Mei Terumi vs Nagato

[Edo Odin]

That's exactly the one I'm talking about; the one possessing both Kyuubi and the final Susanoo. Kyuubi is just the cream on the cake to be honest, since unlike Hashirama, Nagato is not perfectly suited to fight it and does not possess a Kekkei Genkai that literally allows him to suppress and tame Bijuu, even the strongest of them all.

If you do not see a single way for Hashirama to counter Chibaku Tensei, you clearly did not put much thought into the fight.

Of course, elaborating all these points I strongly disagree on exceeds this thread, but if you're interested in a debate concerning Hashirama or Madara vs. Nagato, I'm always open for that via visitor messages.

It hasn't been confirmed that he had the PS at the time. And the Deva Path alone managed to catch the Kyuubi into Chibaku Tensei, and even stated that the only thing he'd have to do would be to make it bigger, when the Kyuubi broke out.

Please tell me how Hashi will counter the Chibaku Tensei. The only offensive jutsu we've seen from him is Wood Release, which wouldn't do crap to the Chibaku :| We haven't even seen Hashirama in a fight yet, we don't know what he's capable of, but based on what we've seen so far, I don't see him beating Nagato

You forgot Madara xD

But it goes

1. Kabuto (with Edo Tensei)
2. Naruto
3. Obito (with Jinchuriki Paths)
4. Madara (if we include his edo stuff, but im not doing multiple forms)
5. Hashirama (although he is a bad match for nagato)
6. Nagato

Obito is above Naruto xd He was holding up fine against Naruto, Kakashi and Gai at the same time.

And you can't include Edo's themselves, otherwise you'd have to put Edo Nagato on the list, since he beats pretty much everyone on it if he's in Edo Form.

And Hashirama has shown nothing which states that he can beat Nagato.

Naruto, Obito, EMS Madara, Hashirama, Kabuto(Edos), Hiruzen, Minato, Tobirama(maybe)

Naruto: could go either way
Obito: Obito wins
We haven't seen enough of EMS Madara and Hashirama to state that they'll beat Nagato. Please explain why you think they'll beat him ?
Kabuto: Of course Kabuto wins
Hiruzen, Minato, Tobirama: Is that a joke ? :|

 

[Kages]

It hasn't been confirmed that he had the PS at the time. And the Deva Path alone managed to catch the Kyuubi into Chibaku Tensei, and even stated that the only thing he'd have to do would be to make it bigger, when the Kyuubi broke out.

Please tell me how Hashi will counter the Chibaku Tensei. The only offensive jutsu we've seen from him is Wood Release, which wouldn't do crap to the Chibaku :| We haven't even seen Hashirama in a fight yet, we don't know what he's capable of, but based on what we've seen so far, I don't see him beating Nagato

Obito is above Naruto xd He was holding up fine against Naruto, Kakashi and Gai at the same time.

And you can't include Edo's themselves, otherwise you'd have to put Edo Nagato on the list, since he beats pretty much everyone on it if he's in Edo Form.

And Hashirama has shown nothing which states that he can beat Nagato.

Naruto: could go either way
Obito: Obito wins
We haven't seen enough of EMS Madara and Hashirama to state that they'll beat Nagato. Please explain why you think they'll beat him ?
Kabuto: Of course Kabuto wins
Hiruzen, Minato, Tobirama: Is that a joke ? :|

Ask a Minato or Hiruzen fanboy and they will say why. Maybe Unbiased?

 

[Lightbringer]

Mei forfeits to Nagato because of how hot she thinks he is. Then Nagato takes her soul.

 

[FloriGlori]

It hasn't been confirmed that he had the PS at the time. And the Deva Path alone managed to catch the Kyuubi into Chibaku Tensei, and even stated that the only thing he'd have to do would be to make it bigger, when the Kyuubi broke out.

Please tell me how Hashi will counter the Chibaku Tensei. The only offensive jutsu we've seen from him is Wood Release, which wouldn't do crap to the Chibaku :| We haven't even seen Hashirama in a fight yet, we don't know what he's capable of, but based on what we've seen so far, I don't see him beating Nagato

It was strongly implied, strong enough to leave only little room for interpretation.

That's the kind of fragmentary and incomplete observation that leads to misconceptions and overestimation. What Tendo managed was to trap a miniature Kyuubi with merely six tails that lacked in intelligence and did not fully transform until it was already captured. Put emphasis on the last two points: Kyuubi was not controlled by Madara's superior intellect and did not face the said technique with full power. Nor was Nagato disturbed by Madara, who can act while controlling the fox.

Your last paragraph shows that you lack knowledge about Hashirama's abilities and their usage in actual battle, and judge this topic from a pretty one-sided perspective. As I said, discussing these points exceeds this thread, my first two points actually did already, but I'm willing to discuss them with you at any time via visitor messages. Post any further comments concerning these points there, as I'm not going to answer another post not concerning Mei vs. Nagato.

