[VS] Mifune Vs. Zabuza

[Penguin]

Not you.
goddamn character limit

OOO lol. My bad :bouncy:

 

[ShaneEyyy]

I say Zabuza takes this. Primarily because of his hidden mist.
It takes him one hand seal to perform, and often takes a hand off of his sword when he swings. Which is the beauty of being able to perform handseals with one hand. Even when in combat he can activate this jutsu.

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After the jutsu is activated he can use water clones and silent killing.

Exactly, his 1 hand is the key to this fight

You're giving Zabuza prep time then. -.- And people saying zabuza's sword is bigger and stonger and stuff is kind of negated by Samurai Sabre Technique

Read Tazzilla88's argument. That's why I said that the 1 hand seal should be taken more into consideration. He made an excellent point. So really, no matter the starting distance, more than likely that mist is going up.

 

[Obito3631]

Mifune low diff

 

[Kages]

Mifune probably wins

 

[ShaneEyyy]

Mifune probably wins

Probably not

 

[TheTailedSage]

Mifune probably wins

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no... Just no

 

[EZQ]

zabuza wins, since he just needs 1 hand seal to make the mist, it'go like this:

Zabuza uses the seal (mist is starting to appear)

Mifune jumps pretty fast to atack zabuza, he slashes him.

It was a water clone, zabuza used it fast when the mist started.

Zabuza from behind decapitates mifune.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Zabuza's sword can't be enhanced with chakra, though.. That should be considered.

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[Penguin]

He meant Zabuza cannot enhance it himself. All swords can be enhanced, you just need the right user.

 

[Curse Mark]

He meant Zabuza cannot enhance it himself. All swords can be enhanced, you just need the right user.

Sorry for not elaborating. Sasuke has a proficiency for chakra enhanced swords as well. It's no surprise he did that. Zabuza however cannot.

 

[ShaneEyyy]

Sorry for not elaborating. Sasuke has a proficiency for chakra enhanced swords as well. It's no surprise he did that. Zabuza however cannot.

Doesn't matter, as you can see in that scan, Zabuza's sword is holding off Killer B, Killer B is barely cutting the sword even before Sasuke intervened. Zabuza's sword would get damaged, but it will still give him enough time to put up the mist.

 

[ShaneEyyy]

For all of you who think Mifune can defeat Zabuza because he is fast and doesn't allow anyone to make a seal, then can he defeat Kisame then? Kisame has the same speed and skill in Taijutsu in the data book as Zabuza, even though Kisame is stronger than Zabuza, to everyone's logic Mifune would win...

 

[Joki]

1.

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As you can see here, Zabuza doesn't need to use that stance. He could just use only 1 hand to make only 1 seal and make a very thick mist instantly. Unlike other ninja, such as Hanzo, who need to use multiple hand seals to activate a jutsu, which is slower. Zabuza has a 4/5 for hand seals in the data book, which behind Itachi, is the second highest of the Akatsuki. So obviously Zabuza is really skilled with hand seals and it's evident he can perform one.

Yes, but it's not instantly. Just eying that scan it's clear he's extremely defenseless, Kakashi was standing there in the bottom panel doing nothing when the mist formed. What exactly would Zabuza do in that situation when Mifune lunges at him to cut him in half while he's making that hand sign? It takes way longer than any quick set of seals usually does and Mifune's entire fighting style revolves around countering those faster seals. Even look at the next couple pages:

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Kakashi can see him and he has to continue that sign, the mist is nowhere near as useful as you claim here, assuming Zabuza can even activate it without being tailed by Mifune wherever he hopes to go off to.

2. Mifune isn't stronger (physically) than Zabuza. Zabuza has a 4/5 for strength in the data book, which behind Kisame, is the second highest of the Akatsuki who are composed of S-rank level ninja. I'd like to see Mifune who's pretty old beat out the guy who could withstand a dozen swords impaled into his body in strength.

Like I said before, if Zabuza does counter Mifune's quickdraw interrupting his seals, his only option is defending with his sword. Mifune's swordsmanship is on another level, he cut through pure steel with his regular blade, Zabuza can't do anything against that, physically stronger or not I've never seen Zabuza do something like that and his blade was cut in half before. Mifune didn't even enhance his blade with chakra that time, other than his fists, Zabuza has no option but to use his sword and against Mifune that's a death wish.

3. Mifune's sword isn't "better"... It's just a regular sword unlike Zabuza's Kubikiribocho which is 10x the size of Mifune's sword and has the special ability to rebuild itself.

