Minato and Itachi (KidGamer65) vs. Nagato (Zexion~)

[DrProof]

I feel like Zex can win this. Kinda dislike how everyone is downplaying him atm. Y'all acting like KG is leagues above Zex as a debater when he really isn't imo. Goodluck tho bruhs, and make sure to get judges that REALLY have no favoring toward any of you.

 

[Xlad]

I'll say good luck to you both since you're both fellow DoUs.

 

[Oblivionx]

well honestly i never thought nagato has a chance against the duo in his wildest dreams but after seeing arguments here and on another thread, i guess he can push the fight to an extent by exploiting every last bit he has....
but itachi & minato's arsenal isn't being used to good extent. let minato summon ma & pa and what stops the duo from casting genjutsu on nagato? if preta works like sasuke & madara used it, i.e nagato absorbs rasengan, doesn't that mean something?
now for the hype...
nagato can't let either minato & itachi to come in close even once, EVEN ONCE.... possible?
but he'll give a fight alright...
good luck to both debaters btw if it means anything....

 

[Draegod]

Lol summons 6 paths then the 7/8 rape. (But ppl forget he can summon the 6, so ignore the post) Lol too many left open strategies, it's funny that ppl thought zex would fold but he's clearly as cool as the other side of the pillow with simple yet effective strategies.

 

[Zexion~]

Alright just moved in, probably going to take the night off and finish the post tommorow night after whatever freshman activities happen.

 

[Draegod]

Alright just moved in, probably going to take the night off and finish the post tommorow night after whatever freshman activities happen.

My son finally a freshman!! Be safe and wrap up with them hoes, don't get caught slippin! And please stay on them books!

 

[Haizaki]

My son finally a freshman!! Be safe and wrap up with them hoes, don't get caught slippin! And please stay on them books!

lmfaoo wise words for the starters!

 

[Zexion~]

Lmfao i'm going into college with a wifey already, don't need them hoes :lol i'm just trying to relax in college tbh, had enough fun in highschool to fill my life.

 

[Unorthodox]

Lmfao i'm going into college with a wifey already, don't need them hoes :lol i'm just trying to relax in college tbh, had enough fun in highschool to fill my life.

You got a wife or just a long lasted girlfriend?

College is overrated you'll never catch me on a campus

 

[Zexion~]

You got a wife or just a long lasted girlfriend?

College is overrated you'll never catch me on a campus

The second one :lol

Yeah it is, so many people going to try and get me to go out more.

 

[Unorthodox]

The second one :lol

Yeah it is, so many people going to try and get me to go out more.

SMH unless your in love you cheat aint no Kitty better than new Kitty!

i hated skuu so much i know college you make your own schedule in shit but i like my freedom but do you.

OT - How is this debatable Zexion tag me in so i can solo this matchup

 

[Zexion~]

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Lol. What?

-Forgetting Ninja can run on walls.
-Forgetting Minato can throw his Kunai over the hill.
-Forgetting that there is a marking right on top of his statue. Above the crater.
-Forgetting he has toads that can jump far far far higher than that crater's height.

So yes, he can place Kunai wherever he pleases.

-Forgetting that it's a village wide crater
-Forgetting Nagato is present
-Forgetting Nagato can end toads in less then 5 seconds.
-Forgetting that he can't throw a kunai across half a village no matter how high he jumps before gravity takes it into the wall and he can't even jump THAT much higher than it

You did not just make Fuuton a staple in your argument........

I did.

1. Nagato spawning multiple faces doesn't let him use the jutsu from all angles. The jutsu come from his hands, and his hands can't spawn perfectly in all directions. Thus it'll be harder for him to deflect Kunai from every single angle. The simple fact that it's a directional blast of wind is enough to show that he can't send Kunai from all angles back when his linear blasts of wind can't cover a 360 degree radius and when his hands don't spawn on every angle of his body.

Why are you saying that he can't spawn hands around his body? They don't have to be perfect as long as two sets of hands are facing each way which the Asura path already has shown

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. Not to mention he really doesn't have to use multiple arms, look at the scan

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You can see the water in the back being pushed as well, so it covers enough to block from all angles.

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When he presses his hands together, a violent wind sets out faster then the speed of sound!!

