Minato and Itachi are fairly equal but the scale tips towards Minato.

[JKakano]

Minato and Itachi are in the same league. Both characters are severly overrated(some say Itachi>Sasuke,Kabuto,Nagato etc. while others say Minato>Obito,Nagato,Hashi etc.). To even consider either of them in the league og Madara,Obito or Kabuto is just stupid but back to the topic. Minato and Itachi have very high intellegnce with Minato having a talent for short-term plans and quick thinking while Itachi has a talent for long-term thinking and mental/external analysist. Jutsu wise, Itachi has alot more in his arsenal but Minato has more effective ones.

In the end, it all comes down to STAMINA. As we all know, Itachi really lacks the stamina to keep up in long-term fights which keeps him from being ranked higher. Mianto is way too fast for Itachi abilites to connect and isnt stupid enough to look into his eyes. The only technigue Minato has that can harm Itachi is rasengan and that can become useless when susanoo is activated. However, Itachi needs susanoo to protect himself from Minato and sausanoo is but a TEMPORARY defense. Itachi will eventually run out of stamina and he is doomed against Mianto.

Minato wins.

I disagreed. Sound like you are bit fan of minato. remember itachi was sick thats why his stamina is not good OR stats is wrong because look at sasuke's stats and he couldn't use complete susanoo unlike itachi, he use complete susano quite easily.. susanoo is cost great chraka which mean sound like itachi had more stamina than sasuke but the fact sasuke has more stamina many people never noticed it so i think itachi has good stamina same level as kakshi i guess. understand? We don't know much of minato too.. so how would you know if minato have a good stamina? itachi knew minato which mean he will know and keep away from knife. minato movement speed is not fast only with knife with seal on it. Ive no idea who will win. No way for us to guess. All we can say is they are equal or depends on landscape and time etc

 

[Sylaz]

You can't compare those two.
Itachi has way more screen time than Minato?
Besides your using real logic on a fictional universe? I mean how do you even define stamina in the narutoverse?
And shouldn't the comparison be when both were at there peak?

 

[TobiIsYourMom]

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[beast7960]

Here I thought Minato was the one who curbstomped obito on the of the kyuubi attack, must be reading the wrong manga.

 

[Dantee]

Excuse me while I shit on this thread.

Minato is at an insane disadvantage that fanboys overlook again and again.

1st disadvantage- Itachi can counter all of Minato's techs.

Itachi's shuriken jutsu is best in the series. He can counter all of Minato's ftg kunais with shurikens of his owns

Itachi can see all of Minato's ground seals. The sharigan allows Itachi to see chakra so ground seals are no surprise to Itachi who can already see them.

Rasengan is useless against even a ribcage Susanoo which I hardly doubt Itachi would have to resort to as defense. Itachi has a 5 in areas of speed and tai. If you think Minato is blitzing Itachi without ftg :rofl:

Why Itachi shits on Minato....

Genjutsu,Genjutsu,Genjutsu.

It's already manga fact that fighting someone without looking in their eyes is easier said than done. Only Gai has been able to work up an effective counter.

Even without eye contact Itachi is still able to cast high level genjutsu's on you.
Now we have Amaterasu. If Minato is not looking at Itachi's eyes how will he know when to avoid amaterasu?

Now even while Minato is hendered fighting an opponent without looking at his eyes, can be hit with amaterasu at anytime and can still be effected by genjutsu.

PEOPLE still think Minato can win???? :rofl:


Itachi's stamina is hardly a problem because did he not outlast Sasuke with Cm while he was sick?


Fanboys Fanboys Fanboys.

 

[jorgelius]

first of all im itachi fan, been since he first appeared but i could give it to you minato take this probably, you minato boys prob hate that tsukyomi trump card but while it is 1 on 1 tsukyomi is end of bs, tsukyomi takes effect bs stop that instant... BUT if minato can teleport while under genjutsu(just make sings to change location no matter how close through other dimension what ever) genjutsu might end, no one can prove that though

what dantee in his awesome post didn't consirder what counter itachi have if he got marked ? i know itachi caliber sharingan user is hard to even touch but fourth can do it. susanoo prob isn't fast enough to dodge teleport + rasengan combo.. hahah i came here to say your probably right but while writing starting to list reasons why he don't win itachi heh let's call it a tie

 

