[Discussion] Mihawk vs shichibukai?

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Ready what he says closer genius...

That's what he was expecting to see.

Ah...but does that mean he thinks it himself since he's the one who made this thread. Anyways this thread can't be taken seriously....and just lol at people saying Mihawk > Admiral. These claims are coming out of peoples ass with nothing to back it up.
 

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Ah...but does that mean he thinks it himself since he's the one who made this thread. Anyways this thread can't be taken seriously....and just lol at people saying Mihawk > Admiral. These claims are coming out of peoples ass with nothing to back it up.

I could make a thread saying Naruto > Superman doesn't mean I believe it lol

And yeah Mihawk sparred on nearly even terms with Shanks, he's above Admiral level believe it or not :3
 

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I could make a thread saying Naruto > Superman doesn't mean I believe it lol

And yeah Mihawk sparred on nearly even terms with Shanks, he's above Admiral level believe it or not :3
Yea I know people make threads like those but in this case it doesn't seem like a troll thread apparently when we actually have to debate about it. LOL Admiral > Mihawk bro, this is getting silly. Mihawk isn't even portrayed to be on even terms with WB, you think he can handle the likes of Akainu when he is having trouble with Vista?
 

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What do you think, Fireplay?

I may lack reading comprehention, you are lacking common sense hijey-kun :)
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Do you think there's anyone that can beat that lineup of Warlords OP gave?

LOL Admiral > Mihawk bro, this is getting silly.
Based on what?

you think he can handle the likes of Akainu when he is having trouble with Vista?
Based on what?
 

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What do you think, Fireplay?


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Do you think there's anyone that can beat that lineup of Warlords OP gave?


Based on what?


Based on what?

Gauntlet style, i see a couple of characters with a good chance(including mihawk), but all at once? I dont think so.

"Based on what?"

Are you really asking him that question, when 90% of your argument is based on assumptions?
 

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... please don't turn Mihawk into the Itachi of One Piece... an epic character, but overrated by his fanboys.

The Shichibukai take this mid diff.
 

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What do you think, Fireplay?


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Do you think there's anyone that can beat that lineup of Warlords OP gave?


Based on what?


Based on what?

Sorry but do you guys pay attention to the show?

Alright Mihawk is > Admiral right?

Well lets see here:

Daz Bones blocks his slash it takes two slashes to take Daz Bones out and Daz is still not knocked out. :
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Croc clashes with him, Mihawk has to stop chasing Luffy because Croc is a threat :
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Vista Clashes with him:
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Vista giving Mihawk trouble, Mihawk not even able to put a scratch on him fights him to a stalemate:
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This same Vista tries to cheapshot a real Top tier, an Admiral:
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it hardly irritates him, he's like a bug to him. He plows through a bunch of commanders and Vista is just another one of the bugs.

Mihawk being portrayed to be under WB as he wasn't able to reach him, when he wanted to test the Gap between him and WB.
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Meanwhile Akainu and WB are portrayed to be equals
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Aoikiji gets powerscaled to Akainu's level:
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Now you tell me how Mihawk > Admiral lol. I didn't think I'd ever have to even argue for this as it should be quite obvious.

Mihawk isnt even = Admiral let alone > Admiral. This is like Hiruzen fanboys claiming Hiruzen is the strongest Kage cause of supposed Hype. Mihawk is not equal to Shanks he hasn't proven it hes proven against it, he has to show something in the future to warrant he is of that calibre cause as of now an Admiral mid diffs him. Besides that was years ago when Shanks wasn't a Yonkou, Shanks feats hype portrayal all put him above Mihawk and on Admiral/Yonkou level.
 

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I don't see that team of Warlords together beating people in the same league as the admiral and yonko. The second strongest Warlord is arguable Doflamingo, and we saw how he faired against casual Aokiji. He's also going to get beaten by Luffy(most likely with Doflamingo being injured). This is pretty much putting a team of Franky, Robin and Usopps up against one of the monster trio. We know how hard they would get their ass kicked. The gap between the best and the next best is huge that with numbers he can't beat him
Ah I just noticed this right now. You're one of those huh? Mihawk is not far from Doflamingo infact from current feats, hype etc. its a close fight. But I laugh everytime I see the Aokiji vs DD claim...what did we see in that fight? What happened, unless its some made up fantasy of yours this is the only thing that happened in that little squabble : Aokiji casually freezes DD, DD easily breaks out of his ice. past this what are you gonna say to justify your downplay for DD....lemme guess just because he's the main villain for this arc you're molding that encounter to meet your own powerscale of that little encounter. This is the only thing that happened
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, so please just take the manga for what it is and stop twisting what actually happened.
 

