[Discussion] Mastering gear 4th

[-Akuma-]

Yeah law did do some of the work for luffy but it doesn't take away that the battle didn't look to be in doffys favor at almost any point while luffy was in g4 yes he kept him at bay and yes he tagged him once or twice but if you do that to me but im only a hit from knocking you unconscious and we are at the same level? Im not sure

It didn't look in Doffy's favor due to his bad injures, Doffy kept up with him and tagged him during that which showed me Lufy couldn't outclass him while in a shit state. I don't know where you're getting one hit from because Luffy hit him with like 4 moves before he dropped. Fresh DD vs Fresh Luffy equates to Luffy losing.

 

[Uchiha boii]

That shit don't exist so

Lol but isn't this thread about IF he had it

 

[-Akuma-]

Yeah, 1 vs 1, or even just those two vs Doffy, they'd have been killed in all likelihood

Yup, I don't see how either would win.

 

[Uchiha boii]

It didn't look in Doffy's favor due to his bad injures, Doffy kept up with him and tagged him during that which showed me Lufy couldn't outclass him while in a shit state. I don't know where you're getting one hit from because Luffy hit him with like 4 moves before he dropped. Fresh DD vs Fresh Luffy equates to Luffy losing.

I got one hit from the page where luffy himself states he needs one more punch then g4 ends ill look for the page
Yea fresh luffy vs fresh doffy is luffys loss i agree 100% but with unlimited g4 i think he takes doffy because he was winning the fight while g4 was active yu may say it was the gamma knife and i agree it helped but luffy still outclsssed him while g4 was active to say doffy would do alot better because of no injuries isn't false but i still cant see him doing anything g4 cant tank

 

[Uchiha boii]

It didn't look in Doffy's favor due to his bad injures, Doffy kept up with him and tagged him during that which showed me Lufy couldn't outclass him while in a shit state. I don't know where you're getting one hit from because Luffy hit him with like 4 moves before he dropped. Fresh DD vs Fresh Luffy equates to Luffy losing.

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Had this been godsled gun doffy would have went down here i dont have any doubts in my head

 

[-Akuma-]

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Had this been godsled gun doffy would have went down here i dont have any doubts in my head

That's literally after he'd taken the whole first assault and the next attack that hit him after put him down. Nothing changed even if he used it there.

 

[Uchiha boii]

That's literally after he'd taken the whole first assault and the next attack that hit him after put him down. Nothing changed even if he used it there.

Thats what i was referring to im not sure if I worded it wrongly but i meant doffy would have been beaten in the next panel had g4 not ran out

 

[Bogard]

In my opinion G4 is admiral level. It can't be unlimited though because it depends on haki and haki will always have a limit unless Oda find a way for Luffy either to use G4 without haki(with his awakening?) or increases in haki quantity so enormously that it becomes barely visible in combat

Unilimtied G4 Luffy isn't Yonko tier, not even close. He would be DD tier.

G4 is a level or 2 above DD. It completely shitted on him and no don't even bother talking about his conditions. It still alone doesn't explain his pitful performance against it especially since Luffy himself wasn't at full power

 

[I See You]

In my opinion G4 is admiral level. It can't be unlimited though because it depends on haki and haki will always have a limit unless Oda find a way for Luffy either to use G4 without haki(with his awakening?) or increases in haki quantity so enormously that it becomes barely visible in combat

G4 is a level or 2 above DD. It completely shitted on him and no don't even bother talking about his conditions. It still alone doesn't explain his pitful performance against it especially since Luffy himself wasn't at full power

True luffy beat him and it was 2 vs 1 until Trebol commited suicide, so it's not like Doflamingo was fighting by himself against Law and Luffy.