[Dantee]

first of all im itachi fan, been since he first appeared but i could give it to you minato take this probably, you minato boys prob hate that tsukyomi trump card but while it is 1 on 1 tsukyomi is end of bs, tsukyomi takes effect bs stop that instant... BUT if minato can teleport while under genjutsu(just make sings to change location no matter how close through other dimension what ever) genjutsu might end, no one can prove that though

what dantee in his awesome post didn't consirder what counter itachi have if he got marked ? i know itachi caliber sharingan user is hard to even touch but fourth can do it. susanoo prob isn't fast enough to dodge teleport + rasengan combo.. hahah i came here to say your probably right but while writing starting to list reasons why he don't win itachi heh let's call it a tie

You can't cast jutsu while you're under someone elses genjutsu. Especially not Itachi's tsyukomi. I'm not sure why Itachi would allow himself to be marked but Susanoo is always viable counter he did react to the speed of lightning... Not only that but Itachi would surely notice because of sharigan and a simple disband of clothing is all it takes to get rid of it.

 

[jorgelius]

yeah.. that speed of lightning susanoo is somewhat unclear in anime susanoo take shape later but other hand it was able withstand kirin which is massively stronger attack than rasengan so.. hmm, tag itachi is best way to go anyhow teleport is faster than lightning ) but if it need any markings to jump, itachi can prepare.. not long itachi find blind spot to all ftg kunais hide let clone confuse minato then suprise him, probably minato too dodge that kind of attacks...
one thing is bad for minato= even finger genjutsu is enough naruto have bigger chakra reserve than minato and he couldn't broke itachi finger illusion so minato can't either and jiraya show that to naruto and jiraya was also minato's teacher, minato wins pure ninjutsu combat, but long as itachi is able form genjutsus minato will drop to the spot

 

[Baka Sennin]

Excuse me while I shit on this thread.

Minato is at an insane disadvantage that fanboys overlook again and again.

1st disadvantage- Itachi can counter all of Minato's techs.

Itachi's shuriken jutsu is best in the series. He can counter all of Minato's ftg kunais with shurikens of his owns

Itachi can see all of Minato's ground seals. The sharigan allows Itachi to see chakra so ground seals are no surprise to Itachi who can already see them.

Rasengan is useless against even a ribcage Susanoo which I hardly doubt Itachi would have to resort to as defense. Itachi has a 5 in areas of speed and tai. If you think Minato is blitzing Itachi without ftg :rofl:

Why Itachi shits on Minato....

Genjutsu,Genjutsu,Genjutsu.

It's already manga fact that fighting someone without looking in their eyes is easier said than done. Only Gai has been able to work up an effective counter.

Even without eye contact Itachi is still able to cast high level genjutsu's on you.
Now we have Amaterasu. If Minato is not looking at Itachi's eyes how will he know when to avoid amaterasu?

Now even while Minato is hendered fighting an opponent without looking at his eyes, can be hit with amaterasu at anytime and can still be effected by genjutsu.

PEOPLE still think Minato can win???? :rofl:


Itachi's stamina is hardly a problem because did he not outlast Sasuke with Cm while he was sick?


Fanboys Fanboys Fanboys.

sorry but all your points are false.

a. shuriken vs minato's ftg kunai. first of all, minato's kunai are heavier than an average kunai, and obv way heavier than a shuriken ie. they can't be deflected by much. secondly, minato spreads his kunai around the battllefield so itachi deflecting them all wouldnt really do much good. thirdly, you're assuming minato tries to hit itachi directly with a kunai and itachi instantly knowing that minato can teleport to it.

b. Itachi may be able to see chakra seals on the ground, but Obito didn't even notice that minato had put one on his body. and obito has previous knowledge of ftg. meaning that it's easier said than done.

c. do you know who will also have a 5 in speed and tai? A, Bee and Obito. all were blitzed by minato. your assumption that ftg is useless vs itachi is based on faulty assumption. all minato needs to do is get close. and minato's base speed>itachi's. as to rasengan vs susanoo, once itachi puts up susanoo he's dead as it taxes both his stamina and his eyes dreadfully. unless you expect him to fight to blindness and death like with sasuke that is. he can use susanoo for minutes at best, and he can't hit minato while in it, unless you think he can totsuka sword minato.

d. genjutsu. the one where he caught naruto is not high level, naruto is shit at genjutsu and has crappy chakra control and almost broke it. apart from tsukuyomi, itachi will really have to work hard to trap minato in a good one and take advantage of it. plus, with minato teleporting it's even harder to trap him in one.

