Many People keep Saying BM Minato>EMS Madara are Wrong

[lanakui8]

Piercing force>Blunt. Hashirama using more chakra than Madara? Do you have proof of any of this false shit your claiming?

The laserʻs entire AoE was the size of a bijuu. The shockwaveʻs AoE encompasses a far greater area as itʻs wider than a bijuu and the arc of the swing is at least as tall as PS. The laser is therefore a far more piercing attack than the PS slash, yet it still only eliminated 6 of the tails.

Plus, just typing "piercing > blunt" means absolutely nothing unless you believe that ALL piercing attacks > ALL blunt attacks. and therefore youʻd have to believe that a kunai thrown > the juubiʻs bijuudama because one is a piercing attack and one is a blunt attack.

I donʻt have a burden of proof to show hashirama used more chakra than madaraʻs. YOU have the burden of proof to show that Hashirama used THE SAME AMOUNT of chakra that madara did since you are the one whoʻs attempting to use that as positive evidence for your argument. So unless you fulfill that burden of proof, your arguments are worthless.

 

[Gold Lightning]

@Kifflom Hashirama stated he has the same amount chakra as the Kyuubi here.(

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). And he was talking about full Kyuubi. Both Madara and Hashirama fought and they both were completely drained around the same time.

Hashirama drained himself using all of his own power.

Madara fought with the ninetails and still tired out the same time as Hashirama.

Their chakra isn't equal. If Madara fought Hashirama without Kurama when eh were alive, the fight would've been so one sided.

 

[DemonicAvenger]

Your the Naruto/Kurama fanboy version of Dimitri anything that has to do with Naruto or Kurama your completely bias so please refrain from posting on this thread.

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Any proof to back this up they both were clearly drained toward the end. Not to mention Hashirama was talking about both of there Kurama which means he was comparing his chakra to full Kurama and not 1 half.

Hashirama is not madara, i think you need to get that straight first
secondly it could be very possible that the jutsus that hashirama used consume much more chakra then madaras
in the VOTE fight, Hashirama used SS to combat the PS and Kyuubi,
While madara used genjutsu to control the kyuubi,, the TBB formed by the kyuubi were still taking the kyuubis chakra not madaras,

hashirama on the other hand used the SS (which would take far more chakra then PS), in conjunction with the mokujin (thats comparable in size to PS),, and used the kakuan nettei to put the kyuubi to sleep,
all of this was taking hashirams chakra,

its cleear that hashiramas chakra reserves are higher than madaras

 

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The laserʻs entire AoE was the size of a bijuu. The shockwaveʻs AoE encompasses a far greater area as itʻs wider than a bijuu and the arc of the swing is at least as tall as PS. The laser is therefore a far more piercing attack than the PS slash, yet it still only eliminated 6 of the tails.

Plus, just typing "piercing > blunt" means absolutely nothing unless you believe that ALL piercing attacks > ALL blunt attacks. and therefore youʻd have to believe that a kunai thrown > the juubiʻs bijuudama because one is a piercing attack and one is a blunt attack.

I donʻt have a burden of proof to show hashirama used more chakra than madaraʻs. YOU have the burden of proof to show that Hashirama used THE SAME AMOUNT of chakra that madara did since you are the one whoʻs attempting to use that as positive evidence for your argument. So unless you fulfill that burden of proof, your arguments are worthless.

Don't be silly. The Juubi lazer was clearly blunt force seeing as it caused the Bijuudama's to explode instead of cutting them through them like Madara Ps blade did. Even in this scan you can see it exploded by dust clounds.(

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).Your the one saying he didn't use the same amount of chakra. Also Madara used chakra to regenerate his susanoo sword multiple times mind you his Susanoo blade isn't far from the size of the perfect susanoo it's self.(

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). With that being said He was constantly regeneration a structure on this size with pure chakra. Sasuke also confirmed that Susanoo takes large amounts of chakra now imagine if Sasuke Susanoo was the size of Madara's ps blade and he constantly got it destroyed and then re-made it it would drain him pretty quick.

Hashirama drained himself using all of his own power.

Madara fought with the ninetails and still tired out the same time as Hashirama.

Their chakra isn't equal. If Madara fought Hashirama without Kurama when eh were alive, the fight would've been so one sided.