This technique transforms chakra and creates wind. When one's hands are clapped together, this wind is compressed and evolved into a fierce gale. The "Gale Palm" as just a isolated attack has the power to easily knock over a human.
However, it's true value comes from using it in an attack together with projectile weapons like shuriken or kunai. The speed with which they fly through the air, the power with which they hit, and their ability to wound or even kill are all increased several times!!

(Know you quoted it already but it doesn't show when I quote you)

All he has to do is clap his hands together, it says nothing about having the perfect stance :lol knowing how Asura looks like you should know that he can easily utilize this jutsu.

-Minato and Itachi can throw Kunai faster than he can deflect with Fuuton.

Really? Because Konan couldn't with shurikans who's SFX is literally *Flying Fast* and should be lighter and better suited for speedy flights (wing shaped) than Minato and Itachi's

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-Itachi can get them into his blindspots and divert them around the Fuuton, which is a burst of wind from the hands of the opponent. Nothing to do with the mouth or the face.

Feats show it covering Nagato's body from the side as well (he should still be able to use it from wherever regardless), and Nagato also has a suiton that definitely comes from the mouth and doesn't look like it needs much in terms of handsigns

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Water release: Wild Water Wave (水遁・水乱波, Suiton: Mizurappa)
Ninjutsu, C-rank, Offensive, Short to mid-range (0-10m)
User: Yahiko

A water pistol, gushing out from between one's lips!!

Water gushes out from the mouth like a waterfall and washes away the enemy! One can freely control the power of this technique with the amount chakra one releases. Having many variations, this is a basic Water Release technique.

Bold means that an adult Nagato should be able to make it that much stronger.

Don't claim using jutsu like this is laughable as that's what happens when Minato puts the staple of his offense on something as basic as a Kunai.

1. Asura Path did not tank Raikiri. You can see it pierce into it's body :lol It was only strong enough to protect Deva long enough for him to use Shinra Tensei and deflect Kakashi's attack. Doesn't need to be able to tank the attack to act as a buffer for less than 5 seconds.

It lived is what I was trying to say

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with Naraka in the same body it makes it easy to heal after taking a wound.

2. That was straight to Asura Path's torso. Thickest and most durable part of any humanoid structure. If Minato strikes Nagato in his neck, he dies. If not, he just substitutes with a Rasengan and then he dies anyway. Nagato has no feats that let him react to Minato's blitz so any thoughts of absorbing it are wasted so please don't try and argue that he can.

Everything turns Mechanical when using the Asura path bro, the neck/upper part is connected via a mechanical chord (that survived Raikri) ultimately meaning it too is mechanical, if Minato even has enough time to perfect a strike to the neck. He doesn't have to react to Preta (although he ultimately could) he'll just set up the field whenever Minato first throw the Kunai as a fail safe if some do make it through

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Full intel means he knows Rasengan might be coming.

Naraka Path is useless since an instant kill=Nagato can't initiate the jutsu. You can try and argue that he takes a Kunai slash to the neck using Asura failing to tank a Raikiri to the torso as evidence, but Rasengan kills him and there are no ifs, ands or buts about that.

Why would Rasengan kill him when it took a SM enhanced one to damage it before hand?

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Rasengan was shown to NOT kill shinobi with lesser defensive feats than Nagato (Obito, Zetsu cells aren't that good a defense if one at all) (X) unless you're going to try and say Obito moved so that the arm took the brunt of the attack, which if you say that than Nagato can most definitely react to a blitz. Especially if he see's it coming unlike Obito.

Those explosions couldn't even completely destroy those buildings it hit despite the buildings being over half it's size. The energy per area is too low for it destroy a metal Kunai that is only a fraction of those buildings and is pound for pound more durable than those buildings.

Its not an explosion persay but a chakra blast which most certainly can, especialy if Nagato concentrates it through his arm. (Aiming it at one person means it should have been concentrated)

If Nagato is in front of Susanoo, trying to absorb it. Why would he move from that position? Lmao. Moving away means breaking the absorption. "As long as he stays in relative distance to the Susanoo" doesn't make sense as a counter when that doesn't help him against any incoming attack from Minato, as he's practically in the same location

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Moving around the Susano'o .-. I was just stating he doesn't have to be still, and moving around would avoid FTG kunai thrown directly at him however I was mereley stating he could :lol Susano'o would be absorbed rather quickly and its not like he even has to do it.