e. and to my favourite, amaterasu. a. itachi can barely use amaterasu, same with susanoo. there's a reason he doesn't use those tecniques needlessly like sasuke, look at part 1 he had to retreat twice in a day after using them. if you use edo feats, that's another story, but against sasuke he fought through the pain and blindness to achieve his goal, because he wanted to die. if he wants to live he needs to be much more careful. at any rate. a. minato has the reaction time to teleport out of the way and b. amaterasu doesnt burn as quickly as you'd like it to be, karin escaped unschated, and so did bee (relatively), and that samurai. minato is a master of fuinjutsu, so if j-man could seal amaterasu, minato can too. of course he would get burned a little if hit, but not enough to leave irreparable damage (look at karin, she was burned for several seconds).

as to itachi vs sasuke, sasuke lost in stamina solely because that substitution jutsu makes a number on you chakra. plus, sasuke has a stamina level of 3.5, hardly the stuff of legends.

at any rate, while he was alive minato fought kage, perfect jinchuuriki, s-t users which itachi was too afraid to attack head on and the strongest tailed beast, and for the most part he won. while alive itachi beat naruto, deidara, orochimaru and sasuke, and fled jiraiya. no contest really, especially given that we've seen much more of itachi and his full arsenal and the bare minimum of minato. sorry, but he's on a whole other level.

 

[apple pie of doom]

Wow.
Minato fanboys galore.

 

[Dantee]

sorry but all your points are false.

a. shuriken vs minato's ftg kunai. first of all, minato's kunai are heavier than an average kunai, and obv way heavier than a shuriken ie. they can't be deflected by much. secondly, minato spreads his kunai around the battllefield so itachi deflecting them all wouldnt really do much good. thirdly, you're assuming minato tries to hit itachi directly with a kunai and itachi instantly knowing that minato can teleport to it.

Every knowledagle character has a least some info on kages. Itachi who has lived through the war a kid prodigy will have at least some info on the 4th. He's also from the leaf, do you really think he knows nothing about Minato??? Not only that the fact his kunai are chakra based is simply suspicious. Itachi is not near dum enough to get near it.

Proof kunai can't be deflected by shuriken?

b. Itachi may be able to see chakra seals on the ground, but Obito didn't even notice that minato had put one on his body. and obito has previous knowledge of ftg. meaning that it's easier said than done.

That's because Obito was already blitzed with a rasengan and marked on his back. He was already defeated once he was touched. That was Obito careless mistake as a 14 year old w/o experience. Don't compare them

c. do you know who will also have a 5 in speed and tai? A, Bee and Obito. all were blitzed by minato. your assumption that ftg is useless vs itachi is based on faulty assumption. all minato needs to do is get close. and minato's base speed>itachi's. as to rasengan vs susanoo, once itachi puts up susanoo he's dead as it taxes both his stamina and his eyes dreadfully. unless you expect him to fight to blindness and death like with sasuke that is. he can use susanoo for minutes at best, and he can't hit minato while in it, unless you think he can totsuka sword minato.

What base feats does Minato have that put him above Itachi? Itachi blitzed Bee with base speed alone. Minato hasn't blitzed anyone without ftg. I already explained why ftg is futile against Itachi. Ribcage Susanoo is enough to tank Rasengan. Theres no need for Itachi to waste Stamina forming his large one against a speedy opponent.

d. genjutsu. the one where he caught naruto is not high level, naruto is shit at genjutsu and has crappy chakra control and almost broke it. apart from tsukuyomi, itachi will really have to work hard to trap minato in a good one and take advantage of it. plus, with minato teleporting it's even harder to trap him in one.


:rofl: A genjutsu that controls reality is not low level. Not only that genjutsu is used to create openings. Itachi won't give Minato the luxury he gave Naruto to try and break out of it.

e. and to my favourite, amaterasu. a. itachi can barely use amaterasu, same with susanoo. there's a reason he doesn't use those tecniques needlessly like sasuke, look at part 1 he had to retreat twice in a day after using them. if you use edo feats, that's another story, but against sasuke he fought through the pain and blindness to achieve his goal, because he wanted to die. if he wants to live he needs to be much more careful. at any rate. a. minato has the reaction time to teleport out of the way and b. amaterasu doesnt burn as quickly as you'd like it to be, karin escaped unschated, and so did bee (relatively), and that samurai. minato is a master of fuinjutsu, so if j-man could seal amaterasu, minato can too. of course he would get burned a little if hit, but not enough to leave irreparable damage (look at karin, she was burned for several seconds).