 

[Edo Odin]

It was strongly implied, strong enough to leave only little room for interpretation.

That's the kind of fragmentary and incomplete observation that leads to misconceptions and overestimation. What Tendo managed was to trap a miniature Kyuubi with merely six tails that lacked in intelligence and did not fully transform until it was already captured. Put emphasis on the last two points: Kyuubi was not controlled by Madara's superior intellect and did not face the said technique with full power. Nor was Nagato disturbed by Madara, who can act while controlling the fox.

Your last paragraph shows that you lack knowledge about Hashirama's abilities and their usage in actual battle, and judge this topic from a pretty one-sided perspective. As I said, discussing these points exceeds this thread, my first two points actually did already, but I'm willing to discuss them with you at any time via visitor messages. Post any further comments concerning these points there, as I'm not going to answer another post not concerning Mei vs. Nagato.

Can't post VM's, I'll just post it here since you're still here anyway.

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Madara on this picture is using the Rinnegan to use the PS, so I don't see why you say that it's implied that he had the PS before Rinnegan.

No matter what the intelligence Madara and Hashi have, they haven't shown any attacks that I remember with the potential of being able to break through the Chibaku Tensei. Don't forget that it took a TBB, RasenShuriken, and Itachi's fire attack to break the Chibaku, with Naruto having full intel on it. Unless Madara or Hashirama have full info, they're not countering that technique. At least, that's the way I see it. If you disagree, go ahead and explain why

You say that Nagato would have trouble making the Chibaku, but you're forgetting that he has the Gedo Mazo, the Animal Path Summons, and the 6POP tp keep his opponents busy while making the technique, which only takes like 5 seconds anyway.

You say that I don't realize how strong Hashirama is, but still you don't list how Hashi will counter the technique. Please go ahead and tell me how

 

[Salad]

Nagato low diff

 

[Icelerate]

Eh even with these advantages I would probably give my vote to Nagato w/ mid difficulty. IMO there has to be a duo (more likely a trio) of the current kages to handle Nagato. Mei and her bodyguards wouldn't be enough to convince me otherwise. What version of Nagato is this by the way?

No Nagato solos with low difficulty.

Preta path will absorb all of Mei's ninjutsu and since that is all she pretty much has, she is screwed. The body guards are nonfactors especially Ao who hasn't showed us any skill in combat. Chojuro gets owned by Asura path, human path or shinra tensei if he tries to attack Nagato. Nagato could also avoid kenjutsu from Chojuro by flying into the air.

These three don't have counters to many jutsus from Nagato's arsenal which I am not bothered to list. Explain how Mei and her body guards push Nagato to mid difficulty?

 

[genii96]

Nagato rapes.

Kabuto
madara
tobi
nagato
hashirama

which spot is mei again?

 

[genii96]

Nagato rapes.

Kabuto
madara
tobi
nagato
hashirama

which spot is mei again?

 

[Scooby Doo]

It took Itachi, Naruto and Bee to defeat Nagato...any question?

 

[shelke]

Nagato wins this without any difference. Mei is not top 15 honestly and Nagato clearly is a top tier ninja.

Madara on this picture is using the Rinnegan to use the PS, so I don't see why you say that it's implied that he had the PS before Rinnegan.

No matter what the intelligence Madara and Hashi have, they haven't shown any attacks that I remember with the potential of being able to break through the Chibaku Tensei. Don't forget that it took a TBB, RasenShuriken, and Itachi's fire attack to break the Chibaku, with Naruto having full intel on it. Unless Madara or Hashirama have full info, they're not countering that technique. At least, that's the way I see it. If you disagree, go ahead and explain why

You say that Nagato would have trouble making the Chibaku, but you're forgetting that he has the Gedo Mazo, the Animal Path Summons, and the 6POP tp keep his opponents busy while making the technique, which only takes like 5 seconds anyway.

You say that I don't realize how strong Hashirama is, but still you don't list how Hashi will counter the technique. Please go ahead and tell me how

This is a false statement, as this happened before this image:

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- Incomplete form
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- CS and he proceeds to stabilize its chakra for PS.
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- Completely stabilized CS.

In ALL the sussano forms - Incomplete, complete, and finally PS - he had Rinnegan on, which would mean - according to you - that his Sussano is also related to Rinnegan? It is obvious that as Rinnegan is a step further from EMS, he is able to use his EMS abilities as well, since his EMS evolved into Rinnegan.

PS is nothing more than a stabilized form of CS. How can you claim then then Rinnegan is required for PS, when it's STILL sussano; a technique that requires double MS/EMS to use?

Mei forfeits to Nagato because of how hot she thinks he is. Then Nagato takes her soul.

That's why her chances against Sasuke are slim as well. lol