Minato and Ay vs. First Hokage (alive)

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Minato is not an edo but starts off in kcm somehow.
Ay starts at full lightning enhanced speed.
Both parties have intent to kill.

Distance = mid range

I say the First gets blitzed before he can do anything
 

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I think every Mokuton tech is almost instantaneous. Anyway, all he has to do is get one Mokuton tech out to buy him a second/half a second to enter SM, and SM Hashirama isn't ever going to get blitzed by Minato/V2 Ay since his reactions are amped high enough for him to dodge both of them.
 

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I think every Mokuton tech is almost instantaneous. Anyway, all he has to do is get one Mokuton tech out to buy him a second/half a second to enter SM, and SM Hashirama isn't ever going to get blitzed by Minato/V2 Ay since his reactions are amped high enough for him to dodge both of them.
What speed feats does Harashima have? He might be fast but Minato and Ay can freakin teleport
 

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Minato blitz.His son went from fodder speed to the fastest shunshin user just by using the kyuubi's chakra.Now imagine minato with that boost.
 

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What speed feats does Harashima have? He might be fast but Minato and Ay can freakin teleport
None but in SM he reacts to Minato and Ay.

Jukai Koutan would buy him enough time to enter SM.
Penguin said:
5 meters - 15 meters is mid range. Either way he dies due to V2 Raikage Ei speed blitz
Holy balls, that's mid range?

Ay blitzes him.
 

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debunking the nonsense about a speed blitz.
hashirama has equal to speed and reactions to madara:
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who was able to guard against Eis speed without even using susano:
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there is also the fact that an ftg user is confirmed to not even be in the same ballpark as hashirama. neither minato or Ei have any chance of surprising hashirama with speed or pressuring him with it. against top tiers like hashirama, only power will suffice.

anyone saying that blitzing is even a possible outcome cannot comprehend the manga at all and should be ignored.

how hashirama beats Ei
moving on

a single clone of hashirama would suffice in effortlessly beating Ei. a hashirama clone possesses the ability to use jukai koutan:
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Ei needs onokis help to get away from the forest creation:
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Ei is a nonfactor.


how hashirama counters BM minatos firepower.
outside of bijudama, BM minato cant scratch a mokujin. the only possible outcome in cqc is this:
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he cannot physically take down a construct that can clash physically with madaras perfect susano:
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any single bijudama get caught:
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multiple bijudamas get caught with 5 mokuton hands:
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for a "super bijudama", hashirama redirects them with mountain sized rashoumon:
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the biggest bijudama we have seen from 50% kurama is nowhere near the rashoumon in size.

the bijudama is roughly 5 times the size of 50% kurama:
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50% kurama is half of 100% of kurama(obviously):
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100% kurama isnt even close to the size of a full scale mountain:
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a super bijudama is nowhere near the size of the rashoumon so it will get deflected easily.

how hashirama puts down minato:
minatos BM was put out of commission by a single root of the shinju:
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an individual root of the shinju has inferior feats to hashiramas mokuton.

it was easily sliced by sasukes complete susano(a root multiple times bigger than what took out minatos BM):
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the mokuryu is able to take a sword slash from madaras complete susano:
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the mokuryu subjugates minatos kurama avatar:
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the flower world finishes the match:
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the match goes to hashirama quite handily.
 
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