[Discussion] Middle Asia and subcontinet(Indians, etc)

[HashiraMadara]

I have many friends from the subcontinent on Facebook. Indians, Pakistanis, Bangla, Sri Lankans etc... There seem to be 1 thing in common in all of them. They feel the employment competition.

*I started first grade at 5 finished the 12th at 16. Did my first year at 17... got my first solid job at 18 in my second year doing BSc Maths and CS. The point with this little story is that before I was even a graduate I got employed, I won't say it was easy but it was not gruelling either. I didn't have to sweat blood to be employed, yet my highest qualification at the time was being a high school graduate.


*ON THE TOPIC: My Asian friends are Studying Medicines, Engineering, CS, Law etc
These guys should be feeling high, or self esteem should be lifted yet They're not.
There is this uncertainty on them about if they are ever going get employment. From where I am from having one of those degrees you don't even need networking to get a job, you're employed instantly.

*Only one of them graduated and went straight into employment, he is from a well connected family. He is from Delhi, yet he got a job on Amazon all the way in Hyderabad. Meaning his family's status played a part.

*India having a population of > 1 billion you'd think they're having it the worst yet in m research I am seeing that Bangladesh seems to have the highest competition of employment: Having 156.6 million people inside 147,570 km^2 creates dense threshold...

*Pakistan on the other hand, its people seem to value government job > private companies, since pension fund in government jobs doesn't come out of your own pocket. The government in this country holds the highest authority since capitalism hasn't bloomed that much: 80%-90% a muslim country.

This thread has no conclusion, since I just want confirmation from people living in the mention countries if my research was incorrect in their experience...

 

[Reraru]

Engineers, doctors, and teachers are very common in Pakistan. Government jobs are very valuable I agree but they do not treat the employees very well.

 

[Gerkak]

I believe this applies to all 3rd world countries.

 

[HashiraMadara]

I believe this applies to all 3rd world countries.

I live in a "third world country" BTW

 

[Gerkak]

I live in a "third world country" BTW

That so? Where exactly, if you don't mind me asking

 

[HashiraMadara]

That so? Where exactly, if you don't mind me asking

it's written under my avatar, my country and city...

 

[Ansatsuken]

I saw many members from Pakistan and India here or Pakistan people that migrate outside like to USA as example

 

[Gerkak]

it's written under my avatar, my country and city...

Well South Africa isn't as underdeveloped as these places(South Africa is almost 2nd world). Despite india being much richer than SA as a country, it's GDP per capita is much lower. So access to critical infrastructure well paying jobs that benefit those offering skilled labour are much more unavailable there than in SA.

An example in Africa would be comparing SA to Nigeria. Nigeria's GDP is nearly twice as large as SA but its per capita, infrastructure and amount of jobs available for those with skills is less, not to mention the corruption etc. So the less developed and higher the population the more difficult gaining employment for those with skills are gonna be.

 

[HashiraMadara]

Well South Africa isn't as underdeveloped as these places(South Africa is almost 2nd world). Despite india being much richer than SA as a country, it's GDP per capita is much lower. So access to critical infrastructure well paying jobs that benefit those offering skilled labour are much more unavailable there than in SA.

An example in Africa would be comparing SA to Nigeria. Nigeria's GDP is nearly twice as large as SA but its per capita, infrastructure and amount of jobs available for those with skills is less, not to mention the corruption etc. So the less developed and higher the population the more difficult gaining employment for those with skills are gonna be.

Yeah many of my colleagues are Indian migrants, my first year lecture was a Pakistani guy. Many of them come to South Africa to seek employment. Chinese are practically running the small shops everywhere here, and many African countrymen come here. I agree with you on that one.

In America and Europe, only white Americans and Europeans that generally move here. Taking advantage of the South Africa Rand(currency). as
1 $ ~ R10
1 pound ~ R20
1 euro ~ R12
So the exchange favours them at least.

