact that all 4 kage were summoned, both 1th and 2nd acted surprised at looking at Minato (not knowing who he was).
Minato picked up on Tobirama's ftg as Orochimaru picked up on his Edo Tensei.
Quite the big legacy the 2nd left behind...

Interesting ending.

 

[aznflyer14]

I still think Minato was an illegitimate son of one of Tobirama's descendants due to similar abilities.