The above counter doesn't help. If he's absorbing Susanoo, he's close to Itachi no matter what position he's in. Thus Minato will be able to teleport to him. The only way Nagato does the bold is if he opts to blow Itachi away instead of sit there trying to absorb his Susanoo, because there is no "blowing Minato AND Itachi back" as he can't react to Minato's blitz.

It wouldn't be a blitz though? Minato teleports to Itachi than opts to shunsin blitz Nagato which he definitely can react to whether it be with ST or just moving away.

I really hope that we aren't going to start hyping Nagato's nonexistent reflexes again.

I guess reacting to FRS is equivilant to non existant now :lol because last I checked the only other person to do that is the 3rd Raikage who's reflexes are hyped to no end along with reacting to Bee

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and SM Jiraiya (Do I need scans?) with ease, and the former was taking on Minato with his reactions. What we CAN hype is ST's activation time, which is near instant. He was able to use it EXACTLY as in THE EXACT INSTANT the 5 minute cooldown was over which means he can use it in less than a second

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Then that takes me back to Itachi's weapons skills. He either directs the Kunai close enough to Nagato so that Minato can teleport, or Minato simply teleports to the panda, marks it and then attempts to go around it.

Both of which take too much time, Nagato isn't going to sit behind the panda he'd move away after it does its job.

And lol. I hope you aren't serious with the bold. Goemon taking up a more widespread area than Susanoo doesn't mean that Goemon contains more chakra than Susanoo. I really hope you aren't going to claim that it does. Not to mention he'd have to absorb it and kill Itachi faster than Minato can teleport, which he can't do.

Okay? Why are you talking about what contains more chakra? He absorbed six tails of chakra just as quickly

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still think Susano'o has more chakra? Then so be it :lol point is it wont take long at all.

Panda shield is easily countered as it's only useful once. If he tries it again, he dies for the simple fact that Minato marked it, allowing him to teleport to it and anything in close proximity to it, which would be Nagato, as Hiraishin

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In fact, nothing is stopping him from teleporting to Nagato regardless of the panda blocking the Kunai due to how close together they are.

Only used the panda once.

@Bold he'd teleport in front of the panda in which he'd have to maneuver around with normal speed, there is no range to FTG he appears where the marking is, or in front of it. Nagato's summoning it while he's moving away from the two (he's not going to sit there like animal path did) so he can't touch him regardless. I don't even know why he'd be over there anyways Itachi in Susno'o is literally not a threat in the slightest.

-Dying by a Kunai isn't false. Dying by Rasengan isn't either.

Both are.

-How is Nagato knowing what they are going to do going to stop them from doing it? Better yet, how is it going to let Nagato counter? It's not. That's how.

He's not going to bother with Susano'o...........

Lol the stamina route? As a counter for a strategy that gets performed near the start of the fight? Itachi never once ran out of chakra against Hebi Sasuke despite using MS and having an illness. The illness draining his stamina is what killed him in the end. Give normal level stamina to someone like that and it's pretty clear that dropping dead from Susanoo before Nagato gets beaten isn't happening. Ever.

:lol proof of the bold? I'm not going the "staminat route" I merely stated that keeping Susano'o up the entire fight will drain his chakra, and he used Susano'o against Sasuke for what....5 minutes? Regardless of if he has a lot or not draining it is never a good thing, especially with Susano'o which rendered a healthy Sasuke to shit.

Naraka only works if you are alive after the attack, and Asura's enhanced durability doesn't make him durable enough to take a Kunai straight to the neck, or a Rasengan the size of Naruto's Oodama Rasengan. Preta is useless since it's only viable usage gets Nagato killed in a heartbeat.

No FTG Kunai is being thrown behind Nagato :lol, he can react as long as no surprise FTG Blitzes are taking place which will never in your life happen.

Not my duty to go down that road, but we'll see. 100% sure summons are useless here.

Alright.

Kabuto's control wasn't bad, not to mention his "control" over the summons has literally nothing to do with it's abilities functioning or not, sounds more like an excuse tbh. Amaterasu canonically one shotted the Cerberus. There is no "splitting apart" after getting hit. Only one shot is needed for the Cerberus.

Look at the scan

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The heads could clearly have split up and not been affected, attribute it to whatever you want its viable :lol.

And unless you think the bird will fly high enough to the point where Itachi can't even see it, we can forget about the bold. Not to mention the bird has to start on the ground and work it's way up. Amaterasu takes it out in an instant, then the Cerberus gets it's treatment.

