[VS] Mihawk vs Issho(Fujitaro) speculation thread

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Admirals DO equal Yonko.


How many Yonko are there? 4

How many Admirals are there? 4

If the Admirals don't = the Yonko in a 1 vs 1, then who is there to keep the Yonko in check and provide a balance? NOBODY. So the whole crap about Yonko being a tier above the admirals is BS.

Shanks has never shown to be stronger than the Admirals.
There are only 3 admirals. The Fleet admiral is portrayed as being stronger than the admirals, and the commander and chief is a higher rank then that, which leaves reason to believe Kong could be stronger than Sengoku and Akainu.

So no, the Admirals do not equal Yonko as their are 4 to 3, not 4 to 4..

And as far as we know the Gorsei are the strongest power that the World goverment has, which could put them above the power of the Marines politically and strength wise. And the whole 3 way power balance thing has already been challenged, because their still leaves the CP0, Gorsei, and Revolutionaries that fall out of the power balance of yonko, marines, and warlords. There is no one to check those other parties so their is no real balance in that case.

Whitebeard and Shanks already demonstrated that their power above that of an Admiral, so I sincerely don't understand how you could believe that they are equal in strength.
 

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There are only 3 admirals. The Fleet admiral is portrayed as being stronger than the admirals, and the commander and chief is a higher rank then that, which leaves reason to believe Kong could be stronger than Sengoku and Akainu.

So no, the Admirals do not equal Yonko as their are 4 to 3, not 4 to 4..

And as far as we know the Gorsei are the strongest power that the World goverment has, which could put them above the power of the Marines politically and strength wise. And the whole 3 way power balance thing has already been challenged, because their still leaves the CP0, Gorsei, and Revolutionaries that fall out of the power balance of yonko, marines, and warlords. There is no one to check those other parties so their is no real balance in that case.

Whitebeard and Shanks already demonstrated that their power above that of an Admiral, so I sincerely don't understand how you could believe that they are equal in strength.
looll. There are 3 "admirals", and then there is 1 Fleet ADMIRAL. Difference between Fleet Admiral and Admiral? Fleet Admiral is the leader of the Marines. However, that doesn't take away from the fact that the 4 Admirals (including the Fleet admiral) are the top 4 strongest marines of the WG.

4 Admirals (Marines) vs 4 Yonko (Pirates)

Just like the Yonko always have someone who is considered the "strongest man" "strongest creature".

Commander-in-chief Kong is the WORLD GOVERNMENT's Commander-in-chief. Meaning all government branches fall under him. And the only reasonable person he would be put up against is Monkey D. Dragon, who is the commander-in-chief of the Revolutionary army.

Gorosei, have not fought, so they are not considered as part of the balance. Neither is Kong considered.


Where did Whitebeard demonstrate his power is above that of an admiral?? Whitebeard was also portrayed to be stronger than Shanks. Who has never been portrayed to be stronger than an admiral.
 

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No you have things mixed up.

Mihawk = Zoro's goal


Roger = Luffy's goal


Shanks ain't the pirate king mate.
Luffy's goal isn't to surpass Roger! He wants to become PK. He doesn't have to be stronger than Roger but his goal is to be better than Shanks and form a crew that's better than his.

OT: Lmao people think Fujitora would win. Mihawk wins.
 

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Luffy's goal isn't to surpass Roger! He wants to become PK. He doesn't have to be stronger than Roger but his goal is to be better than Shanks and form a crew that's better than his.

OT: Lmao people think Fujitora would win. Mihawk wins.
Sadly, he has to be strong as Roger to be the Pirate King. His crew also has to be strong as Roger's crew for him to be the pirate king. His ship also has to be as strong as Roger's Oro Jackson to be the pirate king.


There is only 1 person, in history who became the pirate king, that is Gol D. Roger.. and if luffy wants to become the pirate king.. then his goal is Gol D. Roger.
 

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looll. There are 3 "admirals", and then there is 1 Fleet ADMIRAL. Difference between Fleet Admiral and Admiral? Fleet Admiral is the leader of the Marines. However, that doesn't take away from the fact that the 4 Admirals (including the Fleet admiral) are the top 4 strongest marines of the WG.

