[[Mature Only]] SO6P and Hashirama discussion

[KingHashirama]

Before I start this, I want to make clear this: I'm not saying Hashirama is stronger then SO6P or vice-versa.

This thought has been in my head for a quiet a while sometime. As we know Hashirama like the SO6P was a special fellow who got the Mokuton..unlike the SO6P who got the rinnegan. Now, here is what I'm really trying to get at.. these 2 might just be in their own level together.

SO6P: same body as Hashirama's, Rinnegan , (Of course he becomes the jinchuriki and all )

Hashirama: same body as the Sage's , Mokuton , (Doesn't choose/ no need to be the jinchuriki of anything.)

[U]Now by seeing that, the rinnegan has showed the ability to imprison a Tailed -beast:[/U]

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And Mokuton has done the same:

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So in that aspect they are equals.

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Next comes the Sage's knowledge.. well we really don't know much about that.. but one thing is sure he could make chakra into living things..But if Hashirama can do the same is unknown. So he kind of has the advantage there. But Hashirama's scroll of seal is said to contain FORBIDDEN jutsus.. soo its just like the mystery of the Sage.

The Sage however did not posses Medical ninjutsu abilities.. while Hashirama did.. So again, hes outside that "Senju+Uchiha= SO6P".

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Now moving on to comparing the mokuton and Rinnegan again:

Mokuton supposedly can supress the Juubi..... Rinnegan can do that to...
Mokuton is a whole place changer.. Rinnegan is to
Mokuton contains many ninjutsus in it Rinnegan does to
Mokuton can suck away chakra .. Rinnegan can to..

So as far as the fighting abilities are concerned , I would say Mokuton = Rinnegan. Just depends on how you use it.

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Before you guys take this the wrong way.. I'm only stating how they are "special" in their own rights.

SO6P : Creator of the shinobi Sect
Hashirama : Creator of the Shinobi system (current)
Naruto : The final deal.


So leave your thoughts and discuss if you agree or not. I will be happy to put up picture proofs and etc. I just didn't do those because I didn't want to make the OP really big. BUT DO YOU AGREE WITH ME OR NOT? IF NOT.. EXPLAIN.

 

[BlackDude]

What about the sharingan ?

 

[Yusuke Urameshi]

You have alot of speculations and assumptions rather than proof.

 

[KingHashirama]

What about the sharingan ?

So far no clue if he had it or not. But i guess in the evolution since he probably did.. Or he could've been born with the rinnegan

You have alot of speculations and assumptions rather than proof.

Naming the assumptions is better. And also, we have no idea of their true powers in the show.. so can't say anything buddy. And this is a discussion if you feel the same way or you don't think they are in their own leagues or w.e.

 

[rollin]

the sage did predict that some day the juubi will be back, it could be considered smart
and the sage passed down the seal that makes you the juubi of the jinchuuriki
i think the forbidden seal of scrolls has that seal and that's how hashi controlled the bijuus easily

 

[abcplay57]

Rinnegan has so much more to it than mokuton. I don't agree with your post, but mokuton is near the level of Rinnegan, ability speaking.

 

[KingHashirama]

the sage did predict that some day the juubi will be back, it could be considered smart
and the sage passed down the seal that makes you the juubi of the jinchuuriki
i think the forbidden seal of scrolls has that seal and that's how hashi controlled the bijuus easily

Well in that aspect the first hokage did say "whenever you live there will be war". So he did predict war. But yea argubly it might be in the Seal of scrolls.. but its known he did through mokuton..

Rinnegan has so much more to it than mokuton. I don't agree with your post, but mokuton is near the level of Rinnegan, ability speaking.

Like i said man it depends on the User.

Shinra tensei, Chibaku tensei and many others can be countered with Mokuton.

 

[Kages]

I might get flamed for this, but the first four Hokages are on so6p level. I agree. Tsunade would be if she specialized in other things

 

[KingHashirama]

I might get flamed for this, but the first four Hokages are on so6p level. I agree. Tsunade would be if she specialized in other things

Nooooo. Why would you even say that?

 

[rollin]

Well in that aspect the first hokage did say "whenever you live there will be war". So he did predict war. But yea argubly it might be in the Seal of scrolls.. but its known he did through mokuton..



Like i said man it depends on the User.

Shinra tensei, Chibaku tensei and many others can be countered with Mokuton.

well his mokuton has life-force in it because it said his chakra is the root of the mokuton's life-force

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the yang chakra changed naruto's seal and it reacted to life-force in mokuton

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and the more life-force naruto got the stronger his seal got
it might be life-force in the necklace had that made yamato control the jinchuuriki

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so maybe it was life-force that made the seal attacks stronger but hashi added his mokuton release
tobi controlled the bijuus with chakra chains and the right arm which is replaced with zetsu

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it could be this same technique but with mokuton release

 

[Kages]

Nooooo. Why would you even say that?

