May as well call it Naruto GT with how bad it is

[Unbiased]

I vote Unbiased to take over after Kishi.

Either that or we need to get the guy to start taking this seriously. He's alienating his fanbase when he makes dreams like this look stupid.

 

[hixa kuogame]

You obviously have a simple track mind. Gt was regarded widely as a bad series. Everyone else got it though so don't feel singled out.

No, I got your implication.. I just thought it was a stupid analogy. I think you're being overly dramatic just for the sake of being spiteful.
Naruto's inauguration didn't become a joke just because a joke was made. Stop acting as though you represent the entire fanbase. Not everyone cares as much as you whether Naruto's inauguration was a heartfelt, memory jogging experience or a joke that can be enjoyed for what it's worth. Not everyone needs an inauguration dedicated chapter to finally be relieved to see Naruto as hokage.

You're being petty. This much anger over a story not going your way is unnecessary.

 

[WalksInShadows]

What do you mean? He literally started his quest to become respected by the entire village and become hokage. One could argue he accomplished that dream but even at the end kishi made him look like a loser. The whole village saw konohamaru instead cloning naruto.

what exactly did Kishimoto change by Naruto getting knocked out by his daughter? He's still respected by the village and he's still Hokage.

 

[Tantalus Thief]

I really have a hard time considering the current manga canon. Some of us have been reading the manga since 03/04 and have been waiting for the day naruto finally becomes hokage, reflects on his journey with flashbacks, and the whole chapter is dedicated to that since that was quite literally the point of the series.

Instead we got a joke chapter about a five year old knocking out naruto even if it was meant as a joke.

Some people try to compare this to naruto punching minato but kishimoto didn't ruin the only point in the series that actually really mattered, naruto fulfilling his dream and becoming hokage.

Wish we lost kishi vs iwata. One didn't attempt to ruin what he built and the other actively pursues that objective.

Yeah I feel like Kishi really disrespected Naruto by him not witnessing the moment he has been waiting and striving for years. There is a time and place for him to asspull a byakugan for Himawari but the one shot is not it.

 

[wanderingcactus]

People seriously wanted a legit ceremony? Thats too boring

 

[Unbiased]

what exactly did Kishimoto change by Naruto getting knocked out by his daughter? He's still respected by the village and he's still Hokage.

If you run a long marathon and come in first place, you deserve to at least be recognized assuming it's a competition. That's exactly what happens on naruto only he isn't publicly recognized he's just drafted in.

It's like if someone ruined your wedding. Doesn't matter how, it's ruined.

People seriously wanted a legit ceremony? Thats too boring

I've been waiting 11 years and he pulls this. Yes I want a legit ceremony.

No, I got your implication.. I just thought it was a stupid analogy. I think you're being overly dramatic just for the sake of being spiteful.
Naruto's inauguration didn't become a joke just because a joke was made. Stop acting as though you represent the entire fanbase. Not everyone cares as much as you whether Naruto's inauguration was a heartfelt, memory jogging experience or a joke that can be enjoyed for what it's worth. Not everyone needs an inauguration dedicated chapter to finally be relieved to see Naruto as hokage.

You're being petty. This much anger over a story not going your way is unnecessary.

Petty is making accusations like anger on the face of disappointment. Please grow up. Some of us actually contribute to the series.

 

[Natsu Shazneel]

Naruto is lucky to have a daughter like Himawari. She has shown the ablity to solo Kage level shonobi at such a young age.

 

[Glad Of War]

If you run a long marathon and come in first place, you deserve to at least be recognized assuming it's a competition. That's exactly what happens on naruto only he isn't publicly recognized he's just drafted in.

It's like if someone ruined your wedding. Doesn't matter how, it's ruined.


I've been waiting 11 years and he pulls this. Yes I want a legit ceremony.



Petty is making accusations like anger on the face of disappointment. Please grow up. Some of us actually contribute to the series.