4 Admirals (Marines) vs 4 Yonko (Pirates)

Just like the Yonko always have someone who is considered the "strongest man" "strongest creature".

Commander-in-chief Kong is the WORLD GOVERNMENT's Commander-in-chief. Meaning all government branches fall under him. And the only reasonable person he would be put up against is Monkey D. Dragon, who is the commander-in-chief of the Revolutionary army.

Gorosei, have not fought, so they are not considered as part of the balance. Neither is Kong considered.


Where did Whitebeard demonstrate his power is above that of an admiral?? Whitebeard was also portrayed to be stronger than Shanks. Who has never been portrayed to be stronger than an admiral.
I dont disagree that the Admirals are to top strongest Marines. But we have been shown twice that the Fleet Admiral is stronger than the 3 Admirals.

And it took 3 admirals to try to take down one Yonko, when the second yonko showed up the marines immediately withdrew their forces, because they understood that they werent strong enough to fight a yonko back to back. By implying the admirals are equivalent to the yonko (4 yonko = 4 admirals) in strenght you would have to believe that if Whitebeard, Shanks, and Kaido had all arrived at Marineford at the same time them the Marines would have stood a chance, but we all know that that is not the case.

Had Shanks, whitebeard, and Kaido all been at Marineford at once it would have been a slaughterhouse. Maybe I misunderstood your point thought. Perhaps you are trying to say that politically the factions of Marines and Yonko are equal, which would be true. Im only arguing that strength wise the Yonko are far stronger.

To your original point:
Admirals = Yonko... There is no point in him being an admiral, if he can't take on an Yonko in 1 vs 1
I do believe that Fujitora could definetly challenge a Yonko and put up a great fight, I just dont believe he could defeat Whitebeard, shanks, or Kaido. But as an Admiral he definetely should push them to Mid-High Diff.

Mihawk on the other hand has never shown anything to place him on or near the tier of Yonko.
 

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Mihawk on the other hand has never shown anything to place him on or near the tier of Yonko.
mihawk does not need a feat cause his title is more than enough ....
being the best swordsman simply means all the feats and hype of every swordsman in op verse are in mihawks pocket .
if a a swordsman cut a a mountain... that just means mihawk can do it too if a swordsman cut an island then mihawk can do it and so on.
and if a swordsman became a yonko and yes Iam talking about shanks here then that just means mihawk is at least a yonko lvl fighter ( adding the fact that they were rivals support this thing more )
ofc some people are going to use the nonsense arguments of :

A: shanks isnt a swordsman :

then what is he ? the man used to duel with mihawk ,used a sword in every one of his clashs and even replaced the bones on his jolley roger with swords.... if he is not a swordsman after all this i dont know what he is (would some one enlightin me ?)


B: there duel was years before and shanks grow alot stronger :
and this is one of the most hypocritc arguments .... some people assume shanks left mihawk in dust and grow alot stronger while mihawk stayed the same and didnt grow abit ...
the fact is shanks is a wordsman he grew up stronger as a swordsman and gatherd a crew (cause this is essential if you want to be a yonko) while mihawk grew up to become the WSS which puts him above any swordsman be it yonko or any one else
 

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Mihawk wins since he is WSS and Fujitora is a swordsman.
Fuji honestly isn't really a swordsman he just uses a sword for fighting what his style revolves around is his df
I also do not consider law a swordsman either but to each it's own


Now going back to topic I think logically Fuji should win couldn't he not put enough gravity on the sword for Mohawk to not even lift it.... I mean Fuji feet of leveling the countries gravel and trying to throw it on straw hats is more then anything mihawk has shown regardless of hype....

Also while mihawk is stronger Fuji should be able to use his gravity to either block or make the force of Mohawks slashes turn slightly to avoid them....
Idk it b tough fight but im going to go with the underdog on this one

Because the hype mihawk has is really good however just don't auto win every fight we don't even know the time frame they fought if he was yonko or not rtc
 

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I dont disagree that the Admirals are to top strongest Marines. But we have been shown twice that the Fleet Admiral is stronger than the 3 Admirals.

And it took 3 admirals to try to take down one Yonko, when the second yonko showed up the marines immediately withdrew their forces, because they understood that they werent strong enough to fight a yonko back to back. By implying the admirals are equivalent to the yonko (4 yonko = 4 admirals) in strenght you would have to believe that if Whitebeard, Shanks, and Kaido had all arrived at Marineford at the same time them the Marines would have stood a chance, but we all know that that is not the case.