 

[lord seventh]

Yup....right on the spot
Just look at me I am engineering student myself and there is huge pressure on me to score best grades just for normal jobs...and for better jobs you have to be extraordinary talented....

The main cause for all this trouble is lack of job opportunity thats why eventhough you hold a good degree you remains unemploy unless you are above average

 

[Wabbit]

in my second year doing BSc Maths and CS.

You are comp sci major? I have lot to talk to you.

*ON THE TOPIC: My Asian friends are Studying Medicines, Engineering, CS, Law etc
These guys should be feeling high, or self esteem should be lifted yet They're not.
There is this uncertainty on them about if they are ever going get employment. From where I am from having one of those degrees you don't even need networking to get a job, you're employed instantly.

*Only one of them graduated and went straight into employment, he is from a well connected family. He is from Delhi, yet he got a job on Amazon all the way in Hyderabad. Meaning his family's status played a part.

*India having a population of > 1 billion you'd think they're having it the worst yet in m research I am seeing that Bangladesh seems to have the highest competition of employment: Having 156.6 million people inside 147,570 km^2 creates dense threshold...

*Pakistan on the other hand, its people seem to value government job > private companies, since pension fund in government jobs doesn't come out of your own pocket. The government in this country holds the highest authority since capitalism hasn't bloomed that much: 80%-90% a muslim country.

This thread has no conclusion, since I just want confirmation from people living in the mention countries if my research was incorrect in their experience...

Quality of education and students is down to earth.
Education sector and government is plagued by reservation so many deserved people cant into education. There is no competition, it is already decided. Education for Indians is a way out of poverty, so parents force their kids as investment into profitable field, so many people dnt know what the hell they are doing there, which in turn makes them unfit for employment.
Some ppl stay away from blue collar jobs or odd jobs because muh status. I have seen some blue collar job holders making solid $$ and living comfy. Some people would pay bribe or kill and do some retarded shit to get white collar job or job in government instead of that.

For engineering you can easily get a job in private sector, if you have skills because skilled graduates are uncommon. It also depends on where you study, some company take hundreds of students like sheeps and put them somewhere like tech support staffs. That could start one's career at start.
Commerce and Law is another guaranteed to get job field. I have observed these people work very hard at start, in few years they end up making lot lot of money.
Majority of deserved people cant get a job because they are blocked by reservation policies. Government jobs are jackpots but it could hard or painful to survive because it would be infested with people who are there only because they belonged to certain cast or minority. Like if you are engineering graduate and want to work in some government owned industry, the requirement for some section of people are so low plus they get promoted before you, it just does not makes sense for you to work there.
tl;dr basically it is 3rd world shithole. education sector,gubment and people suck. If you work hard and have skills you can easily get a job.

 

[Sir Cool Blizzard]

Indian here.
About to finish my BE(Hons) in civil engineering from one of the most reputed institutes in India, and already have a job( although in banking sector coz Civil Engg sector is saturated as hell at the moment).
If you belong to one of the premier Universities or institutes like IITs/IIMs/BITS, you don't need to worry about getting a job, but if not then getting a proper job is like catching a fish from a stream of fast running water. Although you can still get jobs in this economic slowdown coz of better performance of India's economy as compared to the other nations, they are all low paying jobs. So you can just imagine the competition and compulsion. Zzz

 

[HashiraMadara]

You are comp sci major? I have lot to talk to you.


Quality of education and students is down to earth.
Education sector and government is plagued by reservation so many deserved people cant into education. There is no competition, it is already decided. Education for Indians is a way out of poverty, so parents force their kids as investment into profitable field, so many people dnt know what the hell they are doing there, which in turn makes them unfit for employment.
Some ppl stay away from blue collar jobs or odd jobs because muh status. I have seen some blue collar job holders making solid $$ and living comfy. Some people would pay bribe or kill and do some retarded shit to get white collar job or job in government instead of that.

