Might Gai Vs Tsunade

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In a non plot fight, Gai simply nukes his two fingers @ the 7th gate in Tsunade's eyes.

inb4 Tsunade wankers will tell me how Tsunade will stop Gai from doing that.

Or he appears right before her, uses Hirudora to leave quite some damage which results in some broken bones and her lying at the ground, so Gai can appear right before her again while she's still lying and starts pummeling her head with Asa Kujaku. That's a non plot fight. How's about that, hmm?

He will pummel her face and skull with burning fists hundred times and in the end use Hirudora right before her face again.

Do some Tsunade fans disagree that this tactic is legit in a non plot fight where Gai knows about Tsunade's durability?

Again, plot is not allowed in vs threads. Hirudora + hundreds of burning punches to her head while she's lying + a last Hirudora right to her face can make it a gg.
In a non plot fight, if Gai nukes his finger into Tsunade's eyes, which isn't happening she'd grow them back. Momentarily.
He wouldn't also just appear right before her as she'd be more than capable of seeing him, add to that that she has some of the best reaction feats in the manga.
And still none of that would take Tsunade out, our entire point is as follows, Gai doesn't have what it takes short of the 8th gate to take Tsunade down. And in a non plot fight he would do what he always does, fight in base. And get absolutely wrecked. What's to stop Tsunade from ripping his spine out and strangling his base body with it? What's to stop her from summoning Katsuyu right on top of him. What's to stop her from keeping Gai at bay via ground destruction, and while the cloud of dust is in the air, she now has a wide array of projectiles which she can end Gai with and he would have no idea it's coming. etc., etc,
 

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Take a good look at what exhausted Gai did to the susanoo before Hirudora exploded. It was bent pretty badly. Put Tsunade in that situation, her body will get bent apart like a twig, deforming it and snapping various bones in her body. It would take a long time for Tsunade to regenerate properly from getting messed up that badly (if she even can that is), she'll be put out of commission for all intents and purposes.
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Anyway Gai wins mid-high difficulty.
 

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Take a good look at what exhausted Gai did to the susanoo before Hirudora exploded. It was bent pretty badly. Put Tsunade in that situation, her body will get bent apart like a twig, deforming it and snapping various bones in her body. It would take a long time for Tsunade to regenerate properly from getting messed up that badly (if she even can that is), she'll be put out of commission for all intents and purposes.
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Anyway Gai wins mid-high difficulty.
Except, you ignoring size difference, a large part of Hirudora, Tsunade will not take because it will not be the size of only half her body. The susanoo is bending that much because only half of it has a force acting on it and the inertia of the top have is trying to hold it in place, on a smaller target that problem simply doesn't exist.
 

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Except, you ignoring size difference, a large part of Hirudora, Tsunade will not take because it will not be the size of only half her body. The susanoo is bending that much because only half of it has a force acting on it and the inertia of the top have is trying to hold it in place, on a smaller target that problem simply doesn't exist.
Alright I accept defeat. I could potentially give a rebuttal but the OP was dumb and didn't add any parameters to this fight.
 

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@Tazz, so you tell me that Tsunade survives hundreds of punches at the sixth gate on her head while lying on the ground and gets a Hirudora directly into her face next to that? Who is she to tank such an assault with her head?

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@Tazz, so you tell me that Tsunade survives hundreds of punches at the sixth gate on her head while lying on the ground and gets a Hirudora directly into her face next to that? Who is she to tank such an assault with her head?

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morning peacock spreads, it can't focus on the head, daytime tiger is too big to only hit her head, it will hit her entire body, also tell me again how can gai stay so close to tsunade without getting pwned in the face to begin with
 

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morning peacock spreads, it can't focus on the head, daytime tiger is too big to only hit her head, it will hit her entire body, also tell me again how can gai stay so close to tsunade without getting pwned in the face to begin with

How is Tsunade going to hit Gai?
 

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How is Tsunade going to hit Gai?

It isn't impossible to hit him. They are both close ranged fighters after all. And keep in mind Tsunade doesn't have to land a full powered punch. Even a simple from her can be deadly.
 

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It isn't impossible to hit him. They are both close ranged fighters after all. And keep in mind Tsunade doesn't have to land a full powered punch. Even a simple from her can be deadly.



If a single finger from her is deadly, why didn't the punch obliterated Orochimaru? And even if they both are hand to hand fighters, Madara only praised one of them for his speed and skills.
 

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If a single finger from her is deadly, why didn't the punch obliterated Orochimaru? And even if they both are hand to hand fighters, Madara only praised one of them for his speed and skills.

Because Orochimaru's body is more durable than the body of an avarage person. Not to mention that wasn't even a full powered punch, considering Tsunade was weakened from the loss of chakra.

Guy's body is nowhere near as durable so he gets obliterated if Tsunade can lay a single finger on him.

Madara praised Tsunade's strength and he said she has the same ability as Hashirama ( regeneration )
 

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Not even close, you apparently just don't know how to interpret manga. Tsunade said he's no ordinary medic ninja, applying to his use of the chakra scalpel. However, Tsunade had performed no medical ninjutsu at the point that Kabuto said she's no ordinary person. HE then goes on to talk about how an ordinary person wouldn't be able to move, indicating he is obviously discussing durability.