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Gauntlet style, i see a couple of characters with a good chance(including mihawk), but all at once? I dont think so.

"Based on what?"

Are you really asking him that question, when 90% of your argument is based on assumptions?

Fair enough.

If it's based on something, then it's a conclusion and not an assumption.

Sorry but do you guys pay attention to the show?
Yeah. Do you?


Daz Bones blocks his slash it takes two slashes to take Daz Bones out and Daz is still not knocked out. :
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A long ranged attack aimed at a rubber body and not a man made out of steel. Besides, it's not like Oda is going to kill of his main character.

Croc clashes with him, Mihawk has to stop chasing Luffy because Croc is a threat :
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Threat to him? Wow, aren't you going to downplay Mihawk some more now? We saw how Crocodile came out alive of this so called clash, meaning there is no way Mihawk even fought the guy. Pre timeskip Crocodile is A LOT weaker than current M3 (and isn't even a threat to them) who in turn are A LOT weaker than Mihawk.


Vista Clashes with him:
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Ok
Vista giving Mihawk trouble, Mihawk not even able to put a scratch on him fights him to a stalemate:
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Eh uh, what? The only trouble you're speaking of is the same the other WB commanders gave the admirals. Aokiji and Kizaru needed outside help to defeat Marco and Jozu respectively and nether of the admirals damaged them.

This same Vista tries to cheapshot a real Top tier, an Admiral:
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it hardly irritates him, he's like a bug to him. He plows through a bunch of commanders and Vista is just another one of the bugs.
And we saw how Marco faired against another 'real' top tier, admiral named Kizaru. In fact, Kizaru couldn't even beat him without outside help. So, here you're either wanking Akainu or downplaying both Kizaru or Mihawk who fought Marco and Vista respectively. Also, Whitebeard failed to get passed an admirals haki twice too, are you going to downplay him too?

Mihawk being portrayed to be under WB as he wasn't able to reach him, when he wanted to test the Gap between him and WB.
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Yeah, smartass. While the gap seemed small between them like Mihawk said, he was weaker than the strongest man in the world like everybody else.

Meanwhile Akainu and WB are portrayed to be equals
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Akainu was weaker than Whitebeard, even with a stab in the chest.


Now you tell me how Mihawk > Admiral lol. I didn't think I'd ever have to even argue for this as it should be quite obvious.
Their hype puts them in the same league. So, don't act like it's a fact an admiral is stronger than Mihawk.

Mihawk isnt even = Admiral let alone > Admiral.
Another baseless claim.


Ah I just noticed this right now. You're one of those huh? Mihawk is not far from Doflamingo infact from current feats, hype etc. its a close fight.
One of what? The people that are following the manga correctly? Yeah, I am. Mihawk is far from Doflamingo. Mihawk's hype and portrayal and feats all shit over any Warlord we know of. In fact, a tired Law was a trouble for Doflamingo who fought him for a long time and even managed to put a scratch on him.

But I laugh everytime I see the Aokiji vs DD claim...what did we see in that fight? What happened, unless its some made up fantasy of yours this is the only thing that happened in that little squabble : Aokiji casually freezes DD, DD easily breaks out of his ice. past this what are you gonna say to justify your downplay for DD....lemme guess just because he's the main villain for this arc you're molding that encounter to meet your own powerscale of that little encounter. This is the only thing that happened
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, so please just take the manga for what it is and stop twisting what actually happened.
Casual Aokiji attack made Doflamino heavily pant, he did by no means get out of it easilly. Fujitora merely testing his power making Doflamingo shit his pants. He's not being portrayed someone that can give a fight to top tiers. We saw how people that can give top tiers a fight took much stronger attacks than the casual one Aokiji did with ease. And yes, every encounter DD had with a top tier and him being taken down perfectly fits my powerscaling of where he is at.
 