Exactly. For supporting my argument I reward you with a thanks. Mifune has a regular old sword yet still easily cuts steel, that alone should prove Mifune is ridiculous when it comes to that, even Zabuza's executioner sword isn't on that level. Plus, Mifune's is smaller and more agile if you want to get technical.

4. Mifune may be faster, but with Zabuza's sword being so large, it can make Mifune stay at a distance and more than likely not allow him to land a lethal blow. Plus, as I said before, all Zabuza has to do is make 1 hand sign with 1 hand, obviously if Zabuza has the time to swing his sword he'll have time to make that seal and put up the mist.

Mifune's style has to do with up close and personal, let's be honest that's a little bit speculative. Mifune has no sign of fear or backing off in any fight, Zabuza's size or his sword's size won't actually matter here. Mifune wouldn't stay at a distance and allow Zabuza to make hand seals, like Hanzo said he utilizes the opening making any seals make. 1 hand seal with 1 hand is more than enough, see above even if Zabuza could counter with his sword which is only natural(if he doesn't he dies), Mifune would have the mass upper hand, plus Zabuza will be forced on the defensive by a wide margin and won't actually be able to use jutsu because each time he tries Mifune is on him.

He even put up the mist infront of Might Guy who is even faster than Mifune. That being said, you think he can't put it up against Mifune?

Unlike Mifune, Gai's objective isn't to intercept Zabuza the second it takes him to make a hand seal. I do think he can't put it up against Mifune, the second he tries like I said he will be on the defensive. I noticed your post didn't actually mention Zabuza's real jutsu like Water Dragon or vortex etc, which is great because out of anyone in the manga mifune just happens to be up against Zabuza who has to make like 40+ seals specifically for water dragon and etc.

Bottom line, all he really has is his sword to defend himself. Mifune's skill is canonically stronger than his and entering a sword battle as Zabuza with Mifune is a horrible idea. Not only that but last I checked Zabuza doesn't have knowledge against Mifune, and if he did it's not like Zabuza can instantly and effortlessly develop a style fit to counter Mifune's when all of his jutsu take seals, and his hidden mist requires to take 1 hand to form the mist and defenseless or near it the entire time.

5. If Zabuza and Mifune were to actually fight, you think they'd actually start out facing each other? Zabuza is the #1 assassin in the series to date and is the best at Silent Killing in history. With him being so stealthy and a genius at Silent Killing, before Mifune even arrived to his location, Zabuza would hear him and hide, when Mifune arrives, he would then see Mifune and put up the mist while hiding to get the edge. Then when the mist is up, it's all child's play for Zabuza.

Well he sure as hell "started out facing each other" when he openly threw his sword at a tree in front of team 7 and introduced himself. Anyway another point I didn't mention since you brought it up though, Mifune like Hiruzen utilizing his other senses wouldn't be out of the question. Zabuza can't see in the mist either his only perk is able to hear/smell/etc better than someone else.

But that wouldn't matter, the second Zabuza makes a hand sign for the mist he'll be attacked by Mifune, he's slower and wouldn't be able to get away, if he can't defend at any point he dies. If he runs Mifune can follow, if he tries to use any of his jutsu other than fighting with his sword, he dies. I don't realistically see how anyone can support Zabuza here lol, it's Mifune's nigh perfect match.

You need to be more meticulous about this. It's obvious Zabuza wins. I say mid diff.

It's not obvious Zabuza wins if I as an unbiased man am still arguing for Mifune, hell I think it's pretty obvious Mifune wins. If it was obvious there should be no question and any scan you post should destroy mine but it's not the case, it looks like the scans are indeed in Mifune's favor, like I said I don't see how anyone can even think Mifune's fighting style is invalid and totally isn't the best match for Zabuza I ever did see.

 

[ShaneEyyy]

Yes, but it's not instantly. Just eying that scan it's clear he's extremely defenseless, Kakashi was standing there in the bottom panel doing nothing when the mist formed. What exactly would Zabuza do in that situation when Mifune lunges at him to cut him in half while he's making that hand sign? It takes way longer than any quick set of seals usually does and Mifune's entire fighting style revolves around countering those faster seals. Even look at the next couple pages:

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Kakashi can see him and he has to continue that sign, the mist is nowhere near as useful as you claim here, assuming Zabuza can even activate it without being tailed by Mifune wherever he hopes to go off to.


Like I said before, if Zabuza does counter Mifune's quickdraw interrupting his seals, his only option is defending with his sword. Mifune's swordsmanship is on another level, he cut through pure steel with his regular blade, Zabuza can't do anything against that, physically stronger or not I've never seen Zabuza do something like that and his blade was cut in half before. Mifune didn't even enhance his blade with chakra that time, other than his fists, Zabuza has no option but to use his sword and against Mifune that's a death wish.