All your attempting to do here is downplay Tsunade. But she obviously has more than slightly above average human durability given she didn't activate her seal until she arrived to the battlefield. Whereas, those with average human durability died before reaching the battlefield, cut to pieces. As opposed to what Tsunade referred to as minor injuries. You're simply prejudiced against Tsunade and you're doing your best to try and downplay her feats. IT's ok, but let's not pass of fancfiction as cannon.

Um Tsunade grew up in an age of war, let's not forget that when people were far more power than this now, and she has a crapton more experience that Sasuke. But even assuming she didn't, the fact remains, that Tsunade was able to coordinate attacks with a V2 Ay, which I don't think is possible if you can't see them. Further Bee, who has no doujutsu was able to keep up with V1 Ay no problem no just visibly but physically as well. The fact that Sasuke was overwhelmed isn't proof that everyone would be overwhelmed, because all of the gokage, gaara, excluded performed combos with Ay. And people beyond the precious Uchiha have been able to see him.

You literally have no validation for that claim, you just made it up on the spot. You don't know how much Tsunade has left in her lifespan. It takes less chakra to heal something back together than to grow a whole new one. There's no real reason on should regrow something if they have the means of putting it back together. Tsunade states that normal healing of the mystical palm sort takes a lot of chakra. Why would she waste chakra growing a lower half, when she is able to use her remaining chakra to follow her nindo as a medical ninja.

That's just a bad example, because the speed of light would rip a person a part, and destroy bones, as per the cutting force of the wind. When someone travels the speed of light, what they would show as would essentially be ribbons of who they were. The damage that would be dealt is on a completely different scale than what sixth gate guy can push out. Especially considering directly after the attack Kisame's clone still looked to be alive. She not only has durability she has a contingency plan of healing, which realistically Gai can't overcome.

My interpretation is bang on actually as i am not just analysing one or two pages but the whole fight, Of course she had to have used some form of medical ninjutsu because he sliced her bicep and abdomen muscle with the scapel . Let me quickly mention that once Kabuto had first pulled out his scaples she wasnt shock that he pulled them out but simply acknowledged that he was a medical ninja . keeping in ind Kabuto admitted that his scaples are weaker than your average scapel [reffer to last link] She then said he's no ordinary ninja when he applied his amazing skill and instinct Not once did she refer to the scalpels.

Mate if i was downplaying Tsunade i would have blindly said she has poor durbility but instead i have aknowleded it and taken into account her lineage and its abilities. They have been known for their durable bodies but since we have no knowledge of her parent we have to assume that at most she is half senju. Why half? because we know her grandfather is hashirama. She has shown that she can heal by herself without the need of byakugo and im saying the durability that she does have along with healing slows down the damaging process.

hypothetical Example:

something is cutting her up 40dmg per second
she heals 20dmg per second
Her durability which cuts it by a further 5dmg

So in turn she is slowing down the damaging process long enough for the transport to be over. If you remember its light speed so she isn't there for long. now do you see my point. If you would stop being ignorant and treating me as a Tsunade hater which downplays abilities just because i don't like the character then you will make sense of what im trying to say. Im not going to give her feats that haven't even been implied or explicitly stated or illustrated.

I could know how fast something is for 10 years and on the 11th year still be in the same position i was 10 years ago. Because she has the experience doesn't mean she can comprehend speed. That is ludicrous. Show me a scan that explicitly or strongly implicates that she could co-ordinate his speed because so far i have seen minimal backative on your part. and dont show me the scan where she says Naruto is able to keep up because she didnt say she could keep up and her expressions further go against your statement. She also comments o the speed of Naruto does this mean she can co-ordinate his speed too?

And comparing Bee to Tsuande OR Sasuke is irrelavant as he is faster than MS sasuke and furthemore Even bee struggled to keep up with Ay and had to use the power of hachibi as compensation. and just in case you want to bring up the lariat incident, they both had the intent of the same move and was moving in a straight line thus no room for error. Bee is fast enough to react to any sudden movements he makes due to hachibi

I have literally proven more than once that no one can keep up going against Ay. Hell even EMS madara had trouble keeping up against Ay's speed and again, because he wasnt fast enough to react he used susano'o The combos that were performed were carefully performed. Once Mei done lava ay then moved in.


Now your just being an idiot and i have to use that word because its common sense that it would take more regenerating and more chakra to regenerate a whole lower half than to heal/ fuse back the two halves together. Common sense doesn't need to be clarified in the manga for me to know it. The fact that she has already used CR and turned into an old woman in P1 and has continued to do heavy regenerating since then means if she were to regenerate half of her body back together again that it would have some serious consequence. the fact that she was bleeding out and her veins had bee severed means she would have died regardless if it wasn't for katsuya. If she were to regenerate the veins there wouldn't be connected untill the whole body is regenerated thus the bleeding continuing anyway. And my point exactly. A jutsu like that would take up most of if not all of her chakra. and the pace at which she heals at it would be a waste even if she tried.

