Hori
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I dunno whether the thread was created about this before but I checked and founded no thread as such. So I came up with an analysis actually all credit goes to Cascade who gave much input so guys here is my analysis:
- Those members of the world government and the world nobles who are greedy some-*****es do not care for justice. they are most likely members of the overthrowing society that do not care for the proper way of the world but rather for their own greed and power within the world. its easy to grasp that they are selfish annoying people from about saboady acheapelo, but i personally believe that they do not regard or act properly to a moral code of justice!
- Further we must note that those individuals of the Marines DO IN FACT act to a moral code.
- Akainu acts upon basic instincts of government justice - it does not matter who the individual is, if they are a pirate they mst suffer and die simply for the fact that they do not fit the moral code of the WG
- Kizaru simply acts on behalf of the gov and their wishes, thats why he mocks the individuals who he fights, he does not really care for the moral justice of the Wg but simply acts as he must as an admiral and believes he deserves the power he has received - it is important to note that zyphr highlighted his reliance upon his DF --> his fight with Rayleigh highlights that he is not as powerful without that DF and that he will most likely suffer a pretty easy defeat later on
i personally believe that kizaru will lose to BB if he can get his hands on him --> no DF power = easy defeat
OR --> luffy's speed will now keep up with kizaru (speed of light is exadurated within the series, he cant move at that speed but rather teleports moving individuals particles of his body at that speed.--> slower than luffy in G2 and luffy's arnemant haki will easily hit him.
(keep in mind he is no pushover, but his reliance upon his pikapika no mi will be his downfall 0 just as Z stated.
Kuzan follows a lazy sens eof justice which im sure ur all aware of. he doesnt even follow the government's justice / law to a tee, he is probably the most just of all the admirals (surprisingly as he is lazy --> doesnt fit his stereotype)
He looks at the situation from his own perspective rather than following the gov ideals blindly
This is why he left robin alive when he could have easily defeated her and the OP crew --> and why he plays as a mediator between the gov and pirates after his fight with akainu and his role in film Z.
he even states (and this is cannon btw) that you see another side of the world once you stop looking at it from a marine perspective ie: after investigating the underworld of OP he understands that things arent as black and white --> his lazy moral code was correct in the first place.
so then in relation to the WG --> the WG and its officials are NOT the marines. Each individual marine has their own sense of justice. AND just because the WG deems something, does NOT mean the marines follow blindly --> garp vs luffy during marineford (bias by ace)
As ive previously stated, kizaru is one individual who follows the WG rules.BUT --> ONLY in order to make them happy.
i believe that those of higher marine rank use their own judgement and for the most part realise that those powers that be (gov officials (old dudes + the pompous dragon dudes)) demand certain criteria, and the marines must follows the criteria even if they do not agree.
The whole marine justice system is based off to main factors.
1. - Greed and sanctuary --> the idea that if an individual climbs the social ladder of the marines they will inevitably gain enough social and political power to avoid confrontation all together and be able to live comfortably within the higher interior. (see filler arc after skypia --> marine base inspector - see Arlong park 'cat' marine taking bribes) --> spandam
These individuals use thier power to avoid confrontation not actually owning any of their own power.
2. Moral sense of justice and representation of a true 'ethical' code
--> garp --> coby --> kuzan
These individuals are those most likely joined the marines because they believed that the marines represented justice and ethical treatment of people (which unfortunately is just not true)
Its disappointing that the marines are merely tools of the WG to achieve unjust acts under a pretense of a moral or ethical code (see smoker gaining promotion after luffy defeats crocodile --> alabasta)
There are then those who most likely have a sense of justice but follow he WG due to politics
--> songoku --> kizaru -->etc etc etc
There are also those such as akainu who probably have their own vendettas' against pirates as whole, refusing to look into individual cases such as the Straw hat pirates
Only 2 main types but subcategories that exist merely because the WG represents itself as just when it acts as if its not.