Exactly. For supporting my argument I reward you with a thanks. Mifune has a regular old sword yet still easily cuts steel, that alone should prove Mifune is ridiculous when it comes to that, even Zabuza's executioner sword isn't on that level. Plus, Mifune's is smaller and more agile if you want to get technical.

Mifune's style has to do with up close and personal, let's be honest that's a little bit speculative. Mifune has no sign of fear or backing off in any fight, Zabuza's size or his sword's size won't actually matter here. Mifune wouldn't stay at a distance and allow Zabuza to make hand seals, like Hanzo said he utilizes the opening making any seals make. 1 hand seal with 1 hand is more than enough, see above even if Zabuza could counter with his sword which is only natural(if he doesn't he dies), Mifune would have the mass upper hand, plus Zabuza will be forced on the defensive by a wide margin and won't actually be able to use jutsu because each time he tries Mifune is on him.
Unlike Mifune, Gai's objective isn't to intercept Zabuza the second it takes him to make a hand seal. I do think he can't put it up against Mifune, the second he tries like I said he will be on the defensive. I noticed your post didn't actually mention Zabuza's real jutsu like Water Dragon or vortex etc, which is great because out of anyone in the manga mifune just happens to be up against Zabuza who has to make like 40+ seals specifically for water dragon and etc.

Bottom line, all he really has is his sword to defend himself. Mifune's skill is canonically stronger than his and entering a sword battle as Zabuza with Mifune is a horrible idea. Not only that but last I checked Zabuza doesn't have knowledge against Mifune, and if he did it's not like Zabuza can instantly and effortlessly develop a style fit to counter Mifune's when all of his jutsu take seals, and his hidden mist requires to take 1 hand to form the mist and defenseless or near it the entire time.

Well he sure as hell "started out facing each other" when he openly threw his sword at a tree in front of team 7 and introduced himself. Anyway another point I didn't mention since you brought it up though, Mifune like Hiruzen utilizing his other senses wouldn't be out of the question. Zabuza can't see in the mist either his only perk is able to hear/smell/etc better than someone else.

But that wouldn't matter, the second Zabuza makes a hand sign for the mist he'll be attacked by Mifune, he's slower and wouldn't be able to get away, if he can't defend at any point he dies. If he runs Mifune can follow, if he tries to use any of his jutsu other than fighting with his sword, he dies. I don't realistically see how anyone can support Zabuza here lol, it's Mifune's nigh perfect match.

It's not obvious Zabuza wins if I as an unbiased man am still arguing for Mifune, hell I think it's pretty obvious Mifune wins. If it was obvious there should be no question and any scan you post should destroy mine but it's not the case, it looks like the scans are indeed in Mifune's favor, like I said I don't see how anyone can even think Mifune's fighting style is invalid and totally isn't the best match for Zabuza I ever did see.

I honestly don't feel like replying back to that huge text. I skimmed through some of it and noticed some flaws. I'll get back to you maybe sometime tomorrow when I'm not tired and lazy.

Also I will tell you this, you said it wasn't Guy's objective to intercept Zabuza... then what the hell was his objective? To let him put up the mist for dozens of his comrades would die? There's many other flaws but I think that's all I have to say.

 

[Curse Mark]

Doesn't matter, as you can see in that scan, Zabuza's sword is holding off Killer B, Killer B is barely cutting the sword even before Sasuke intervened. Zabuza's sword would get damaged, but it will still give him enough time to put up the mist.

HAHAH WHAT. omg HE CUT HALFWAY THROUGH THE SWORD BEFORE SASUKE INTERVENED

 

[ShaneEyyy]

HAHAH WHAT. omg HE CUT HALFWAY THROUGH THE SWORD BEFORE SASUKE INTERVENED

My point exactly, during that time when it's cutting half, Zabuza will put up the mist...

 

[Curse Mark]

But it won't stop halfway. It will cut clean through and straight into Zabuza.

 

[ShaneEyyy]

But it won't stop halfway. It will cut clean through and straight into Zabuza.

You think as if Zabuza is just going to keep his Kubikiribocho holding up against Mifune's blade... he's going to be swinging it back and forth

 

[Curse Mark]

You think as if Zabuza is just going to keep his Kubikiribocho holding up against Mifune's blade... he's going to be swinging it back and forth

He's going to have to be holding it still to block?

 

[Scooby Doo]

Don't underestimate Zabuza U_U