Mangekyou Sharingan Explanation !!!!

[AllseeingSharingan]

Good thread and mt thoughts exactly. Another thing I noticed is when itachi cast the tsykuyomi against itachi the first time his eyes did not take mangeykou form. It was 3 tomoe

Also I wanted too add that when itachi told Sasuke too look into his eyes I assumed because Sasuke implanted itachis eyes. So it was like they were looking in the same eye like a mirror.

Great thread.

 

[sindi1997]

Good thread and mt thoughts exactly. Another thing I noticed is when itachi cast the tsykuyomi against itachi the first time his eyes did not take mangeykou form. It was 3 tomoe

Also I wanted too add that when itachi told Sasuke too look into his eyes I assumed because Sasuke implanted itachis eyes. So it was like they were looking in the same eye like a mirror.

Great thread.

Thnx mate )

 

[tatonation39]

Hello everyone !! I read recent thread replys and it seems most people still belive that obito can use Kamui with 3 tomoe Or that its actuaclly Madara Casting the Tsukyomi On the moon i m here to clarify that A bit For you guys

So as you know kishi before reaviling Obito s identity was making us belive that obito could actually kamui with 3 tomoe which is not Real at all you see All the Normal sharingans have shown no other abillity than their actual base one which means All 3 tomoe Sharingans share the same features unlike mangekyou The entire purpuse of kishing doing that was to keep the obito identity unrevealed


Many people in the base seems to have miseed something obito didn't awaken his mangekyou In this scan

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However that is not true obito's mangekyou was awakened at kannabi bridge and madara backs this Up

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Read madaras words Its almost as if you were able to slip away from it Also the fact that obito s other half remained uncrushed supports this as well... Only in mangekyou uchihas obtain their special power in their normal 1 tomoe , 2 tomoe , 3 tomoe they share the same sharingan Properties

Now That Obito is Done i m gona Address some People who think sasuke doesn't posses tsukyomi and i find that to be Untrue... Kishi has Made us realize that unlike any other genjutsu tsukyomi appears a bit different in the manga

First take a look at the very first tsukyomi we saw in the manga

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Tsukyomi is respresented In a different Way from all the other genjutsu yet kishi Still hasen't changed his style here we se sasuke activating mangekyou and Actually using tsukyomi (even if it was weaker than itachis It was still tsukyomi .. Itachi had time to train His tsukyomi Unlike Sasuke)

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As you can see Its the same genjutsu mark and to show you that Kishi still uses the same genjutsu mark On tsukyomi this was showen in the chapters of brothers vs Kabuto .. Notice Sasuke s body its the same mark and itachi even said he used tsukyomi and notice sasuke s genjutsu which was not tsukyomi but an other sharingan genjutsu

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Now why didn't sasuke use tsukyomi well First of all he hasn't trained it and as we all know an untrained tsukyomi not that great results as we saw at the bee case also tsukyomi drains a ton of chakra (Itachi said this) unlike itachi sasuke wasn't an edo that means he had To preserve his chakra Also an other theory about this might be the fact that since sasuke hasn't trained his tsukyomi it isn't its most powerful genjutsu in his arsenal yet idkn which one of the reasons is but i m sure its one of them

And Now For the last part of this thread Its actuaclly 10 tails casting the genjtusu on the moon Not Madara (many people misconcept this) The truth is this is the biggiest reason i m making this thread people belive that Its Madara using the 10 tails s chakra to cast the infinite tsukyomi but the truth Is its the other way around Its Madara Controling the 10 Tails and Using its actual visual Powers and chakra to cast the infinite tsukyomi and here Let me explain Why !!
First of all as we all Know obito was also Able to cast infinite tsukyomi he actually admited this and as we all know obito doesn't posses tsukyomi .. I m not sure about Madara because Hell Kishi changes his mind about this manga however he wants too (that sasuanoo No eyes) However on theory since Madara has susanno he should also posses amaterasu and tsukyomi However as i said that Kishii ass pull of susanoo No eyes made me dought this however at obito s case its proven That he has one of the rare eyes who posses both the same abillty 2 people have been showned at the manga that posses Only 1 abillity on their eyes And it was Complete HAX shisui which Possesed in both of his eyes kotoamatuskami And obito which In both of his eyes possesed Kamui (1 being short range but faster teleportation the other being long rage but slower one ) as you can see obito doesn't posses tsukyomi but he can cast it ? how ? the answer is simple The 10 tails we know he has a sharingan and a rinnengan ... And that means that the actuall rinnengan can evolve even further madara confirmed this as well In one of the recent chapters... 10 tails possees the final Eye and i belive that its that eye that Actually Posses tsukyomi as well as the other Jutsus of Mangekyou... after all Obito said he d cast tsukyomi without actuaclly possesing it as i said he would actuaclly use the 10 tails s eye to reflect on the moon and cast tsukyomi Throught 10 tails ... SO that s the end of my thread Sry for the very long post Thnx for reading ​

I dont care for sasuke but you explained yourself well so rep ip. But I have a question for you. Do you know why kakashi doesnt go blind from using his ms so much he should be blind for it

 

[Oblivionx]

i agree with everything up until madara or jubi casting genjutsu via moon...! tobirama told madara that he should not be the one allowed to control that dream. means madara is going to control infinite Tsukyomi.....!