For engineering you can easily get a job in private sector, if you have skills because skilled graduates are uncommon. It also depends on where you study, some company take hundreds of students like sheeps and put them somewhere like tech support staffs. That could start one's career at start.
Commerce and Law is another guaranteed to get job field. I have observed these people work very hard at start, in few years they end up making lot lot of money.
Majority of deserved people cant get a job because they are blocked by reservation policies. Government jobs are jackpots but it could hard or painful to survive because it would be infested with people who are there only because they belonged to certain cast or minority. Like if you are engineering graduate and want to work in some government owned industry, the requirement for some section of people are so low plus they get promoted before you, it just does not makes sense for you to work there.
tl;dr basically it is 3rd world shithole. education sector,gubment and people suck. If you work hard and have skills you can easily get a job.

Ironically here South Africa is a Capitalist victim, many major private sectors are more powerful than the government itself. That's why someone moving from London, Washington DC etc won't notice major change when s/he comes to cape town because Cape Town itself only 60% South African owned, the rest of 40% is owned by Oprah, Donald Trump etc...

From what I mentioned above leads to government jobs being < private sector instead of jackpots...

Many people here doing BA jobs, blue collar jobs, media etc that even sh*ttiest of sh*tty Institute of science/law/business certificate will immediately get you a job...

I mean my boss never even finished high school, yet he is in charge of a graduate like me... Because graduate are rare here, it doesn't matter how sh*tty the college you graduated in, it will still get you a job here

 

[HashiraMadara]

Yup....right on the spot
Just look at me I am engineering student myself and there is huge pressure on me to score best grades just for normal jobs...and for better jobs you have to be extraordinary talented....

The main cause for all this trouble is lack of job opportunity thats why eventhough you hold a good degree you remains unemploy unless you are above average

That's why many Indians with families this side move here... as long as it is engineering, it will get you the job here. They're obvlious to which institute you graduated in.

 

[BLAZE]

When you have over million competitors to enter Engineering college each year then its common sense you are inside a pressure cooker :|

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[Narushima]

Even here in the UK, and I imagine in the west in general, Indians and East Asians tend to ascribe status to educational background in accordance with that of the professions back home. Medicine and engineering, the core and most highly paid accessible professions in economies without a dominant service sector, are on a league of their own when it comes to esteem in Asia.

In my university Indians and East Asians were significantly more overrepresented in the engineering department than they were in the physics and maths departments - the grade entry requirements for the engineering disciplines are the same as for physics and even slightly lower than for maths, so the distribution reflected personal choices.

Or to take another anecdote, my girlfriend, the only child of first-generation Chinese immigrants, initially wanted to study maths at university. When she confided this to her parents, it resulted in an extremely bitter family-conflict with her parents (they wanted her to pursue medicine though she has no interest in biology/chemistry whatsoever) finally compromising on mechanical engineering.

Usually when I tell other Whites that I have a joint Bsc in maths/physics I'm treated like some sort of oracle but when I told her parents, not only were they completely unimpressed but they seemed to have the impression that I wanted to be a school teacher - there is, in fact, a shortage of degree qualified physics and maths teachers here in the UK because most physics/maths graduates tend to go into finance, but they were convinced otherwise. At some point in the conversation my gf told them that my pre-university academic record was better than hers and frankly I could tell they were sceptical.

Recently I told them that I am planning on going to medical school and her mother joked that it was ok that she did not go after-all because they would have a physician son-in-law. It was the first time she's ever even hinted at the possibility of me marrying her daughter. It looks like I've finally earned their approval.

 

[Wabbit]

Ironically here South Africa is a Capitalist victim, many major private sectors are more powerful than the government itself. That's why someone moving from London, Washington DC etc won't notice major change when s/he comes to cape town because Cape Town itself only 60% South African owned, the rest of 40% is owned by Oprah, Donald Trump etc...

From what I mentioned above leads to government jobs being < private sector instead of jackpots...