The villagers, Sasuke, Sakura, Team 11, 4 Kages, Konohamaru, Kakashi all recognize Naruto as the 7th Hokage /thread.

 

[WalksInShadows]

If you run a long marathon and come in first place, you deserve to at least be recognized assuming it's a competition. That's exactly what happens on naruto only he isn't publicly recognized he's just drafted in.

It's like if someone ruined your wedding. Doesn't matter how, it's ruined.


I've been waiting 11 years and he pulls this. Yes I want a legit ceremony.

Naruto was already given the rank before the day of the ceremony, so a wedding ceremony isn't the best analogy to use. This is more about you having a problem with the inauguration not being portrayed the way you wanted it to and much less about how it somehow ruined what Naruto accomplished. He's still a beloved figure around there and he's still Hokage.

As much i was looking forward to see the real Naruto be part of the pomp, i was still a lot more entertained than pissed when Konohamaru ended up having to pose as him. It's like saying Naruto was ruined at any point where Sakura did something to him or yelled at him out of comic relief at any point after he saved the village or the alliance.

 

[Unbiased]

Naruto was already given the rank before the day of the ceremony, so a wedding ceremony isn't the best analogy to use. This is more about you having a problem with the inauguration not being portrayed the way you wanted it to and much less about how it somehow ruined what Naruto accomplished. He's still a beloved figure around there and he's still Hokage.

As much i was looking forward to see the real Naruto be part of the pomp, i was still a lot more entertained than pissed when Konohamaru ended up having to pose as him. It's like saying Naruto was ruined at any point where Sakura did something to him or yelled at him out of comic relief at any point after he saved the village or the alliance.

You can get married before the ceremony, so the example works. In fact that's a common practice. And no this is quite different. Naruto had a dream of becoming hokage and being recognized by the ENTIRE village. The recognition part happens at the ceremony as the jonin and elders decide whose kage.

 

[WalksInShadows]

You can get married before the ceremony, so the example works. In fact that's a common practice. And no this is quite different. Naruto had a dream of becoming hokage and being recognized by the ENTIRE village. The recognition part happens at the ceremony as the jonin and elders decide whose kage.

that's definitely not true, as Tsunade was pretty much the only Hokage the elders gave that title to, and it was because of an unprecedented situation. Literally all the others were hand-picked successors chosen by the previous one dating back to Hashirama.

If a couple gets married before the ceremony, then the ceremony itself is just a dog and pony show that means virtually nothing in the grand scheme of things. The inauguration only means as much as you say it does if the title was handed over in the process of that ceremony. Naruto had already won over everybody by the time the 4th Great Shinobi War was over so he didn't actually need the ceremony to get it.

 

[Unbiased]

that's definitely not true, as Tsunade was pretty much the only Hokage the elders gave that title to, and it was because of an unprecedented situation. Literally all the others were hand-picked successors chosen by the previous one dating back to Hashirama.

If a couple gets married before the ceremony, then the ceremony itself is just a dog and pony show that means virtually nothing in the grand scheme of things. The inauguration only means as much as you say it does if the title was handed over in the process of that ceremony. Naruto had already won over everybody by the time the 4th Great Shinobi War was over so he didn't actually need the ceremony to get it.

The fire daiymo has always been present in the official paperwork. This is a village inside a country. Like how California is a state in the USA. It's not some separate entity. There's a reason the fire daiymo, the elders, and the jonin commander got together to decide. The village decided hashirama as they would never accept madara according to tobirama BTW. It's always been a large group thing. Naruto is the first one to get treated with disrespect in his ceremony. (By not even having one)

The ceremony is how you get recognized. The point of the ceremony in a marriage or any event like graduating is to publicly display what's going on. To say this "means virtually nothing" in narutos case is going way too far.