Do the summons want to be target practice or....? They can move around especially seeing as he can only aim for one at a time., the crab one can even put up the wall of foam to allow the other summons to move around

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(Block Itachi's LOS with the foam is what I mean) Since it was able to use it before it was even fully summoned. The bird is constantly moving so if Itachi is going to sit there and try to aim at it so high up he can easily be struck by something else, such as BT or what not. I think its common logic that its harder to focus in on something with your eyes when its flying in spurratic directions 30 meters (if not more) above you.

If he does, then he dies due to Rasengan or Kunai to the neck.

Obviously not rasengan if its being BT'd into preta, and Minato teleporting into BT's range means he wouldn't be able to slash at him..... Throwing the Kunai is repelled via Fuuton or Suiton.

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Achieved by hitting the Kunai off of each other to change their trajectory regardless of them being in mid air. Though I'll agree that Ashura Path's mutli face function lets him see it, doesn't let him react though. Already addressed that Fuuton nonsense above.

:lol you stated something about not having the hand placement despite feats and descriptions stating otherwise. Not to mention as I said the fuuton affects all sides/

And no. Naruto pushing off with his arm wouldn't have worked as his arm doesn't grant him the length or extension the chakra arm gives him. And FRS? :lol wat? The FRS example doesn't even begin to help your point since he could've used the chakra arm to form an FRS instead of doing what he did. Not to mention:

-Couldn't have formed FRS before he got hit by the rock.
-Throwing FRS doesn't solve his problem. The rock gets cut through, but the fragments hit him. Or it hits the rock and explodes, thus Naruto gets caught in the explosion and dies.
-Using a chakra arm to push off is the smarter choice as it takes less effort to achieve the same exact result.

But yes. He can use BT on two objects at once.

Fragments of rock would damage Naruto in his KCM cloak? Two times Naruto was blitzed without him being able to move his body physically by BT. Kakashi's was a weaker version anyways, seeing as he upped its power after and he couldn't do shit

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Hmm, odd. You think Yata can tank all things despite nothing ever proving that,

I stated that like my first year on the base :lol

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Yata repelled the hydra, the explosions, and the physical attack Sasuke made on it with his sword. Thus Shinra Tensei, the part that hits Itachi's Susanoo, will be repelled. Will it hit Nagato? Maybe, maybe not. Regardless, Nagato is left without his powers and then he dies a terrible death since he can't compete without his Deva abilities. Shinra Tensei pushing Susanoo away doesn't mean anything since at the end of the day, Nagato is left without any Deva Powers and Minato and Itachi are unharmed.

Are you serious right now :lol, all of those things can be easily attributed to just being blocked? Did the explosive force reflect off and strike Sasuke? Nah, thats all that needs to be said to that silly notion.

Anyways regarding the part of CST he doesn't need Deva to take on Itachi.

Clearly mentioned that Itachi's been marked, and I've only said he throws Kunai at Nagato once or twice. I think.

True still doesn't help.

Obito couldn't react because he didn't. His state of existence per say doesn't change the fact that he was hit with no reaction. Not to mention intangibility mode can be switched on or off, and it's usually off when Obito's about to warp, meaning:

A. Minato was so fast that he struck Obito before he could turn his intangibility mode back on after Minato teleported, but before he struck.

B. Minato blitzed him.

:lol Obito was still able to realize what happened though, clearly. Which means that he merely didn't have enough time to go intangible put Nagato who knows that Minato is going to be teleporting to the kunai he throws (Obito was clearly surrpsiied)

If Minato struck Obito so fast that he couldn't switch from

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, then Obito couldn't react, thus he was blitzed. A and B are the same thing.

Nagato or Pain not getting blitzed by people not capable of instantaneous teleportation doesn't really hold much weight here. Especially since his opponents have consisted of:

-KCM Naruto who used most of his power on clones.
-SM Naruto.
-Killer B.
-Kakashi.
-Other Jonin.

Used most of his power on clones yet could still throw his most powerful attack at CT when Itachi asked him to? Thought it was common knowledge Naruto's strength isn't much affected by clones due to chakra and skill with the technique.

Wait didn't Bee react to Minato's FTG blitz with a much slower technique than Nagato's ST

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.... Twice

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(second one is iffy but first one's legit) AKA the FTG blizt isn't nigh unstoppable if you know whats coming :lol

Bee shooting a tentacle from 10 meters away<<<<<<ST/Preta for that matter which applies to arguments you've made above.