So discuss guys what are your thought regarding the WG and its dark justice?
- Those members of the world government and the world nobles who are greedy some-*****es do not care for justice. they are most likely members of the overthrowing society that do not care for the proper way of the world but rather for their own greed and power within the world. its easy to grasp that they are selfish annoying people from about saboady acheapelo, but i personally believe that they do not regard or act properly to a moral code of justice!
- Further we must note that those individuals of the Marines DO IN FACT act to a moral code.
- Akainu acts upon basic instincts of government justice - it does not matter who the individual is, if they are a pirate they mst suffer and die simply for the fact that they do not fit the moral code of the WG
- Kizaru simply acts on behalf of the gov and their wishes, thats why he mocks the individuals who he fights, he does not really care for the moral justice of the Wg but simply acts as he must as an admiral and believes he deserves the power he has received - it is important to note that zyphr highlighted his reliance upon his DF --> his fight with Rayleigh highlights that he is not as powerful without that DF and that he will most likely suffer a pretty easy defeat later on
i personally believe that kizaru will lose to BB if he can get his hands on him --> no DF power = easy defeat
OR --> luffy's speed will now keep up with kizaru (speed of light is exadurated within the series, he cant move at that speed but rather teleports moving individuals particles of his body at that speed.--> slower than luffy in G2 and luffy's arnemant haki will easily hit him.
(keep in mind he is no pushover, but his reliance upon his pikapika no mi will be his downfall 0 just as Z stated.
Kuzan follows a lazy sens eof justice which im sure ur all aware of. he doesnt even follow the government's justice / law to a tee, he is probably the most just of all the admirals (surprisingly as he is lazy --> doesnt fit his stereotype)
He looks at the situation from his own perspective rather than following the gov ideals blindly
This is why he left robin alive when he could have easily defeated her and the OP crew --> and why he plays as a mediator between the gov and pirates after his fight with akainu and his role in film Z.
he even states (and this is cannon btw) that you see another side of the world once you stop looking at it from a marine perspective ie: after investigating the underworld of OP he understands that things arent as black and white --> his lazy moral code was correct in the first place.
so then in relation to the WG --> the WG and its officials are NOT the marines. Each individual marine has their own sense of justice. AND just because the WG deems something, does NOT mean the marines follow blindly --> garp vs luffy during marineford (bias by ace)
As ive previously stated, kizaru is one individual who follows the WG rules.BUT --> ONLY in order to make them happy.
i believe that those of higher marine rank use their own judgement and for the most part realise that those powers that be (gov officials (old dudes + the pompous dragon dudes)) demand certain criteria, and the marines must follows the criteria even if they do not agree.
The whole marine justice system is based off to main factors.
1. - Greed and sanctuary --> the idea that if an individual climbs the social ladder of the marines they will inevitably gain enough social and political power to avoid confrontation all together and be able to live comfortably within the higher interior. (see filler arc after skypia --> marine base inspector - see Arlong park 'cat' marine taking bribes) --> spandam
These individuals use thier power to avoid confrontation not actually owning any of their own power.
2. Moral sense of justice and representation of a true 'ethical' code
--> garp --> coby --> kuzan
These individuals are those most likely joined the marines because they believed that the marines represented justice and ethical treatment of people (which unfortunately is just not true)
Its disappointing that the marines are merely tools of the WG to achieve unjust acts under a pretense of a moral or ethical code (see smoker gaining promotion after luffy defeats crocodile --> alabasta)
There are then those who most likely have a sense of justice but follow he WG due to politics
--> songoku --> kizaru -->etc etc etc
There are also those such as akainu who probably have their own vendettas' against pirates as whole, refusing to look into individual cases such as the Straw hat pirates
Only 2 main types but subcategories that exist merely because the WG represents itself as just when it acts as if its not.
So discuss guys what are your thought regarding the WG and its dark justice?
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how depressing