Well, he hasn't shown like barely any feats. He has more hype than Hashi and Hiruzen combined, so once we see what he can actually do, then I guess I'll know.

 

[Anakin Skywalker]

you are forgetting a lot of rinnegan tech

Human Path -> suck out a human's soul
Naraka Path -> Bring back the dead
Animal Path -> summon OP animals as summon i.e a bull , multi headed dog , bird ,a f**kin panda ....... almost everyone else in narutoverse can only summon one type of animal ....

so Rinnegan > Mokuton any day

 

[u wanna die]

its a long read but it was informative.. i think its cool how you compare them nice

 

[KingHashirama]

well his mokuton has life-force in it because it said his chakra is the root of the mokuton's life-force

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the yang chakra changed naruto's seal and it reacted to life-force in mokuton

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and the more life-force naruto got the stronger his seal got
it might be life-force in the necklace had that made yamato control the jinchuuriki

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so maybe it was life-force that made the seal attacks stronger but hashi added his mokuton release
tobi controlled the bijuus with chakra chains and the right arm which is replaced with zetsu

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it could be this same technique but with mokuton release

Possibly. It could basically be replacing the use of Rinnegan to the use of Mokuton maybe.

you are forgetting a lot of rinnegan tech

Human Path -> suck out a human's soul
Naraka Path -> Bring back the dead
Animal Path -> summon OP animals as summon i.e a bull , multi headed dog , bird ,a f**kin panda ....... almost everyone else in narutoverse can only summon one type of animal ....

so Rinnegan > Mokuton any day

Animal summon... don't know if they existed back during the Sage's time... Also, I said battle wise.
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its a long read but it was informative.. i think its cool how you compare them nice

thank you thank you. I ain't the king for just show you know.

 

[cptenn94]

i can agree with mokuton= rinnegan

but not mokuton=sage of six paths in any way....simple what it greatly strained nagato to make, the sage did x100 on his deathbed(and presumeably without any juubi chakra, since he had to seal the juubi in the moon, as he imprisoned its body

so basically at the weakest point in his life he made something more than a 100 times larger than any known chibuka tensei...

i simply wanted to stress there is no compareing sage powers with anyone else, in the naruto verse.....sage=goku(not power level, but compared to other characters)

hashi is a complete beast, and yes his mokuton is similar to rinnegan, in what it can do, just not sage

 

[Waltz]

This thread is mostly assumption and little fact.

How does Hashirama stand up to things like nakara and asura path? The sharingan. And its techniques. Lets not forget. Creation of all things.
Hashirama isn't anywhere as strong as the sage.

 

[KingHashirama]

i can agree with mokuton= rinnegan

but not mokuton=sage of six paths in any way....simple what it greatly strained nagato to make, the sage did x100 on his deathbed(and presumeably without any juubi chakra, since he had to seal the juubi in the moon, as he imprisoned its body

so basically at the weakest point in his life he made something more than a 100 times larger than any known chibuka tensei...

i simply wanted to stress there is no compareing sage powers with anyone else, in the naruto verse.....sage=goku(not power level, but compared to other characters)

hashi is a complete beast, and yes his mokuton is similar to rinnegan, in what it can do, just not sage

See the thing with the moon is that he also had ENORMOUS amounts of chakra at his disposal due to the tailed beasts. He still had the juubi chakra.. Sage and Goku don't match quite right.

Also, if Mokuton = Rinnegan
The only difference between them is the Chakra of the juubi.

This thread is all assumption and no fact.

How does Hashirama stand up to things like nakara and asura path? The sharingan. And its techniques. Lets not forget. Creation of all things.
Hashirama isn't anywhere as strong as the sage.

The sharingan.. Sage having the Sharingan is still a assumption. Creation of all things.. already gave that to the Sage.
And I compared them battle wise..

And again never said who was stronger.. comparing how they are similar.

 

[Black Adam]

Is it possible that The Juubi, The Sage, and The First are all somehow the same being? sort of a holy trinity in the world of Naruto...

 

[SoulKiller]

Wtf did I just read the so6p does not have healing skills lol he is the created of all ninjutsu he have 10 x better healing skills than hashi and secondly so6p body is way stronger and the so6p is in a whole new level than hashi te so6p soloed the perfect juubi that means that the so6p have godlike skills but hashi the first form of the juubi rapes hashi no diff don't compare a legend like the so6p to hashi who is a fodder compared to the so6p

 

[PretaPath]

Mokuton contains many ninjutsus in it Rinnegan does to

Wtf did I just read? Not surprising coming from a fanboy.