Had Shanks, whitebeard, and Kaido all been at Marineford at once it would have been a slaughterhouse. Maybe I misunderstood your point thought. Perhaps you are trying to say that politically the factions of Marines and Yonko are equal, which would be true. Im only arguing that strength wise the Yonko are far stronger.

To your original point:


I do believe that Fujitora could definetly challenge a Yonko and put up a great fight, I just dont believe he could defeat Whitebeard, shanks, or Kaido. But as an Admiral he definetely should push them to Mid-High Diff.

Mihawk on the other hand has never shown anything to place him on or near the tier of Yonko.
this exactly. there is too much admiral fanboying on this base. kaido is hyped beyond all he is not equal to any admiral and the navy can't take on all 4 yonkos at once they would die. why do you think schibukai back them cuz they have some strong players who can rival admiral strengths such as weeble, or doflamingo. And mihawk can rival a yonko in strength his hype is crazy more so than any admiral and he is EOS zoro opponent so he can be compared to rayleigh in prime.
 

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I think Mihawk would barely win. I rate Issho as the weakest of the admirals. And there is a gap between him and the others. The other admirals would probably crush Mihawk but Fujitora has a range of attacks that are pretty defendable for someone like Mihawk.
 

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I dont disagree that the Admirals are to top strongest Marines. But we have been shown twice that the Fleet Admiral is stronger than the 3 Admirals.

And it took 3 admirals to try to take down one Yonko, when the second yonko showed up the marines immediately withdrew their forces, because they understood that they werent strong enough to fight a yonko back to back. By implying the admirals are equivalent to the yonko (4 yonko = 4 admirals) in strenght you would have to believe that if Whitebeard, Shanks, and Kaido had all arrived at Marineford at the same time them the Marines would have stood a chance, but we all know that that is not the case.
I never disagreed on fleet admiral being stronger than the 3 admirals. Even in the 3 admirals, they aren't equal. Nontheless Fleet admiral is the strongest thing in the marines, along with other admirals.

@Bold, never happened. If all 3 had attacked WB together, WB would've been dead in couple of minutes. Furthermore, you are also leaving out the fact that no admiral except Akainu (the one who fought WB directly) came out with any injuries. And then you have the mere fact that none of them did bother going all out as far huge attacks ago. While Whitebeard was breaking the entire island and so on.


Now as far as Shanks goes.. They stopped because a Yonko appeared with a pirate ship. And also that "stopping" is also credited to Coby, since he is the one who initially made everyone stop what they were doing, and not shanks. Shanks came in when they had already stopped. And if Akainu/Kizaru/Aokiji had come with VA level people, in middle of a war between Kaido and Shanks' fleets.. they would've stopped as well. So yea, it wasn't anything related to potrayal.

Had Shanks, whitebeard, and Kaido all been at Marineford at once it would have been a slaughterhouse. Maybe I misunderstood your point thought. Perhaps you are trying to say that politically the factions of Marines and Yonko are equal, which would be true. Im only arguing that strength wise the Yonko are far stronger.
If this had happened, the Warlords would actually bother going all out (they are under the direct control of the WG).

And all factions of the Marines and every single person who is in the marines would've been called there to fight (people such as Vergo weren't there , and i don't need to even mention how strong vergo was).

Shanks + Whitebeard + Kaido have huge fleets, and thats the only reason why it would've been a "slaughterhouse", if the marines had the same number of people they had against whitebeard. However, if you are talking about Shanks+ Kaido + Whitebeard vs Sengoku + Akainu + Kizaru + Aokiji, would've been a slaughterhouse.. then you are mistaken.

And no, i'm arguing that Admirals are the "yonko" for the marines. They simply do not have the "hype", because they are under a government. Hell whitebeard had much bigger hype than Garp and Rayleigh, despite them being on the same level.. know why? Because whitebeard has a huge fleet, while someone like Garp works for the Marines. Thats a big difference.



To your original point:


I do believe that Fujitora could definetly challenge a Yonko and put up a great fight, I just dont believe he could defeat Whitebeard, shanks, or Kaido. But as an Admiral he definetely should push them to Mid-High Diff.