Not proof he can react. There isn't even one real piece of evidence that he can react in your whole entire post and I expected you to try and claim he could react anyway. 1 being physical and one being mental isn't proof that the mental reaction will always occur first. If I used that logic, I'd be saying that Minato shouldn't have gotten cut by Obito and Madara when they became the Juubi's Jinchuuriki, but of course, he did, before he could teleport.

It does when there are feats of him blocking someone with faster striking speed from the same distance an FTG blitz would be roughly (KCM Naruto). The FTG blitz is meant to catch the opponenet off guard do to the disregarding the Kunai :lol, pay attention to it and you can react as i've given you feats of.

All Kunai bieng repelled via Fuuton is a terrible strategy that Nagato can't keep up for the whole match due to Minato being able to throw his Kunai at a faster rate than Nagato can spam his jutsu.

:lol what? So minato's going to try and engage Nagato in a Sasuke V.S Itachi style shurikan throwing contest? Not only would the fuuton repel the kunai but it would aim for Minato as well, and Nagato who has multiple arms and abilities allowing him to do more than one thing at once would easily take advantage of Minato's stationary position, he could FTG away sure but that ends that. (How many kunai do you think he has btw)

Not sure where Nagato catching up to B w/ flight alone came from when no panel shows his flight. Rather, he's shown right next to his chameleon after it's all over, so the more likely conclusion is that the chameleon is what helped him get around as he clearly stated he was immobile on his own.

Bee would have hit the chamelon.......... unless you're trying to say it was on top of him which is false as you can see Nagato lowering himself

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Take into account that the chamelon was taller than the tree's

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and Bee was near the ground

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So he couldn't have been on top of it. (Even if he's clinging to the tree's and isn't actually larger than them, its still too large to allow Nagato to be that close to the ground if on its back)

And no, he can't fly with Deva path while his Deva Path abilities are on cooldown. So that leaves him with no way to fly as Asuras Boosters have only shown to let him move at high speeds at low altitudes. They don't grant him full blown flight.

He used it and he was still up there

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He didn't start falling. Also come on, use logic the boosters come from his feet and launched him horizontally because he positioned himself like so, stay vertical they take you vertical there is no restriction on force saying "Can only be used in one direction) force is force.

Not to mention those come from his feet, not his arms.

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is what I was saying he'd change his arm position for.

And now we've reached the point where you are taking what DB says and twisting it in your favor since you already know that Nagato gets pooped on with canon feats. Being able to manipulate his shape doesn't mean that he can form any limb wherever he wants and use any ability from any limb. When you have real evidence that "able to manipulate his shape" implies a freer level of control that has been displayed in canon then your strategy will be valid. Not like it'd matter anyway since those are low flying boosters. Nagato is not capable of full blown flight. The closest thing he has is his Deva Path levitation.

:lol you getting butt hurt because the DB States something that Kishi didn't have time to portray every single possible shape change Pain could achieve. Honestly if everything was exactly as it were in the manga what would be the point of the data book? It explains additives and more details that Kishi didn't get to show in the manga. Sick of you being butt hurt because he wrote something you don't agree with.

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Also, he can reach his feet with the form he's shown in CANON fine.

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And I'd also like to point out that Nagato summons these mechanical limbs via actual Summoning. Another reason to give Nagato more limbs and different abilities than he's shown in the Manga itself.

The way you worded this makes it an advantage for me, so i'll assume you meant not to give him a reasoning which makes no sense. He summons the mechanical aspects and than configures it, Asura had his canon in his head, Nagato in his arm AKA its interchangable.

What's Nagato going to do?

1. Asura Path has never shown homing missiles. Only normal missiles.

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It followed Chouji despite it being on a higher altitude which means if it were a normal missile it would have just struck the ground where he was and exploded. (Can see it coming down in that last scan)

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Weaker clones with less speed....Nagato has multiple missiles :lol and some summons if this is happening at the start.

3. Minato has toads who can carry his marking and his Kunai.

Toads get shat on by missiles/chakra blast, or Nagato can blitz with Human path.

4. Nagato will be busy trying not to die against the original Minato and Itachi.

Could he summon one of the paths......... No reason he can't blitz towards the toads (does he even have multiple toads summons?) and use human path.