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Mihawk would beat everyone except blackbeard
 

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A long ranged attack aimed at a rubber body and not a man made out of steel. Besides, it's not like Oda is going to kill of his main character.
Your point being? This is Daz Bonez we are talking about the guy who got one shotted by Alabasta Zoro......Oda would never portray an Admiral attack to be deflected by this guy regardless of the situation. That tells you a lot about portrayal.


Threat to him? Wow, aren't you going to downplay Mihawk some more now? We saw how Crocodile came out alive of this so called clash, meaning there is no way Mihawk even fought the guy. Pre timeskip Crocodile is A LOT weaker than current M3 (and isn't even a threat to them) who in turn are A LOT weaker than Mihawk.
Yes I know he's weaker. But unless you can explain to me why Mihawk stopped chasing after Luffy and got STOPPED by Crocodile, you're not saying much. Again Croc could never clash with an Admiral. Again portrayal, that would never be portrayed with Shanks or an Admiral.



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Eh uh, what? The only trouble you're speaking of is the same the other WB commanders gave the admirals. Aokiji and Kizaru needed outside help to defeat Marco and Jozu respectively and nether of the admirals damaged them.
Uh yes...um incase you didn't know Marco and Jozu are in a different league compared to the rest............


And we saw how Marco faired against another 'real' top tier, admiral named Kizaru. In fact, Kizaru couldn't even beat him without outside help. So, here you're either wanking Akainu or downplaying both Kizaru or Mihawk who fought Marco and Vista respectively. Also, Whitebeard failed to get passed an admirals haki twice too, are you going to downplay him too?
Marco is around Admiral level nothing wrong with that. He was the only one who was capable of fending off Akainu's punches 1v1, Vista didn't do anything. Cant be compared to Marco. No need to downplay WB, its not surprising he failed to get pass an Admirals haki they are the same level after all, let me know when WB didn't manage to hurt an Admiral with a cheapshot. WB also suffered from illness which caused his haki to go up and down.


Yeah, smartass. While the gap seemed small between them like Mihawk said, he was weaker than the strongest man in the world like everybody else.
Uh.....except for Akainu, Shanks etc. who are portrayed to be around the same level.


Akainu was weaker than Whitebeard, even with a stab in the chest.
........Akainu managed to fight WB on even terms, even when bloodlusted WB couldn't kill him off and Akainu managed to blow half his head off. More or less same level mate.



Their hype puts them in the same league. So, don't act like it's a fact an admiral is stronger than Mihawk.
Nope no hype puts Mihawk on the same level. WGS? How many swordsman did we see that care for that title? Vista, Zoro? Yonkou title , Admiral title >> WGS title.


Another baseless claim.
Not baseless at all, everything I wrote above puts to Admiral > Mihawk.....its not even close. If all you can say is baseless this baseless that than that only further proves my point. You literally can't prove anything regarding Mihawk being = Admirals



One of what? The people that are following the manga correctly? Yeah, I am. Mihawk is far from Doflamingo. Mihawk's hype and portrayal and feats all shit over any Warlord we know of. In fact, a tired Law was a trouble for Doflamingo who fought him for a long time and even managed to put a scratch on him.
Lol implying Mihawk is much stronger and could have done better, with no proof........wheres your proof mate?


Casual Aokiji attack made Doflamino heavily pant, he did by no means get out of it easilly. Fujitora merely testing his power making Doflamingo shit his pants. He's not being portrayed someone that can give a fight to top tiers. We saw how people that can give top tiers a fight took much stronger attacks than the casual one Aokiji did with ease. And yes, every encounter DD had with a top tier and him being taken down perfectly fits my powerscaling of where he is at.
Doflamingo taunted Aokiji to freeze him when he ignored his plea to leave Smoker. LOL did you just claim he didn't get out of it easily when he broke through in mere seconds, without any drawbacks. Panting could simply be from freezing, anyone who had to hold their breath has to pant....its only normal since he couldn't breath during the time he was frozen.....

Again I will say this again, you have not even given a slightest bit of feats to say Mihawk stands on even ground with Admirals whereas I can go on forever with this. You're only way out is to say he fought Shanks a decade ago when Shanks wasn't a Yonkou and he got his arm eaten by a sea king....
 