 

[WalksInShadows]

The fire daiymo has always been present in the official paperwork. This is a village inside a country. Like how California is a state in the USA. It's not some separate entity. There's a reason the fire daiymo, the elders, and the jonin commander got together to decide. The village decided hashirama as they would never accept madara according to tobirama BTW. It's always been a large group thing. Naruto is the first one to get treated with disrespect in his ceremony. (By not even having one)

this part of your argument loses ground on the fact that Hashirama was literally the only Hokage that was democratically elected. From Tobirama to Hiruzen, and from Tsunade to Naruto, there was at least a mention where someone has unilaterally chosen or planned to choose who their successor was going to be w/o mentioning anything about there being a vote involved.

The ceremony is how you get recognized. The point of the ceremony in a marriage or any event like graduating is to publicly display what's going on. To say this "means virtually nothing" in narutos case is going way too far.

the ppl already knew who Naruto was before then, they have admired and/respected him before then, and a good number of them have known that he was going to be Hokage before then, and he already acquired the title before then. Naruto not making it to the ceremony did nothing to change that.

 

[Unbiased]

this part of your argument loses ground on the fact that Hashirama was literally the only Hokage that was democratically elected. From Tobirama to Hiruzen, and from Tsunade to Naruto, there was at least a mention where someone has unilaterally chosen or planned to choose who their successor was going to be w/o mentioning anything about there being a vote involved.

the ppl already knew who Naruto was before then, they have admired and/respected him before then, and a good number of them have known that he was going to be Hokage before then, and he already acquired the title before then. Naruto not making it to the ceremony did nothing to change that.

You don't understand the point of a ceremony or the impact it has on people. It's one thing to say yeah that Naruto guy is Hokage, it's another thing to say "I just witnessed the 7th hokage's inauguration and it was awesome. The hokage made shadow clones and greeted everyone of us and then made shadow clones that greeted every villager in every other country just for laughs!" That would be how you write an inauguration about the greatest ninja ever. Although that's just a hypothetical example I just made up, point is Naruto himself was not there and that will forever leave a stain on his legacy. It's literally a stain that can never be washed. His first hokage inauguration wasted.

The hokage/Ninja/Villagers can all say "we think X should be hokage". They said that about Naruto and still he had Danzo and Kakashi come before him. (Yes I'm aware Danzo was only candidate status but he was chosen nonetheless). It's not a one decision ordeal clearly. The entire process is chosen by the Fire Daiymo he must be present. The Fire Daiymo regardless of what person whoever they may be, ultimately decides. The jonin of the village also must vote as well. This isn't some communist China/Russia nonsense. Present a scan for the bold large text (to argue against it) because it looks like garbage compared to the manga we're arguing about called Naruto. Don't worry, every time in the manga it's been recorded of a new hokage, a vote was induced by ultimately the countries leader from the villages jonin like it always has been.

In the image below you'll notice kakashi says "they're" (If you think it magically turned into a democracy you're dead wrong by the way, Hashirama showed it was a vote based system and kakashi affirms it below)

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Here you'll see a scan showing kakashi stating Danzo is Hokage for the time being (meaning temporary as in line with his candidate status) but he also affirms that the jonin have not voted so that is why it's temporary.

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Here is danzo even saying he has to be voted in and that's why he's careful about his actions to Naruto.

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Here is ANBU reporting to the Jonin Commander (This dude he's in charge of every ninja in the village outside of the hokage and special forces) Shikaku Nara.

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The Meeting I keep talking about that must happen. Konoha was structured on democracy and always has remained that way.

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Here's the Fire Daiymo himself saying "I thought I would choose Jiraiya". Notice how the ninja only can make themselves be considered, the Fire Daiymo chooses who becomes hokage

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Here's the Jonin commander himself nominating Kakashi Hatake to be hokage. Notice how he can unilaterally make this decision. Notice how this whole meeting is one giant appeal to the fire daiymo about who is to be hokage.

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Notice how the Fire Daiymo states "Danzo you will be the 6th hokage" giving his approval. Notice how no one made that decision but the daiymo himself. This has and always will be a democratic process.