Difference with the kisame thing is that they wasn't focused on one point and he didn't have the intent to kill kisame at the time. Reffer to the contrast of their second and last encounter. If her brain isn't functioning properly then it affects her regeneration. Its that simple.
 

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Because Orochimaru's body is more durable than the body of an avarage person. Not to mention that wasn't even a full powered punch, considering Tsunade was weakened from the loss of chakra.

Guy's body is nowhere near as durable so he gets obliterated if Tsunade can lay a single finger on him.

Madara praised Tsunade's strength and he said she has the same ability as Hashirama ( regeneration )

Durability is not the same as resistance. In Orochimaru's case, his body doesn't have any crazy defense stat as to withstand a punch like that, he just regen afterwards thanks to the white snake regen ability. My question was based on, if one finger split the earth, why didn't 5 fingers obliterated his head? Simply cause it couldn't.

Really? Lee with 4 gates ripped his own muscles, Gai with 7th gates pretty much spammed Hirudora in this war (not to mention he fought Madara with broken ribs). How is that not durable?

Speed > Strength. What good is her strength if she cannot land a blow on Gai?. Byakugou is not eternal, it depends on Tsunade's chakra levels, so eventually she won't regen anymore.
 

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Gai is too fast for her, not even Gaara's sand could react on Lee at the 5th gate. He can appear right before here and use Hirudora, resulting in her lying on the ground with a few broken bones. Then he just needs to appear before her while she's still lying and starts pummeling her head with Asa Kujaku. Who is she to tank that with her head, hmm? And next to that, she gets a last Hirudora at her face. The Hirudora can obtain a small size before explosively expanding. [ ]
 

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Durability is not the same as resistance. In Orochimaru's case, his body doesn't have any crazy defense stat as to withstand a punch like that, he just regen afterwards thanks to the white snake regen ability. My question was based on, if one finger split the earth, why didn't 5 fingers obliterated his head? Simply cause it couldn't.

Really? Lee with 4 gates ripped his own muscles, Gai with 7th gates pretty much spammed Hirudora in this war (not to mention he fought Madara with broken ribs). How is that not durable?

Speed > Strength. What good is her strength if she cannot land a blow on Gai?. Byakugou is not eternal, it depends on Tsunade's chakra levels, so eventually she won't regen anymore.

He does have a point. Orochimaru white snake is known for its durability
 

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He does have a point. Orochimaru white snake is known for its durability

But what do you call durability? Let's make an easy numbers example. Lets say Orochimaru has 10hp , 0def and a regen of 5hp per turn (lol), if Tsunade punches deal more than 10hp, it's over for Orochimaru, doesn't matter how crazy his regen is, he's dead. That's what I meant with the Orochimaru example , he doesn't have some crazy defense to mitigate the damage dealt by Tsunade in the first place, he just heals afterwards. So the question remains, why didn't she one-hit-ko him with her crazy strength without leaving him a chance to heal if her punches are so deadly?.
 

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Resistance: the ability not to be affected by something, especially adversely
Durability: the ability to withstand wear, pressure, or damage.

He withstood the punch because after it he complained about his jaw. He had a high resistance to it thanks to the white snake and his skin is durable.
 

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According to the DB, Gai has a steel like body. He completely tanked a direct punch from Kisame who he noted to have super human strength; yet Gai walked out of that battle without no indication of broken bones or major battle damage. Regardless, Tsunade isn't touching Gai. She is completely outclassed as far as taijutsu skill, foot speed, striking speed, reflexes/reaction speed, and tracking fast movements. Her sluggish punches aren't landing on Gai. In the seventh gate, Tsunade will be nothing short of a punching bag. And seeing as Gai, who was already exhausted, kept his gates activated for 4 whole chapters; Tsunade is in for a very long beating.
 

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According to the DB, Gai has a steel like body. He completely tanked a direct punch from Kisame who he noted to have super human strength; yet Gai walked out of that battle without no indication of broken bones or major battle damage. Regardless, Tsunade isn't touching Gai. She is completely outclassed as far as taijutsu skill, foot speed, striking speed, reflexes/reaction speed, and tracking fast movements. Her sluggish punches aren't landing on Gai. In the seventh gate, Tsunade will be nothing short of a punching bag. And seeing as Gai, who was already exhausted, kept his gates activated for 4 whole chapters; Tsunade is in for a very long beating.
Don't forget that he has the nunchucks as well which will mess Tsunade up big time in CQC.
 

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According to the DB Tsunade and Katsuyu can't be killed. So now what?
 

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Resistance: the ability not to be affected by something, especially adversely
Durability: the ability to withstand wear, pressure, or damage.

He withstood the punch because after it he complained about his jaw. He had a high resistance to it thanks to the white snake and his skin is durable.

It doesn't have a high resistance. Sasuke made sushi out of him. He withstood the punch, that much is certain. But how? Perhaps Tsunade's punch is not that cracked up.
 
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