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Your point being? This is Daz Bonez we are talking about the guy who got one shotted by Alabasta Zoro......Oda would never portray an Admiral attack to be deflected by this guy regardless of the situation. That tells you a lot about portrayal.
Does it look like Mihawk was aiming at Luffy or Daz Bones there? Clearly, he wasn't going after Daz Bones so you're not getting anywhere with this. Once he had to go after Daz, he took him down with one attack.


Yes I know he's weaker. But unless you can explain to me why Mihawk stopped chasing after Luffy and got STOPPED by Crocodile, you're not saying much. Again Croc could never clash with an Admiral. Again portrayal, that would never be portrayed with Shanks or an Admiral.
The only logical conclusion we can make is that Mihawk chose not to go after him. That's how his character been portrayed. Someone who doesn't bother with small fry unless he has to. Didn't Crocodile manage to stop Akainu for like a few too?




Uh yes...um incase you didn't know Marco and Jozu are in a different league compared to the rest............
No, they aren't. Which part of your brain did that come from? That's why Oda paired Vista together with Marco, correct? Like he did with Zoro and Sanji with the pacifista? They aren't in a different league.


Marco is around Admiral level nothing wrong with that. He was the only one who was capable of fending off Akainu's punches 1v1, Vista didn't do anything. Cant be compared to Marco. No need to downplay WB, its not surprising he failed to get pass an Admirals haki they are the same level after all, let me know when WB didn't manage to hurt an Admiral with a cheapshot. WB also suffered from illness which caused his haki to go up and down.
Bold, is that when it was the two of them were fighting Akainu? Because iirc, that was off panel. So, you trying to say Vista failed against a real top tier does in no way prove anything because even Marco and WB failed. It happens. Life moves on.



Uh.....except for Akainu, Shanks etc. who are portrayed to be around the same level.
It's the same with Mihawk. We all know the gap between Luffy and Sanji is more big than small, but they are still in the same general level.



........Akainu managed to fight WB on even terms, even when bloodlusted WB couldn't kill him off and Akainu managed to blow half his head off. More or less same level mate.
Lol. Vista managed to fight Mihawk on even terms so following your logic they are portrayed equals. No, sir. You got it all wrong. Fighting someone on even terms does not mean you're as strong as them. Luffy fought Franky on even terms, guess that means they are equals or eh according to you same level? WB was stronger and not his equal.



Nope no hype puts Mihawk on the same level. WGS? How many swordsman did we see that care for that title? Vista, Zoro? Yonkou title , Admiral title >> WGS title.
Yes, it does. Being the WGS ( stronger than somene who was portrayed to be 'above' Kizaru, named Rayleigh) and Zoro's ultimate goal puts you at that level. In fact, Rayleigh even old age was spoken in the same breath as Whitebeard.



Not baseless at all, everything I wrote above puts to Admiral > Mihawk.....its not even close. If all you can say is baseless this baseless that than that only further proves my point. You literally can't prove anything regarding Mihawk being = Admirals

It's baseless since you're acting like it's a fact when it isn't.

Lol implying Mihawk is much stronger and could have done better, with no proof........wheres your proof mate?
Yeah. Doflamingo's performance against Law and Aokiji/Fujitora and his hype(eh uh, he doesn't even have top tier hype) puts him to shame compared to Mihawk.

Doflamingo taunted Aokiji to freeze him when he ignored his plea to leave Smoker. LOL did you just claim he didn't get out of it easily when he broke through in mere seconds, without any drawbacks. Panting could simply be from freezing, anyone who had to hold their breath has to pant....its only normal since he couldn't breath during the time he was frozen.....
WB didn't pant from when Aokiji most likely used a stronger attack, so yes Doflamingo didn't get out of there easily.

Again I will say this again, you have not even given a slightest bit of feats to say Mihawk stands on even ground with Admirals whereas I can go on forever with this. You're only way out is to say he fought Shanks a decade ago when Shanks wasn't a Yonkou and he got his arm eaten by a sea king....
Having more feats = / = being on another level. Neither Kaido or Big Mom feats, according to your logic they aren't on the same level as the Admirals. His feats were put in parallel with the big boys in a chapter called 'The battle of the mightiest'. That's the kind of portrayal that's going for Mihawk, which you simply like to ignore.
 