Itachi will use amaterasu as a trump card. He shot nearly 5 against Sasuke. He can't dodge amaterasu if he's avoiding Itachi's eyes. He's either looking at his eyes or not fanboys....

as to itachi vs sasuke, sasuke lost in stamina solely because that substitution jutsu makes a number on you chakra. plus, sasuke has a stamina level of 3.5, hardly the stuff of legends.

3.5 stamina is above average and yet Itachi outlasted him? Itachi is a master of chakra control. His low stamina hardly means a thing. I doubt he needs a 100 in stamina to fight against Minato who also prefers to end battles quickly.

at any rate, while he was alive minato fought kage, perfect jinchuuriki, s-t users which itachi was too afraid to attack head on and the strongest tailed beast, and for the most part he won. while alive itachi beat naruto, deidara, orochimaru and sasuke, and fled jiraiya. no contest really, especially given that we've seen much more of itachi and his full arsenal and the bare minimum of minato. sorry, but he's on a whole other level.

The rest of the post is your bs opinion. Itachi 1 hit a sannin at the age of 13 and you want to talk about whole other levels? Who has Minato really beat? A young raikage and bee, 14 year old Obito? Cool story. Lets just stick with the feats.

 

[niblack89]

If Minato gets a FTG on Itachi then the games up he could kill him at any point in time.

 

[Baka Sennin]

The rest of the post is your bs opinion. Itachi 1 hit a sannin at the age of 13 and you want to talk about whole other levels? Who has Minato really beat? A young raikage and bee, 14 year old Obito? Cool story. Lets just stick with the feats.

congratulations, you obviously made no effort to read my points and instead spouted your own nonsense again.

a. you've given no proof as to how itachi would stop minato from spreading his kunai around the battlefield to give him options. a heavier projectile is hard to deflect with a light one which is obvious, so itachi can't really mess up minato's spreading of kunai by much unless it's close range, and even then since minato can teleport to whenever he wants around that kunai, it's still close enough to just touch itachi.

as to obito, yeah he may have been 14, but at 14 he had already more feats than any other 14 year old. tell me who else had controlled the kyuubi, slaughtered over a score of jounin in single combat and went toe to toe with the strongest ninja of the age by yr 14. tell me what exactly about obito's fight was careless. it's obviously tough to avoid both kunai and minato touching you all at the same time. stopping minato from touching you is almost a futile exercise, all you can do is focus on the counter.

minato blitzed obito with base speed, and bee's tentacle as well, it's widely known that his base speed and reactions are the best and if you seriously consider itachi to be superior in that regard i'm wasting my time arguing with someone so close minded.

a ribcage susanoo is still a huge strain on stamina. sasuke has shown greater use of susano than itachi, and even then against danzou he barely lasted 10 minutes using incomplete versions on and off. it's not a technique which lasts a lot.

as to the genjutsu, i never said it was low level, only that it's not very hard to break if naruto could almost break out of it. plus, itachi can't even move himself when he uses that particular genjutsu. although there are others in which he can.

and itachi used TWO amaterasu, not 5. one to defeat the katon jutsu of sasuke and the other, admittedly huge one to set sasuke on fire. plus, the pressure which there is before amaterasu is clearly detectable, as shown when sasuke, A, shee, nagato and naruto anticipated it. so there's no need to look at his eyes, although the bleeding would give it away. plus, i've given you valid counters how minato can deal with amaterasu even if it hits, which you've conveniently ignored.

as i've already told you, sasuke wasted a huge part of his stamina to deal with amaterasu, as noted by both parties in the fight. and while it's true that minato prefers to end battles quickly, it's also true that itachi will need the MS to deal with minato, unless you're of the opinion that minato can't even get close to itachi.

and if you really think Itachi's feats while alive> Minato's sole 2 shown feats you're an idiot. A and Bee or Obito and the kyuubi would both make tatters of Itachi, as powerful as he is.

 

[Owarij]

You think stamina will be the deciding factor of this fight? Itachi's knows he isn't some stamina beast, in all his fights he tries to end them fast to avoid a drawn out battle... his entire arsenal of jutsu is filled with things that will kill you almost instantly once hit....