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You can keep spewing this trash of "Hashirama was the only hokage that was democratically elected" (Despite the fact that Danzo, Tsunade, Kakashi, and Naruto all were). Fact is you haven't provided not one single scan showing the entire village (being jonin and fire daiymo) accepting hiruzen as hokage without a vote, (what if his team conspired to kill the hokage and name hiruzen in his place, easy enough to do and with this anyone could target tobirama for his spot easily). You in fact cannot show me one single scan ever in your lifetime of the village (being jonin and fire daiymo) electing a hokage without a vote. Fact is there are no scans like that around. Only scans around showing the Hokage Inauguration process happening is through a collective committee being the Jonin and their Commander, The leader of the country, and the Elders of the village.

 

[WalksInShadows]

You don't understand the point of a ceremony or the impact it has on people. It's one thing to say yeah that Naruto guy is Hokage, it's another thing to say "I just witnessed the 7th hokage's inauguration and it was awesome. The hokage made shadow clones and greeted everyone of us and then made shadow clones that greeted every villager in every other country just for laughs!" That would be how you write an inauguration about the greatest ninja ever. Although that's just a hypothetical example I just made up, point is Naruto himself was not there and that will forever leave a stain on his legacy. It's literally a stain that can never be washed. His first hokage inauguration wasted.

The hokage/Ninja/Villagers can all say "we think X should be hokage". They said that about Naruto and still he had Danzo and Kakashi come before him. (Yes I'm aware Danzo was only candidate status but he was chosen nonetheless). It's not a one decision ordeal clearly. The entire process is chosen by the Fire Daiymo he must be present. The Fire Daiymo regardless of what person whoever they may be, ultimately decides. The jonin of the village also must vote as well. This isn't some communist China/Russia nonsense. Present a scan for the bold large text (to argue against it) because it looks like garbage compared to the manga we're arguing about called Naruto. Don't worry, every time in the manga it's been recorded of a new hokage, a vote was induced by ultimately the countries leader from the villages jonin like it always has been.

In the image below you'll notice kakashi says "they're" (If you think it magically turned into a democracy you're dead wrong by the way, Hashirama showed it was a vote based system and kakashi affirms it below)

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Here you'll see a scan showing kakashi stating Danzo is Hokage for the time being (meaning temporary as in line with his candidate status) but he also affirms that the jonin have not voted so that is why it's temporary.

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Here is danzo even saying he has to be voted in and that's why he's careful about his actions to Naruto.

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Here is ANBU reporting to the Jonin Commander (This dude he's in charge of every ninja in the village outside of the hokage and special forces) Shikaku Nara.

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The Meeting I keep talking about that must happen. Konoha was structured on democracy and always has remained that way.

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Here's the Fire Daiymo himself saying "I thought I would choose Jiraiya". Notice how the ninja only can make themselves be considered, the Fire Daiymo chooses who becomes hokage

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Here's the Jonin commander himself nominating Kakashi Hatake to be hokage. Notice how he can unilaterally make this decision. Notice how this whole meeting is one giant appeal to the fire daiymo about who is to be hokage.

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Notice how the Fire Daiymo states "Danzo you will be the 6th hokage" giving his approval. Notice how no one made that decision but the daiymo himself. This has and always will be a democratic process.

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You can keep spewing this trash of "Hashirama was the only hokage that was democratically elected" (Despite the fact that Danzo, Tsunade, Kakashi, and Naruto all were). Fact is you haven't provided not one single scan showing the entire village (being jonin and fire daiymo) accepting hiruzen as hokage without a vote, (what if his team conspired to kill the hokage and name hiruzen in his place, easy enough to do and with this anyone could target tobirama for his spot easily). You in fact cannot show me one single scan ever in your lifetime of the village (being jonin and fire daiymo) electing a hokage without a vote. Fact is there are no scans like that around. Only scans around showing the Hokage Inauguration process happening is through a collective committee being the Jonin and their Commander, The leader of the country, and the Elders of the village.

you've gone through a whole lot of trouble to prove absolutely nothing other than how much you want to continue whining about a ceremony that wasn't the least bit important in the end.