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Did i say he was on par with mihawk?

I said he was enough to parry with him and hold him back without any critical injuries, and even jozu was enough to stop an attack from mihawk.

*par* is a root word

So yes you were....

Also Jozu is diamond, he went full body just to block an air slash.

When you cut a harder substance like iron/metal you use the sword itself.

Mr.1 blocked Mihawk's green air slash, and then Mihawk used his sword to cut through his iron body.

Same cold of happened to Jozu if given the chance.
 

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Does it look like Mihawk was aiming at Luffy or Daz Bones there? Clearly, he wasn't going after Daz Bones so you're not getting anywhere with this. Once he had to go after Daz, he took him down with one attack.
Does it matter? Are you telling me if Akainu, Aokiji or Kizaru were aiming at Luffy and Daz Bonez jumoed in he'd be able to deflect it? Mihawk took him down and Daz still managed to stay conscious, he looked like he was on his way back up.



The only logical conclusion we can make is that Mihawk chose not to go after him. That's how his character been portrayed. Someone who doesn't bother with small fry unless he has to. Didn't Crocodile manage to stop Akainu for like a few too?
Lol you struck out...go read that whole chapter Mihawk was desperately going after Luffy, he chopped down all the fodder that came before him and Daz bonez was the same he didn't hesitate to bring Daz down. Yet When Croc came he was enough of a threat to leave Luffy alone and focus on Croc. If he was so insignificant to him he would of chopped him down like he did Daz and the other fodders instead he let his prey get away. Also Akainu got blindsided all the while he was injured from the WB fight. Croc stopped an attack, if he did that while Akainu was punching that'd be different although he'd be fried, so it wouldn't happen.





No, they aren't. Which part of your brain did that come from? That's why Oda paired Vista together with Marco, correct? Like he did with Zoro and Sanji with the pacifista? They aren't in a different league.
Lol no Jozu managed to injure Aokiji, Marco held off Kizaru. Vista...did....nothing lol. Not even the same league.



Bold, is that when it was the two of them were fighting Akainu? Because iirc, that was off panel. So, you trying to say Vista failed against a real top tier does in no way prove anything because even Marco and WB failed. It happens. Life moves on.
No it doesn't happen, Marco right after this showed that he can hold against Akainu, while WB was suffering from heart attacks, Vista has no such excuse and neither did he redeem himself there is a reason Marco had to handle him alone after this. Vista would get fried.



Uh.....except for Akainu, Shanks etc. who are portrayed to be around the same level.
It's the same with Mihawk. We all know the gap between Luffy and Sanji is more big than small, but they are still in the same general level.
Mihawk is below all of them.


........Akainu managed to fight WB on even terms, even when bloodlusted WB couldn't kill him off and Akainu managed to blow half his head off. More or less same level mate.
Lol. Vista managed to fight Mihawk on even terms so following your logic they are portrayed equals. No, sir. You got it all wrong. Fighting someone on even terms does not mean you're as strong as them. Luffy fought Franky on even terms, guess that means they are equals or eh according to you same level? WB was stronger and not his equal.
Lol please dont compare Mihawk's fight with a full fledge clash that Akainu and WB went through.



Nope no hype puts Mihawk on the same level. WGS? How many swordsman did we see that care for that title? Vista, Zoro? Yonkou title , Admiral title >> WGS title.
Yes, it does. Being the WGS ( stronger than somene who was portrayed to be 'above' Kizaru, named Rayleigh) and Zoro's ultimate goal puts you at that level. In fact, Rayleigh even old age was spoken in the same breath as Whitebeard.

It does no put him above Rayleigh....and Kizaru > Rayleigh.



It's baseless since you're acting like it's a fact when it isn't.
ok.


Yeah. Doflamingo's performance against Law and Aokiji/Fujitora and his hype(eh uh, he doesn't even have top tier hype) puts him to shame compared to Mihawk.
baseless.


WB didn't pant from when Aokiji most likely used a stronger attack, so yes Doflamingo didn't get out of there easily.
Alright WB is stronger than DD, doesn't take away from DD easily breaking out, his Haki might not be as good as WBs.