 

[chopstickchakra]

Ok so throughout the series luffy has been mastering his gears at first gear second made him extremely tired now he does it with ease gear third made him shirnk to a midget size now that no longer happens so what im saying is if luffy effectively ends gear 4ths time limit how OP is he at that point i dont see many characters standing up from 2 godsled guns period and if luffy gets an even better finisher after mastering gear 4th which he almost always does then i see him yonoko level at that point so what do you guys think? How strong is luffy if he ends gear 4ths time limit and can use it as he pleases

Godsled was Doflamingo's attack not Luffy's.

 

[-ahhimane-]

Imagine G4 King Kong Machine Gun XD (the original version gattling gun)

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

Not underestimating its potential a bit? Luffy always gets better with the gears and this was its first showing and doflamingo was getting raped by gear 4th luffy with unlimited g4 beats doflamingo rather easily if we go by what was shown

It took 2 year 4ths to bring down an injured doffy struggling to keep his organs together .. I think the above statement is true....

 

[Punk Hazard]

In my opinion G4 is admiral level. It can't be unlimited though because it depends on haki and haki will always have a limit unless Oda find a way for Luffy either to use G4 without haki(with his awakening?) or increases in haki quantity so enormously that it becomes barely visible in combat

G4 is a level or 2 above DD. It completely shitted on him and no don't even bother talking about his conditions. It still alone doesn't explain his pitful performance against it especially since Luffy himself wasn't at full power

Luffy wasn't at full power? Any gap in between a full-powered Luffy and the Luffy that fought Doffy is insignificant, especially when compared to the gap between full Doffy and Doffy during that fight.

You can't go "Doflamingo performed poorly" and then in the same breath say "But let's ignore the specific condition that caused that." Regardless of if you liked it or not, Doflamingo's condition stopped us from seeing what Doflamingo can do at his very best. This would be like me saying Squard could get a good drop on Prime Whitebeard because don't even bother talking about Whitebeard's conditions/illness.

 

[ssjelf]

Luffy wasn't at full power? Any gap in between a full-powered Luffy and the Luffy that fought Doffy is insignificant, especially when compared to the gap between full Doffy and Doffy during that fight.

You can't go "Doflamingo performed poorly" and then in the same breath say "But let's ignore the specific condition that caused that." Regardless of if you liked it or not, Doflamingo's condition stopped us from seeing what Doflamingo can do at his very best. This would be like me saying Squard could get a good drop on Prime Whitebeard because don't even bother talking about Whitebeard's conditions/illness.

I still think law and luffy 2v1 vs doffy would be in favor of luffy and law. Consider that law was fighting trebol and doffy by himself and was severely injured at that times which led him to be taken out of the fight prematurely. I think G4 is equal to doffy going all out and if you add law, the results I think would be similar, I mean law himself could hold doffy off for ten minutes if he hadn't been so tired so if ever luffy ran out of g4 law could step in or they could fight at the same time which I don't think doffy could handle very well (gamma knife), I mean as it stands he couldn't handle g2 luffy and law even with the help of trebol. (Yeah law got taken out of the fight but that was after already having lost an arm)

 

[OG sama]

Some of these comments make no sense, we haven't even seen a mastered G4 but people are only putting him on Doflamingos tier? Limited G4 was whooping DDs ass. If he can use it as long as he wants he would be above Doflamingo, not only that but taking into consideration that he will have even stronger attacks later makes him even more above him.

By the time G4 is mastered, he will have much greater Haki and as a result the mode will be even more powerful than it was on DR.

Also anyone who thinks Doflamingo can take both Luffy and Law 2v1 should slap themselves. Every time those two did a collaborative attack he never could even react. Take Trebol and Bellamy out and Doflamingo would have been defeated without G4.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Luffy wasn't at full power? Any gap in between a full-powered Luffy and the Luffy that fought Doffy is insignificant, especially when compared to the gap between full Doffy and Doffy during that fight.

You can't go "Doflamingo performed poorly" and then in the same breath say "But let's ignore the specific condition that caused that." Regardless of if you liked it or not, Doflamingo's condition stopped us from seeing what Doflamingo can do at his very best. This would be like me saying Squard could get a good drop on Prime Whitebeard because don't even bother talking about Whitebeard's conditions/illness.