 

[Kirby1]

I really have a hard time considering the current manga canon. Some of us have been reading the manga since 03/04 and have been waiting for the day naruto finally becomes hokage, reflects on his journey with flashbacks, and the whole chapter is dedicated to that since that was quite literally the point of the series.

Instead we got a joke chapter about a five year old knocking out naruto even if it was meant as a joke.

Some people try to compare this to naruto punching minato but kishimoto didn't ruin the only point in the series that actually really mattered, naruto fulfilling his dream and becoming hokage.

Wish we lost kishi vs iwata. One didn't attempt to ruin what he built and the other actively pursues that objective.

Oh don't worry. I believe this stuff is just the tip of the iceberg. The novel and boruto movie hints a part 3. ;_;

It's still canon deal with it and just admit Naruto is shit now

That's not the point. He turned narutos inauguration of becoming hokage into a joke. His dream turned into a joke.



You obviously have a simple track mind. Gt was regarded widely as a bad series. Everyone else got it though so don't feel singled out.



Rather lose someone who screwed around with a popular manga then someone whose goal was to make others happy.

That's a terrible way of looking at it. Ends don't justify the means as they say.

I vote Unbiased to take over after Kishi.

Either that or we need to get the guy to start taking this seriously. He's alienating his fanbase when he makes dreams like this look stupid.

Anything after 698 is complete bs imo anyways

Look, I am just going to sum this whole thing up the best way possible! Personally like Drake said before me, the Naruto manga should have ended with Chapter 698 for a variety of reasons with one of which being that everything beyond that is virtually a nightmare.

I am going to exclude to pairings from this topic because I could honestly care less about them! The ONLY pairing in the entire series that makes legitimate sense is SkikaTema and the only one that sends a healthy and overall decent message to both genders if you really think about it!

Now that that is out of the way, here are the reasons why the series should have ended with chapter 698:

1. Ever since the Kaguya arc or more accurately the War Arc, the series for the most part has gone down hill, especially when it comes to the main characters which is my biggest problem with the series! The highlights of series beyond the war Arc being Madara who is probably one of the most well written characters in the series, the Naruto vs. Sasuke fight and Momoshinki who is another awesome villain and is better than the main characters.

2. If there was one saving grace when it comes to THE CHARACTERS of the Gaiden and the Boruto movie, (Fights were awesome btw, best since Part I and that's saying something!) It's Momoshinki, the best villain since Madara and Part I Orochimaru to appear! Unlike Kaguya, he is not only stronger, but has a personality. Shame he wasn't Kaguya's husband though, would have given more info on how Hagoromo and Hamura were even born lol. Him and Kurama, the only character out of the main cast that has not been truly bastardized to the core like the others such as Naruto and Sasuke (which I will get into later on). But that is the issue! The fact that those two are saving graces says something.

3. The main characters as they currently stand! Old generation! Now a lot of people believe that the story should have ended with Part I because of what I am about to say, but here we go and it's going to be lengthy.

Let's start with Naruto shall we? He was once an icon who appealed to the common man, one that achieved his goals through hard work and determination which was what Part I was all about. This all changed with the Itachi Pursuit Arc and later the War Arc when Naruto became a character who was no longer the underdog, but instead a descendant of the greatest heroes to walk to verse and even beyond that the reincarnation of one of these great heroes brought to bare in the mortal world. That being said, the only difference between Naruto and Ashura at that point was that one of them (Naruto) was more stupid!! That's it!

As for Sasuke! Originally he wanted revenge on his older brother Itachi for killing his clan and was jealous of Naruto for getting stronger. However, again in the Itachi Purtsuit Arc (the end of it that is) shows Itachi's character being retconned (argue all you want, but this is a retcon if I see one!) and Tobi (thought to be Madara at the time) brainwashing Sasuke, making him completely emo and wanting to destroy the village and later wanting a "revolution".