Having more feats = / = being on another level. Neither Kaido or Big Mom feats, according to your logic they aren't on the same level as the Admirals. His feats were put in parallel with the big boys in a chapter called 'The battle of the mightiest'. That's the kind of portrayal that's going for Mihawk, which you simply like to ignore.
See this is flawed, big Mam and Kaido have NO battle feats while Mihawk has enough. Look at Fujitora he has barely any battle feats yet he can be compared with the Yonkous, same with Shanks he has less feats than Mihawk, both have less feats then Mihawk yet they are portrayed as better. Its quality not quantity. Big Mam and Kaido have Zero feats Mihawk has plenty.
 

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Does it matter? Are you telling me if Akainu, Aokiji or Kizaru were aiming at Luffy and Daz Bonez jumoed in he'd be able to deflect it? Mihawk took him down and Daz still managed to stay conscious, he looked like he was on his way back up.
They would be fully bloodlusted to take him down, so yes they would do it. I mean, current M3 can 1 shot pre Daz so I'm not even sure why you're debating this matter. We've also seen how Luffy survived a hit from Sengoku, an admiral.



Lol you struck out...go read that whole chapter Mihawk was desperately going after Luffy, he chopped down all the fodder that came before him and Daz bonez was the same he didn't hesitate to bring Daz down. Yet When Croc came he was enough of a threat to leave Luffy alone and focus on Croc. If he was so insignificant to him he would of chopped him down like he did Daz and the other fodders instead he let his prey get away. Also Akainu got blindsided all the while he was injured from the WB fight. Croc stopped an attack, if he did that while Akainu was punching that'd be different although he'd be fried, so it wouldn't happen.
No, he wasn't desperate. How can you even come to that conclusion? Fact of the matter is, Crocodile is fodder to M3 and they in turn are fodder to Mihawk. We don't know what happened, but we can conclude Oda didn't want the guy to be sliced in half. He was saving Luffy and Ace after that incident with Mihawk.




Lol no Jozu managed to injure Aokiji, Marco held off Kizaru. Vista...did....nothing lol. Not even the same league.

Jozu managed to injure off guard Aokiji, yes. Marco held off Kizaru. What did Vista do? Let's see. Marco, the First Mate, ordered Vista to protect Mihawk, the world's strongest swordsman, from Luffy. Did he or did he not acheive that? Yes he did. Oda clearly put him in the same league as those two.


No it doesn't happen, Marco right after this showed that he can hold against Akainu, while WB was suffering from heart attacks, Vista has no such excuse and neither did he redeem himself there is a reason Marco had to handle him alone after this. Vista would get fried.
Uh what? Referesh my memory with some panels. Ace died > Marco and Vista attack Akainu > Furious WB takes over. What is it you're talking about? Point still stands that Oda chose to pair the two together.



Mihawk is below all of them.
That's your opinion and not a fact, though I respect it. Fact of the matter is, they're all in the same league. I may perhaps think Mihawk is stronger than all the admirals, but I'm not claiming it as a fact and neither am I laughing at you even though you're doing the thing you're accusing people of doing.


Lol please dont compare Mihawk's fight with a full fledge clash that Akainu and WB went through.
I wouldn't if you didn't claim Oda portrayed WB and Akainu as equals, when it's a fact that's not the case.





It does no put him above Rayleigh....and Kizaru > Rayleigh.
Yes, Mihawk is stronger than Rayleigh. Prove Kizaru is stronger than Rayleigh.




baseless.
Lol Prove what he has then.


Alright WB is stronger than DD, doesn't take away from DD easily breaking out, his Haki might not be as good as WBs.
So? A stronger attack used on a stronger opponent. You would have a point of it was the same attack, but it wasn't. DD panted so badly from a casual attack.


See this is flawed, big Mam and Kaido have NO battle feats while Mihawk has enough. Look at Fujitora he has barely any battle feats yet he can be compared with the Yonkous, same with Shanks he has less feats than Mihawk, both have less feats then Mihawk yet they are portrayed as better. Its quality not quantity. Big Mam and Kaido have Zero feats Mihawk has plenty.

And Mihawk's feats were put in the same league as the admirals and WB, like I told you earlier. All the big guys casually performed feats in parralel in a chapter that just so happens to be called battle of the mightiest.
 
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