5. The Hokage Mountain is marked.

We said no pre-existing marks, only reason I allowed it was because I forgot it was still standing.

But all this doesn't matter because he has no idea when or where Nagato is using CST on.


I didn't address that because what you are saying is impossible and makes no sense and is completely irrelevant to my point. Not to mention it also introduces hypotheticals that you can't prove when it comes to it vs. Itachi's defenses.

Who knows? But considering you have no evidence Nagato can react to Minato's Hiraishin blitz, the question is irrelevant. Not sure why you pull this same stunt w/ Nagato against every kind of speedster there is. But let's say he can, CST won't hurt Minato until he hits the ground, thus when he teleports into Susanoo...he never hits the ground and thus he never takes damage that'd kill him.

Are you serious .-.

Time to put an end to this ridiculous "ground causes damage only"

Shinra-tensei (All-Nature Repulsion).
Ninjutsu, Keke-genkai, offensive, defensive, close range.
Users:Nagato
Invisible hand of God, that repels anything in creation!
Pain Tendou uses this jutsu, utilizing the generated from the users hands repulsive (gravity) force to repel targets away. The number of targets that can be repelled and their size are irrelevant . In addition by stopping the utilization of other Pain paths the amount of chakra put in the jutsu, its strength and area of effect can be greatly increased. With one strike of its power entire Konoha no sato (Konoha village) was turned to smoldering ash. But after this jutsu has been triggered there is a small five second window it can't be used again. The originating repulsion force generated by the power of all creation”shinra obiki” (something that binds all together,so likely gravitation) forces its targets to collide together with a great force and put out additional damage, combined together with the initial force (shock wave) it puts up even more damage. Only those who can manipulate all chakra transformation properties (seishitsu) legendary “Rinnegan” wielders are allowed to posses this jutsu that has all rights to be called “crystally perfect”.
Picture: Its repulsion force is so strong that even ninjutsu and taijutsu are equally ineffective against this jutsu, with an unexpected discharge of the invisible force, it is very easy to catch opponents off guard .
So it seems that shinra tensei uses natural gravitational force, and only the one who has all chakra transformation (including yin-yang) can manipulate natural gravity field (shinra obiki).
P.S Sorry for mistakes English isn't his native language.

ADDITIONAL COMBINED WITH THE ORIGINAL SHOCKWAVE/FORCE MORE DAMAGE I've proven that Nagato can react to an FTG Blitz he see's coming as lesser shinobi with slower techniques have done so, Minato gets squashed before he hits the ground if a full CST is hitting him the original shockwave should be enough to kill by a long shot.


@bold: Via means that are impossible? Yeah. Sure. :lol Even if we let him levitate like normal it doesn't matter.

But yes. They can tell when CST is coming.

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Neither can sense well enough to detect that :lol

They would obviously be at the center tbh I don't see why he'd need to make it that large version Minato can't see it coming to FTG before it hits him regardless.

A Giant shockwave that can be seen via what it does to the ground is shown when CST is used. The moment something like that appears, Minato warps into Susanoo and Itachi tanks it and reflects, proof has been provided. DB has stated that it does so, and that isn't hyperbole so please don't mentioning anything of the sort. Lol it's funny that you are telling me to provide proof when we are claiming that Nagato reacts to a Hiraishin blitz based on nothing.

Lmfao twisting the DB its shown to not reflect force, ST reflects thigs as well but it doesn't reflect the force of ninjutsu :lol Nothing is being thrown back at Nagato and if it is it strikes the force impacting the other areas negating it anyways as the small part striking and bouncing off Itachi << The rest. That is only if he doesn't condense it anyways.

Minato either warps into Susanoo to be safe, or he warps on another location on the field to evade the directional CST.

He knows which one's coming how exactly? Prove that he can react to a base ST before you start throwing claims that he can react to a dierectional CST which is just as instant with NO Shockwave.

Minato has literally no way to see it coming, there are no paths that fall and theres no physical hint as to whats coming.

Itachi already saw it. Second of all, he doesn't need to know exactly how large it is to place a marking far away enough from the village to give him the chance to escape. Not even sure how the bold makes sense when forcing him to retreat backwards only lets him set the marking where he needs to set it as his goal is to get away from the battlefield, not towards Nagato.