The Itachi Pursuit Arc one could argue is when the story completely went astray from what is was in Part I!

Sakura has development in the Kazekage Rescue Arc, but that all went out the window for the most part right after that! Which is sad considering she is one of the main cast.

Kakashi had minimal development in early Part II with his Mangekyo Sharingan, but that went out the window soon, it came back via the biggest retcon in Naruto history with Obito inhabiting his body when he was battling Kaguya, but that was about it.

There are many other characters that I could dive into with this one, such as Neji and Rock Lee.

One could argue based on what I said about Naruto that Neji in Part I was right about destiny, maybe not for Naruto's case entirely, but when it came to hard work like with Rock Lee, Neji was right about fate. Cause if you take a good hard look, you will see how Rock Lee was everything Part I of the series was about. The fact that he had one major fight and didn't win a single one after that is pretty sad..

It's not really the series that I have a major problem with as much the main characters who have been bastardized. Hence why I believe that Naruto should have ended with Part I, cause even tho the series was still enjoyable after that, it came at the cost of the main characters, especially Naruto being bastardized (especially with the child of prophecy BS).

If not Part I, then either the Pain Arc or chapter 698 with rather than Naruto and Sasuke's arm's being blown off, it should have just ended with Naruto winning and the both of them lying on the ground exhausted and Sasuke undoing the IT and performing the Rinne Tensei in the end. Any of that would have been better than what we have gotten beyond chapter 698.

As Drake pretty much pointed out before me, The fact is that Chapter 699, The Last: Naruto the Movie (aka 699.5), The three Naruto manga specials known as The Rest, The Day Naruto became Hokage, Road to B, Chapter 700-710 are ALL 16 chapters of set-up for Boruto: Naruto The Movie which was overall good, but had a lot more potential.

That pretty much sums it up! To the OP, given what has happened to the series, I believe that Naruto needs to be rebooted and done properly! Like Shaz said before me, I would definitely vote you or someone with your mentality as the writer of the series in all honesty!

 

[Unbiased]

you've gone through a whole lot of trouble to prove absolutely nothing other than how much you want to continue whining about a ceremony that wasn't the least bit important in the end.

Can't say anything constructive so you resort back to your "whining" nonsense when it's simply criticism. Why can't you handle criticism? It's part of growing up you know.

 

[Complex]

Kishi ruined this series

 

[Pukkake Pokayo]

Trollmoto gives you flashbacks when you don't want them and you just gotta deal with it XD

 

[Kirby1]

I really have a hard time considering the current manga canon. Some of us have been reading the manga since 03/04 and have been waiting for the day naruto finally becomes hokage, reflects on his journey with flashbacks, and the whole chapter is dedicated to that since that was quite literally the point of the series.

Instead we got a joke chapter about a five year old knocking out naruto even if it was meant as a joke.

Some people try to compare this to naruto punching minato but kishimoto didn't ruin the only point in the series that actually really mattered, naruto fulfilling his dream and becoming hokage.

Wish we lost kishi vs iwata. One didn't attempt to ruin what he built and the other actively pursues that objective.

Oh don't worry. I believe this stuff is just the tip of the iceberg. The novel and boruto movie hints a part 3. ;_;

It's still canon deal with it and just admit Naruto is shit now

That's not the point. He turned narutos inauguration of becoming hokage into a joke. His dream turned into a joke.



You obviously have a simple track mind. Gt was regarded widely as a bad series. Everyone else got it though so don't feel singled out.



Rather lose someone who screwed around with a popular manga then someone whose goal was to make others happy.

That's a terrible way of looking at it. Ends don't justify the means as they say.

I vote Unbiased to take over after Kishi.

Either that or we need to get the guy to start taking this seriously. He's alienating his fanbase when he makes dreams like this look stupid.

Anything after 698 is complete bs imo anyways

Trollmoto gives you flashbacks when you don't want them and you just gotta deal with it XD

Unfortunately!

Kishi ruined this series

Without a doubt. Hence why it needs to be rebooted!