Mihawk on the other hand has never shown anything to place him on or near the tier of Yonko.

Despite the fact he is the world's greatest swordsman?? and i'm not saying hes superior to shanks or anyone who uses a sword. Because i can't decide that , with how they have hardly any feats on-panel.

But think for a second, he is the guy who the future "dark king" is supposed to surpass and has been training to surpass, similar to luffy/Shanks.. and you believe that guy isn't Yonko level? come on man.
 

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I never disagreed on fleet admiral being stronger than the 3 admirals. Even in the 3 admirals, they aren't equal. Nontheless Fleet admiral is the strongest thing in the marines, along with other admirals.

@Bold, never happened. If all 3 had attacked WB together, WB would've been dead in couple of minutes. Furthermore, you are also leaving out the fact that no admiral except Akainu (the one who fought WB directly) came out with any injuries. And then you have the mere fact that none of them did bother going all out as far huge attacks ago. While Whitebeard was breaking the entire island and so on.


Now as far as Shanks goes.. They stopped because a Yonko appeared with a pirate ship. And also that "stopping" is also credited to Coby, since he is the one who initially made everyone stop what they were doing, and not shanks. Shanks came in when they had already stopped. And if Akainu/Kizaru/Aokiji had come with VA level people, in middle of a war between Kaido and Shanks' fleets.. they would've stopped as well. So yea, it wasn't anything related to potrayal.


If this had happened, the Warlords would actually bother going all out (they are under the direct control of the WG).

And all factions of the Marines and every single person who is in the marines would've been called there to fight (people such as Vergo weren't there , and i don't need to even mention how strong vergo was).

Shanks + Whitebeard + Kaido have huge fleets, and thats the only reason why it would've been a "slaughterhouse", if the marines had the same number of people they had against whitebeard. However, if you are talking about Shanks+ Kaido + Whitebeard vs Sengoku + Akainu + Kizaru + Aokiji, would've been a slaughterhouse.. then you are mistaken.

And no, i'm arguing that Admirals are the "yonko" for the marines. They simply do not have the "hype", because they are under a government. Hell whitebeard had much bigger hype than Garp and Rayleigh, despite them being on the same level.. know why? Because whitebeard has a huge fleet, while someone like Garp works for the Marines. Thats a big difference.






Despite the fact he is the world's greatest swordsman?? and i'm not saying hes superior to shanks or anyone who uses a sword. Because i can't decide that , with how they have hardly any feats on-panel.

But think for a second, he is the guy who the future "dark king" is supposed to surpass and has been training to surpass, similar to luffy/Shanks.. and you believe that guy isn't Yonko level? come on man.
Dude why a u bringing warlords into it if u think each yonko= admiral. U know there are also ppl like Ben beckam who can challenge kizaru, Marco and lucky roo and jozu. When first mates like Marco can stalemate kizaru and wb at deaths door beating akainu the notion of admirals equaling yonko is laughable. You have no sense of portrayal either shanks was equal to a fresh old wb the skies divided when they clashed u think akainu is on that, akainu was losing to a nearly dead wb. Kaido has amazing hype and is deemed unkillable does fujitora or kizaru have anything close to that absolutely no. Yonko are above admirals but one yonko crew can't beat them because there are 3 admirals plus a fleet admiral which can easily beat a yonko and a first mate but they would get wrecked by 3 yonkos. However this is where Mihawk plays a huge role he is a yonko level guy and having ppl like doflamingo and weeble who seem close to admiral level are great to counter balance the yonko. Vice admirals won't do shit cuz yonkos allies are enough for them and fodder equal each other out. Navy by itself would get wrecked with 3 yonko and schibukai aren't reliable that's why the navy gets so scared at the possibility of shanks and wb allying.
 

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I think Mihawk would barely win. I rate Issho as the weakest of the admirals. And there is a gap between him and the others. The other admirals would probably crush Mihawk but Fujitora has a range of attacks that are pretty defendable for someone like Mihawk.
Lol what an admiral fanboy u think Oda is going to have all admirals talk about a guy just for entering the battlefield someone who they can crush. What a joke even aokiji considers doflamingo to be an exceptional pirate and they did not give a shit when he entered the battlefield. What's the point of schibukai if the strongest warlord is not even close to admirals. Stop overrating admirals they are definitely weaker than Mihawk the guys hype is beyond all of them and he is put in the same breath as shanks.
 