I can show you why Itachi > Minato, go to versus thread , look for a thread called Minato vs Itachi (logical debate)

A and Bee

Make itachi healthy and I can argue he wins, sick Itachi and we have a problem

 

[Dantee]

congratulations, you obviously made no effort to read my points and instead spouted your own nonsense again.

a. you've given no proof as to how itachi would stop minato from spreading his kunai around the battlefield to give him options. a heavier projectile is hard to deflect with a light one which is obvious, so itachi can't really mess up minato's spreading of kunai by much unless it's close range, and even then since minato can teleport to whenever he wants around that kunai, it's still close enough to just touch itachi.

as to obito, yeah he may have been 14, but at 14 he had already more feats than any other 14 year old. tell me who else had controlled the kyuubi, slaughtered over a score of jounin in single combat and went toe to toe with the strongest ninja of the age by yr 14. tell me what exactly about obito's fight was careless. it's obviously tough to avoid both kunai and minato touching you all at the same time. stopping minato from touching you is almost a futile exercise, all you can do is focus on the counter.

minato blitzed obito with base speed, and bee's tentacle as well, it's widely known that his base speed and reactions are the best and if you seriously consider itachi to be superior in that regard i'm wasting my time arguing with someone so close minded.

a ribcage susanoo is still a huge strain on stamina. sasuke has shown greater use of susano than itachi, and even then against danzou he barely lasted 10 minutes using incomplete versions on and off. it's not a technique which lasts a lot.

as to the genjutsu, i never said it was low level, only that it's not very hard to break if naruto could almost break out of it. plus, itachi can't even move himself when he uses that particular genjutsu. although there are others in which he can.

and itachi used TWO amaterasu, not 5. one to defeat the katon jutsu of sasuke and the other, admittedly huge one to set sasuke on fire. plus, the pressure which there is before amaterasu is clearly detectable, as shown when sasuke, A, shee, nagato and naruto anticipated it. so there's no need to look at his eyes, although the bleeding would give it away. plus, i've given you valid counters how minato can deal with amaterasu even if it hits, which you've conveniently ignored.

as i've already told you, sasuke wasted a huge part of his stamina to deal with amaterasu, as noted by both parties in the fight. and while it's true that minato prefers to end battles quickly, it's also true that itachi will need the MS to deal with minato, unless you're of the opinion that minato can't even get close to itachi.

and if you really think Itachi's feats while alive> Minato's sole 2 shown feats you're an idiot. A and Bee or Obito and the kyuubi would both make tatters of Itachi, as powerful as he is.

We've seen projectile being deflected over and over again. Just because 1 is slightly heavier than the other doesn't mean it won't throw the projectile off balance. Itachi has the best shuriken jutsu in the series how can he not deflect Minato's kunai. I suggest reading the manga over.

Again show proof that can't be deflected? You have none. Itachi wouldn't get close to a chakra based kunai. do you think he's that dum? Do you really believe he knows nothing about ftg.

Even so Obito was unexperienced and was biting more than he can chew. If he was truly experienced he would have gotten Minato the 1st time around. Do you read manga? Minato hit Obito with the rasengan first thats only reason he got marked in the 1st place. He was careless.


You just decided to ignore about what I said about ribcage susanoo and rasengan. Itachi doesn't need to maintain it. If it even comes down to Itachi being hit with rasengan he can simply form it just for the moment.


Minato never blitzed anyone with base speed . Please if he did find me that scan.....because it didn't happen. Itachi also has very similar base speed and reaction speeds. Your the one who's close minded.

Itachi can't move while using genjutsu? -Sigh- your arguments are getting less and less intelligent.

Stamina is not a deciding factor in this battle. Why are we will arguing about it.

Minato is not a sensor like Shee, Nagato and Naruto never dodged Amaterasu. A was just avoiding Sasukes eye sight, while he was looking Sasuke in the eye.

Itachi can counter everything Minato can do.

How does Minato counter his genjutsu/ amaterasu while not looking at his eyes? How Minato deal with fighting an opponent he can't look in the eyes when it's already manga fact not everyone can deal with an opponent like that. Don't give me that Obito bs because Obito is not the genjutsu type, not only that his mask covers up his face.


O and just to humor your broken ABC logic. A and Bee would have lost looking Itachi in the eyes.

Obito would have fled from Amaterasu or Itachi's broken Tsyukomi

The Kyuubi would have got sealed from Toska Blade.