Also Madara used chakra to regenerate his susanoo sword multiple times mind you his Susanoo blade isn't far from the size of the perfect susanoo it's self.(

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). With that being said He was constantly regeneration a structure on this size with pure chakra. Sasuke also confirmed that Susanoo takes large amounts of chakra now imagine if Sasuke Susanoo was the size of Madara's ps blade and he constantly got it destroyed and then re-made it it would drain him pretty quick. Your right the battle would have been one sided but not chakra wise firepower wise.

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Stay away you troll. lol

Hashirama is not madara, i think you need to get that straight first
secondly it could be very possible that the jutsus that hashirama used consume much more chakra then madaras
in the VOTE fight, Hashirama used SS to combat the PS and Kyuubi,
While madara used genjutsu to control the kyuubi,, the TBB formed by the kyuubi were still taking the kyuubis chakra not madaras,

hashirama on the other hand used the SS (which would take far more chakra then PS), in conjunction with the mokujin (thats comparable in size to PS),, and used the kakuan nettei to put the kyuubi to sleep,
all of this was taking hashirams chakra,

its cleear that hashiramas chakra reserves are higher than madaras

As i've stated above how Madara was constantly using his chakra as well as Hashirama. Regardless of the fact of the matter is this. If they can both can go a full out battle using there strongest abilities for a certain amount of time means that yes there chakra is near each other.

Hashirama was talking about full kurama anyways. Minato would only have half of Kurama's full chakra.

 

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As i've stated above how Madara was constantly using his chakra as well as Hashirama. Regardless of the fact of the matter is this. If they can both can go a full out battle using there strongest abilities for a certain amount of time means that yes there chakra is near each other.

Hashirama was talking about full kurama anyways. Minato would only have half of Kurama's full chakra.

And again, you need to understand that using something as large as SS in conjunction with mokujin takes alot more chakra then using genjutsu and PS,
madara and hashirama tiring out at the same time means nothing when hashiraam used much more chakra throughout the fight

i dont see why bring up minato, when we are comparing madara and hashiramas reserves,

 

[DemonicAvenger]

Stay away you troll. lol

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[lanakui8]

Don't be silly. The Juubi lazer was clearly blunt force seeing as it caused the Bijuudama's to explode instead of cutting them through them like Madara Ps blade did. Even in this scan you can see it exploded by dust clounds.(

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by that same logic, the PS slash is blunt force as well as it didnʻt cut through the meteor, it literally blew it up. Not only that, but weʻre not comparing the juubiʻs laser to a direct hit from the PS blade, weʻre comparing a bijuu laser to a PS shockwave, and the laser is focused on the AoE of a bijuu. It did not explode when it hit Naruto, it hit him as a laser and was stopped by his cloak.

Next, the juubiʻs laserʻs AoE is the size of a bijuu, so obviously itʻs not going to cut a bijuudama in half when the bijuudama is even smaller than itself.

Then we can literally look at how much penetrating power both have done on panel. The juubiʻs laser has gone through multiple bijuudamas without losing power, each one capable of vaporizing a mountain. It also went right through an entire mountain range the second time it was used. The furthest MAdaraʻs PS slash has ever penetrated was through the meteor and the top half of a mountain. his other PS slash he used at VoTe only had enough penetrating power to go through a single mountain and a mokuton arm.

overpowering multiple bijuudamas >>>>>> being stated to be on par with 1 bijuudama.
penetrating through an entire mountain range >>>>>> penetrating through a meteor thatʻs smaller than PS and a mountain.

So nope, if you are comparing the PS shockwave to the juubiʻs laser, the laser is a far FAR more penetrative attack as it inflicts its power on a far smaller AoE. So we have an attack thatʻs not only a far more piercing attack than a PS shockwave, but itʻs a far more powerful attack than a PS shockwave and it only takes away 6 of narutoʻs 9 tails. Thereʻs no way PS shockwaves are going to do significant damage to BM Minatoʻs avatar. Only direct hits with the PS sword will accomplish that.

Your the one saying he didn't use the same amount of chakra. Also Madara used chakra to regenerate his susanoo sword multiple times mind you his Susanoo blade isn't far from the size of the perfect susanoo it's self.(

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). With that being said He was constantly regeneration a structure on this size with pure chakra. Sasuke also confirmed that Susanoo takes large amounts of chakra now imagine if Sasuke Susanoo was the size of Madara's ps blade and he constantly got it destroyed and then re-made it it would drain him pretty quick.