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Lol what an admiral fanboy u think Oda is going to have all admirals talk about a guy just for entering the battlefield someone who they can crush. What a joke even aokiji considers doflamingo to be an exceptional pirate and they did not give a shit when he entered the battlefield. What's the point of schibukai if the strongest warlord is not even close to admirals. Stop overrating admirals they are definitely weaker than Mihawk the guys hype is beyond all of them and he is put in the same breath as shanks.
When did this happen?
 

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Dude why a u bringing warlords into it if u think each yonko= admiral. U know there are also ppl like Ben beckam who can challenge kizaru, Marco and lucky roo and jozu. When first mates like Marco can stalemate kizaru and wb at deaths door beating akainu the notion of admirals equaling yonko is laughable. You have no sense of portrayal either shanks was equal to a fresh old wb the skies divided when they clashed u think akainu is on that, akainu was losing to a nearly dead wb. Kaido has amazing hype and is deemed unkillable does fujitora or kizaru have anything close to that absolutely no. Yonko are above admirals but one yonko crew can't beat them because there are 3 admirals plus a fleet admiral which can easily beat a yonko and a first mate but they would get wrecked by 3 yonkos. However this is where Mihawk plays a huge role he is a yonko level guy and having ppl like doflamingo and weeble who seem close to admiral level are great to counter balance the yonko. Vice admirals won't do shit cuz yonkos allies are enough for them and fodder equal each other out. Navy by itself would get wrecked with 3 yonko and schibukai aren't reliable that's why the navy gets so scared at the possibility of shanks and wb allying.
Coby can challenge Kizaru as well... will he win? no.

@bold, what are you on about??


@2nd bold, manga scans of where he was losing?


Lmao how would an admiral crush Mihawk, someone who is stronger than Shanks by portrayal and Zoro's EOS opponent?
he is not gonna be Zoro's EOS opponent.
 

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Lol what an admiral fanboy u think Oda is going to have all admirals talk about a guy just for entering the battlefield someone who they can crush. What a joke even aokiji considers doflamingo to be an exceptional pirate and they did not give a shit when he entered the battlefield. What's the point of schibukai if the strongest warlord is not even close to admirals. Stop overrating admirals they are definitely weaker than Mihawk the guys hype is beyond all of them and he is put in the same breath as shanks.
Dude half the things you said never happened.

Maybe you forgot the part where Aokiji wasn't really that impressed with Doflamingo when he froze him with his hands in his pockets. Or when Jozu just casually blocked the worlds strongest slash. Or when Mihawk agreed that battling Vista would be a waste of time for both of them.

Mihawk and Doffy are clearly not in the same league as Yonkou and admirals. When Law threatened Doffy with Kaidou he almost shat himself while he still was trying to fight Aokiji.

Akainu/Kizaru/Kuzan vs Mihawk, I just can't see Mihawk winning those fights. Top level haki, tricky abilities and a logia body.

Besides If Mihawk was strong enough to face the highest power in the navy, why did he become a government dog in order to stop being hunted as a pirate ?

Who would they send after him if he would refuse ? Previous chapters already proved he thinks it's bothersome to work for them. If he really was that strong he could just drink wine in his castle all day.

Lmao how would an admiral crush Mihawk, someone who is stronger than Shanks by portrayal and Zoro's EOS opponent?
What portrayal ? He liked to have sparring matches with Shanks ? It's already impressive that Shanks was able to keep up with Mihawk in terms of sword skills. But that won't be the only thing in his arsenal. Mihawk commented on that when Shanks lost his arm the matches weren't interesting anymore, in terms of swordmanship that is. Shanks remained a yonkou so obviously he has something else up his sleeve than just his sword.

Look at all the other yonkou, they're all super crazy over the top bad asses. Do you really think Shanks is a normal one armed guy with a sword, and not even the best at it ? NO! that is impossible.