Doflamingo even said that Luffy took quite a bit of damage from Bellamy. Why can't you just admit that Doflamingo wasn't the only one at 100% ?

 

[-Akuma-]

In my opinion G4 is admiral level. It can't be unlimited though because it depends on haki and haki will always have a limit unless Oda find a way for Luffy either to use G4 without haki(with his awakening?) or increases in haki quantity so enormously that it becomes barely visible in combat

G4 is a level or 2 above DD. It completely shitted on him and no don't even bother talking about his conditions. It still alone doesn't explain his pitful performance against it especially since Luffy himself wasn't at full power

A level or 2? Please miss me with that. DD still kept up with Luffy and his condition is a big big factor, having yours organs being torn apart and them being kept together with strings it big. Wayy worse than any injury rthe likes of let's say Zoro has had, DD put on a decent fight against Luffy despite being badly injured and still took one of his onslaughts. Luffy condition was not as nearly as bad as DD's not even comparable.

 

[-Akuma-]

Some of these comments make no sense, we haven't even seen a mastered G4 but people are only putting him on Doflamingos tier? Limited G4 was whooping DDs ass. If he can use it as long as he wants he would be above Doflamingo, not only that but taking into consideration that he will have even stronger attacks later makes him even more above him.

By the time G4 is mastered, he will have much greater Haki and as a result the mode will be even more powerful than it was on DR.

Also anyone who thinks Doflamingo can take both Luffy and Law 2v1 should slap themselves. Every time those two did a collaborative attack he never could even react. Take Trebol and Bellamy out and Doflamingo would have been defeated without G4.

Only time a collab attacked worked was because DD never expected it. Law said after teh first time it wouldn't work again and the only time it worked afterwards was because DD thought Law was dead.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Some of these comments make no sense, we haven't even seen a mastered G4 but people are only putting him on Doflamingos tier? Limited G4 was whooping DDs ass. If he can use it as long as he wants he would be above Doflamingo, not only that but taking into consideration that he will have even stronger attacks later makes him even more above him.

By the time G4 is mastered, he will have much greater Haki and as a result the mode will be even more powerful than it was on DR.

Also anyone who thinks Doflamingo can take both Luffy and Law 2v1 should slap themselves. Every time those two did a collaborative attack he never could even react. Take Trebol and Bellamy out and Doflamingo would have been defeated without G4.

This is where the hypocrisy peaks. How can we say G4 is only on Doffy's level, but then you say it's above Doffy because it beat a severely weakened Doffy(it even failed to actually beat him).

Only time a collab attacked worked was because DD never expected it. Law said after teh first time it wouldn't work again and the only time it worked afterwards was because DD thought Law was dead.

Not to mention Law can just end up controlled and used as a meat shield.

 

[OG sama]

This is where the hypocrisy peaks. How can we say G4 is only on Doffy's level, but then you say it's above Doffy because it beat a severely weakened Doffy(it even failed to actually beat him).



Not to mention Law can just end up controlled and used as a meat shield.

You already know what im going to say next, and me and you argue this over and over. I don't believe Doffys strings got weaker because Doffys organs got damaged, I also dont believe just because Doffy managed to outmaneuver one attack from G4 whilst being injured he's >G4, infact this same logic can be used against Healthy Doffy as Luffy managed to outmaneuver white break.

If Mingo is getting his ass whooped throughout G4s whole duration, and not even doing significant damage then he is <G4. I can't believe people would even argue against a hypothetical mastered G4 being >Doflamingo, its obvious, when the reason he would have lost alone was because the Gear isn't mastered. Its limited, with better stats than Doflamingo he is stronger. And by the time its mastered, every one knows Luffy will be stronger, as not only will it last longer but his Haki by that time should be better as well.