Backwards as in if he were going to try and place a marking, so back towards Nagato and where all his original FTG Kunai are, lmfao what stops Nagato from using it right away once he See's Minato going to try and place it outside the crater? With full intel its in character.

Skews his focus how? :lol. Unless Nagato has some telescopic vision he's not going to see the marking on Itachi's clone. Even if he does see it, what good does that do him?

Would Marking the clone mean a crow is marked? It uses chakra to build the shape of the user, once the chakra is disturbed the form is gone revealing the crows which means he'd have to mark the crow before it converges into a clone.

A human-shaped servant is created for get-togethers, inheriting his master's powers!!

A technique that produces a clone by projecting one's own chakra towards dozens of "crows". Because it uses crows as an medium, it requires less chakra then the normal "Shadow Clone Technique," while still being able to perform techniques.

[picture of Sasuke being surrounded by the crows from Itachi's Crow Clone]
→↓The dozens of crows come together to form the body of a clone. When the chakra projected by the user is severed, the crows disperse.
[picture of Itachi's Crow Clone flying apart in front of Naruto]

He can see if Minato tries to mark a single crow :lol, and with full intel he knows that just touching it will do. Not that it matters as Nagato wouldn't let the clones reach him via anything in his arsenal whether it be Asura, Leftover Summons, Worst Case scenario ST or moving backwards as he doesn't want Itachi near him in the first place, if he uses ST and they try and throw a kunai its repelled via fuuton or suiton, worst case scenario (once again) he uses a summon as a shield, doesn't have to be panda shield.

And Nagato not needing to look Itachi in the eye to use Shinra Tensei is irrelevant as he won't be looking Itachi in the eye, he'll be looking straight ahead only for Itachi to teleport right into Nagato's face. Then there's Minato's Hiraishin blitz which he 100% can't react to. The lack of evidence in your post is proof of that.

No kunai is getting this close as I just stated but yes I have evidence he can react, Minato is carrying Itachi so he's not going to appear directly in front of his face, and its doubtful if the one kunai/crow lines up in the exact position where tsukuyomi would work anyways even if Nagato did have no way to repel every FTG marker you throw at him.

Itachi can also force CQC with Nagato while in Susanoo. Due to Yata Mirror, if Nagato tries to use normal Shinra Tensei to counter, it only gets repelled right back at him, giving Minato the perfect opportunity to blitz him with Hiraishin. His only option against Susanoo in CQC is to use Preta Path. CST focused would kill Itachi, but leave him defenseless against Minato's blitz 100% due to the unreliability of this Fuuton strategy. But Preta gets Nagato killed too since he'd just teleport right to him due to the mark he has on Itachi. Using CT in CQC isn't going to work for obvious reasons. He'd die before anything major happened due to Minato.

Fuuton and Suiton are both perfectly reliable as i've proven so for a last straw scenario it works fine. I've already shown that preta can absorb Susano'o quickly so charging at him with it is insane :lol If Minato tries to FTG blitz from the Susano'o blitz he gets squashed by a CST used right then and there.

Countered, countered, countered and countered.

Only thing you've proved with this post is that the non directional CST can be avoided if not used with Minato as the center which is still viable.

You still have no way to proove that Minato knows when CST is coming, no way to bypass Fuuton and Suiton repelling all the kunai so ST doesn't have to.

No way to make Itachi useful except as bait

No way to counter a CT used from the start if it comes down to it.

Let it be known I brought up the "worst case scenarios" a few times just because I didn't want to run out of posts without getting that across not because they're actually needed.

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Edit just switched out songs.

 

[Lord Tywin]

Edit: Zexion automatically loses for butchering Pain's theme. Shit is wack.

 

[Zexion~]

Edit: Zexion automatically loses for butchering Pain's theme. Shit is wack.

Its ****ing fire...that organ part <3

 

[Lord Tywin]

it takes away the feeling original gave

 

[Zexion~]

it takes away the feeling original gave

Its not supposed to sound omnious...although it still kind of does it just sounds firrreeeeee

I still listen to the original always

 

[KidGamer65]

Still arguing that Nagato can react to a Hiraishin blitz.....with other people's feats no less.

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My post will be up, don't know when though. Definitely not tomorrow or Wednesday.

 

[Zexion~]

:lol......

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[Zexion~]

This is def the best debate going on right now.

 

[EZQ]

Jirobo vs Zabuza takes the hype