Nope, youʻre the one who brought up VoTe as some kind of positive evidence for Madara = SM Hashiramaʻs chakra reserves. I showed that VoTe only supports your point if you can somehow show that Madara and Hashirama both used equal amounts of chakra during their clash. Therefore your point only stands if you can show that. Iʻm not using VoTe as any positive argument for my own, so I donʻt have a burden of proof to show anything chakra-wise in regards to that.

So what if madara used chakra to regenerate his susanoo swords? Sasuke did the same thing with his arrows and he never showed any signs of exhaustion from doing that. Plus sasuke has a meesely 3.5 stat in stamina and heʻs never been stated to have been a chakra monster. If you want to talk about chakras, Narutoʻs BM had so much chakra that non-sensors like sasuke and suigetsu were able to sense him half way around the world. Since when has madaraʻs chakra produced that kind of result? Tobirama even picked up narutoʻs chakras immediately and only later after searching more detected madaraʻs chakras.

then thereʻs the fact that Hashirama never stated yang + yin kurama had as much chakra as him, he stated that the amount of chakra naruto used to power the shinobi alliance was comparable in quantity to his own. Narutoʻs Yang kurama didnʻt even have enough chakra at the time to put him into BM, and neither he nor minato were even using their bijuu avatars.

So no, Hashirama canʻt even claim to have more chakra than BM Minato, Madara canʻt claim to have as much or even around the same amount of chakra as hashirama.

 

[Unorthodox]

Madara wins this

it stoped being debateable when kishi showed Sasuke standing v3 susanoo on par with bsm kurama

 

[lanakui8]

Madara wins this

it stoped being debateable when kishi showed Sasuke standing v3 susanoo on par with bsm kurama

Except kishi then showed Sasukeʻs susanoo requiring BSM NArutoʻs power AND juugoʻs power in order to just get overshadowed by BSM NArutoʻs avatar, and then Sasukeʻs PS needing to be powered up by BSM NAruto in order to fight on par with Narutoʻs construct.

All the while BSM Naruto is spreading around his power across the entire shinobi alliance and still contributing more to the fight than Sasuke was.


BSM Naruto and BM Minato stomp the hell out of EMS Sasuke by feats, hype, portrayal everything.

 

[Unorthodox]

Except kishi then showed Sasukeʻs susanoo requiring BSM NArutoʻs power AND juugoʻs power in order to just get overshadowed by BSM NArutoʻs avatar, and then Sasukeʻs PS needing to be powered up by BSM NAruto in order to fight on par with Narutoʻs construct.

All the while BSM Naruto is spreading around his power across the entire shinobi alliance and still contributing more to the fight than Sasuke was.


BSM Naruto and BM Minato stomp the hell out of EMS Sasuke by feats, hype, portrayal everything.

Get slaped Naruto never once stated the chakra cloaks weakend his power nor was it stated.

Sasuke didnt need that weak kurama avatar when he used PS

Current Sasuke negs BM Minato
and stalemates or defeat nardo

 

[lanakui8]

Get slaped Naruto never once stated the chakra cloaks weakend his power nor was it stated.

What do the chakra cloaks consist of? Narutoʻs BM chakra. Obviously if narutoʻs spreading that chakra across the entire shinobi alliance heʻs not able to use it for himself and his combat prowress diminishes.

Plus, naruto never stated that the chakra cloaks DIDNʻT weaken his power, so why assume that it doesnʻt?

Sasuke didnt need that weak kurama avatar when he used PS

Itʻs absolutely necessary that Sasukeʻs PS was powered up by BSM Narutoʻs avatar, else how could Sasukeʻs PS have touched Juubito or the onmyouton? Juugo wasnʻt using the cursed seal, sasukeʻs PS didnʻt have the cursed seal, it logically had to have been senjutsu enhanced by BSM Naruto.

And then thereʻs the feats, oh my goodness the feats.

Current Sasuke negs BM Minato
and stalemates or defeat nardo

Current Sasuke negs BM Minato, but no way in hell by feats, hype or anything in the manga is current Sasuke >/= current Naruto. Itʻs as if you didnʻt watch the kaguya fight where sasukeʻs greatest weapon, PS, was getting negged by kaguya while Naruto was constantly putting her on the defensive and damaging her, even when fighting her solo.