That Mihawk is Zoro's opponent means shit, because it would make no sense for Luffy to keep growing to the level of strength of this generation of Yonkou (BB excluded, he is already part of the new generation) Whitebeard, Kaidou, Big Mom and Shanks are one man armies. They can do anything on their own. Luffy will always need his crew and new friends to fight alongside him.

luffy will probably beat a yonkou or two along the way but look at the trouble he had against someone like Doflamingo. Fighting yonkous is going to take planning, alliances, crippling them first before Luffy stands a chance. While when a yonkou would face Luffy 1Vs1 in a 'fair' fight they would win 10 out of 10 times. Not saying that playing dirty isn't fair because they're pirates after all. But that doesn't mean Luffy is stronger.

But let's play along and say Luffy might be yonkou level at the end of the series, there is no way that Zoro will be on that level to in order to beat Mihawk. For a crew of 10 people to have 2 yonkou level pirates aboard would be so over the top. Zoro doesn't have to be that strong in order to beat him. Admiral level would suffice.

Mihawk is low top 10 at best in the OP world, behind 3 admirals 4 yonkou and maybe some others like Dragon and some unknowns or people I didn't think of at the top of my head.
 

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Dude half the things you said never happened.

Maybe you forgot the part where Aokiji wasn't really that impressed with Doflamingo when he froze him with his hands in his pockets. Or when Jozu just casually blocked the worlds strongest slash. Or when Mihawk agreed that battling Vista would be a waste of time for both of them.

Mihawk and Doffy are clearly not in the same league as Yonkou and admirals. When Law threatened Doffy with Kaidou he almost shat himself while he still was trying to fight Aokiji.

Akainu/Kizaru/Kuzan vs Mihawk, I just can't see Mihawk winning those fights. Top level haki, tricky abilities and a logia body.

Besides If Mihawk was strong enough to face the highest power in the navy, why did he become a government dog in order to stop being hunted as a pirate ?

Who would they send after him if he would refuse ? Previous chapters already proved he thinks it's bothersome to work for them. If he really was that strong he could just drink wine in his castle all day.



What portrayal ? He liked to have sparring matches with Shanks ? It's already impressive that Shanks was able to keep up with Mihawk in terms of sword skills. But that won't be the only thing in his arsenal. Mihawk commented on that when Shanks lost his arm the matches weren't interesting anymore, in terms of swordmanship that is. Shanks remained a yonkou so obviously he has something else up his sleeve than just his sword.

Look at all the other yonkou, they're all super crazy over the top bad asses. Do you really think Shanks is a normal one armed guy with a sword, and not even the best at it ? NO! that is impossible.

That Mihawk is Zoro's opponent means shit, because it would make no sense for Luffy to keep growing to the level of strength of this generation of Yonkou (BB excluded, he is already part of the new generation) Whitebeard, Kaidou, Big Mom and Shanks are one man armies. They can do anything on their own. Luffy will always need his crew and new friends to fight alongside him.

luffy will probably beat a yonkou or two along the way but look at the trouble he had against someone like Doflamingo. Fighting yonkous is going to take planning, alliances, crippling them first before Luffy stands a chance. While when a yonkou would face Luffy 1Vs1 in a 'fair' fight they would win 10 out of 10 times. Not saying that playing dirty isn't fair because they're pirates after all. But that doesn't mean Luffy is stronger.

But let's play along and say Luffy might be yonkou level at the end of the series, there is no way that Zoro will be on that level to in order to beat Mihawk. For a crew of 10 people to have 2 yonkou level pirates aboard would be so over the top. Zoro doesn't have to be that strong in order to beat him. Admiral level would suffice.

Mihawk is low top 10 at best in the OP world, behind 3 admirals 4 yonkou and maybe some others like Dragon and some unknowns or people I didn't think of at the top of my head.
And what is the reason that hes behind the 3 admirals and 4 yonko??
 

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Don't get why would always mean WSS>Swordman with DF


Being a WSS doesn't mean is stronger who uses sword but still has a DF.

If we talk about prime Mihawk vs EOS Law I can't see Mihawk winning it.

I just can't.
 
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Don't get why would always mean WSS>Swordman with DF


Being a WSS doesn't mean is stronger who uses sword but still has a DF.

If we talk about prime Mihawk vs EOS Law I can't see Mihawk winning it.

I just can't.
why do you think EOS law will be on their level? I see law being below Zoro.
 
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