Many people here doing BA jobs, blue collar jobs, media etc that even sh*ttiest of sh*tty Institute of science/law/business certificate will immediately get you a job...

I mean my boss never even finished high school, yet he is in charge of a graduate like me... Because graduate are rare here, it doesn't matter how sh*tty the college you graduated in, it will still get you a job here

And here I was thinking capitalism is great because I at least have the opportunity to survive if I worked myself way up.
Government jobs are jackpots because they scam the shit out of everything or they get ridiculously high pay when they are lecturers in government institutions.
Once you get a Job you start to think about quality of life. From what I hear SA is not any better than any other 3rd world. People always try to move out from here to lawful and clean places.

 

[JENchuuriki]

You are comp sci major? I have lot to talk to you.


Quality of education and students is down to earth.
Education sector and government is plagued by reservation so many deserved people cant into education. There is no competition, it is already decided. Education for Indians is a way out of poverty, so parents force their kids as investment into profitable field, so many people dnt know what the hell they are doing there, which in turn makes them unfit for employment.
Some ppl stay away from blue collar jobs or odd jobs because muh status. I have seen some blue collar job holders making solid $$ and living comfy. Some people would pay bribe or kill and do some retarded shit to get white collar job or job in government instead of that.

For engineering you can easily get a job in private sector, if you have skills because skilled graduates are uncommon. It also depends on where you study, some company take hundreds of students like sheeps and put them somewhere like tech support staffs. That could start one's career at start.
Commerce and Law is another guaranteed to get job field. I have observed these people work very hard at start, in few years they end up making lot lot of money.
Majority of deserved people cant get a job because they are blocked by reservation policies. Government jobs are jackpots but it could hard or painful to survive because it would be infested with people who are there only because they belonged to certain cast or minority. Like if you are engineering graduate and want to work in some government owned industry, the requirement for some section of people are so low plus they get promoted before you, it just does not makes sense for you to work there.
tl;dr basically it is 3rd world shithole. education sector,gubment and people suck. If you work hard and have skills you can easily get a job.

I'm from Philippines, also a 3rd world country. What you said is basically the truth.

Also, I observe that those who are in blue collar job here earns much less like farmers who don't own their lands and/or fishermen's who don't have their own boats/nets etc. ? I think they should earn more than the white-collar jobs ;cause they use skill and manpower

 

[HashiraMadara]

And here I was thinking capitalism is great because I at least have the opportunity to survive if I worked myself way up.
Government jobs are jackpots because they scam the shit out of everything or they get ridiculously high pay when they are lecturers in government institutions.
Once you get a Job you start to think about quality of life. From what I hear SA is not any better than any other 3rd world. People always try to move out from here to lawful and clean places.

Well South Africa is a smoke and mirrors country...

It is divided into 3 imaginary sectors...

Suburban sector: Townships : Villages

30% of South Africa is Suburban:~ These people are the richest in the country, usually tourists end here and decide South Africa is a 1st world country. They live in the cleanest places, Cape Town even won number 1 world destination city twice in a row. The government does the best it can to keep these people satisfied. These places are top first world.

Townships
40% of South African lives here:~ This is most varied of the three, It is ranked is the bottom edge of 2nd world. It ranges from Brooklyn, Detroit looking houses at the best to the west being Brazilian, Chennai slums. These places are usually a few kilometres from huge cities.

Villages
30% of South Africa lives here:~ Well everyone knows what village life it's about. It's about few rich families feeding on poor ones both living far away from the cities

 

[Wabbit]

I'm from Philippines, also a 3rd world country. What you said is basically the truth.

Also, I observe that those who are in blue collar job here earns much less like farmers who don't own their lands and/or fishermen's who don't have their own boats/nets etc. ? I think they should earn more than the white-collar jobs ;cause they use skill and manpower

Farmers and fishermen earn less because they are at the bottom of the chain.