 

[Punk Hazard]

Perhaps he didn't know he unlocked it.

Kakashi had MS unlocked since he was a child, but could only use 3 tomoe until some unclear period before Part 2.

Although I don't think Obito did unlock it at the bridge.

Not what I'm saying. When Obito and Kakashi's eyes went to Mangekyo, they went to 3 Tomoe then Mangekyo. This shows that if Obito had awakened Mangekyo at the Kannabi Bridge, his eyes would have went past 2 Tomoe to 3 Tomoe, so he wouldn't have 2 Tomoe while with Madara in the cave.

 

[Booker]

Not what I'm saying. When Obito and Kakashi's eyes went to Mangekyo, they went to 3 Tomoe then Mangekyo. This shows that if Obito had awakened Mangekyo at the Kannabi Bridge, his eyes would have went past 2 Tomoe to 3 Tomoe, so he wouldn't have 2 Tomoe while with Madara in the cave.

Gotcha. Yes, in that case it made no sense.

 

[sindi1997]

I dont care for sasuke but you explained yourself well so rep ip. But I have a question for you. Do you know why kakashi doesnt go blind from using his ms so much he should be blind for it

Since the eyes are a pair I think that the only case were only 1 eye could go blind is izanagi or izanami .... Since obito had Hashirama s dna i think that s why he never went blind and we know the eyes are connected so i think that s why kakashi didn't too thnx for the rep

i agree with everything up until madara or jubi casting genjutsu via moon...! tobirama told madara that he should not be the one allowed to control that dream. means madara is going to control infinite Tsukyomi.....!

madara is controling the dream and what i actuaclly ment was that its the 10 tails casting the genjtusu Madara is controling the 10 tails its not madara himself doing tsykyomi with his own eyes He is simple controling the 10 tails and His eyes to cast the genjutsu

Not what I'm saying. When Obito and Kakashi's eyes went to Mangekyo, they went to 3 Tomoe then Mangekyo. This shows that if Obito had awakened Mangekyo at the Kannabi Bridge, his eyes would have went past 2 Tomoe to 3 Tomoe, so he wouldn't have 2 Tomoe while with Madara in the cave.

Gotcha. Yes, in that case it made no sense.

if he can't remember how to activate mangekyou how would he remember how to activate 3 tomoe ?

 

[Xāvî1]

If Obito awakened MS at Kannabi Bridge, his Sharingan wouldn't have been two tomoe up until when he saw Rin die.

right answer

Obito awakened his mangekyou as from start which we have seen his in the last episode

Wrong answer

 

[Itachi Edo]

I know it seems a bit strange From 2 tomoe to mangekyou but Kishi gave us the evidence that he did unlock it there himself i mean all of his right body was Untouched and even madara said its almost as you Slipped through .. Also take note of obito s first use of abillity when his mangekyou unlocked at the battle where rin died the very first thing he used was his kamui

I could see the trauma leading to him unlocking it or his body going into survival mode when the rocks were about to crush him. He could have passed out, woken up without the MS, and then waited for Rin and Kakashi to come to. He wouldn't have known he had it, thus seeing Rin die would have the same effect of shock.

 

[GOD2U]

Great theory. I also believe the sharinnegan is the doujutsu above Rinnegan. Do you think that's the eye Madara is cultivating?

 

[AGoodBoy]

The fact that obito had a 2-tomoe, up till the point we first saw his MS, proves half this thread wrong. You can't get an MS without getting a 3-tomoe. And, you can't regress a 3-tomoe back to a 2-tomoe.

Obito never reached MS before that. This is what you just call BS.

 

[Kakashi Hatakeo]

I partially agree

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Sasuke awakened his sharingan at uchiha masacre however he could't activate it by normals means because he could't remember how to Or it was the trauma i can't really remember

Itachi made him forget.
When he used it the first time it was 1tome and 1tome.
When he used it the second time he started with 2tome and 1 tome.
When he fought oro it was 2tome 2tome
When he fought naruto at vote it was 3tome 3tome.

Obito skipped 1 and went straight to 2tome.
Then he skipped 3(or unlocked in the process) and went straight to ms

 

[sindi1997]

I could see the trauma leading to him unlocking it or his body going into survival mode when the rocks were about to crush him. He could have passed out, woken up without the MS, and then waited for Rin and Kakashi to come to. He wouldn't have known he had it, thus seeing Rin die would have the same effect of shock.

Just like sasuke this is what i m trying to explain obito had a trauma or smth similar Since he was gona pass out anyway he probabily coudn't remember he had Ms

Great theory. I also believe the sharinnegan is the doujutsu above Rinnegan. Do you think that's the eye Madara is cultivating?

he said so himself he is gona reach a new eye and since we know the uchiha and senju represent the 10 tails when they are as 1 i think it will i mean Look at the comparison the 10 tails Absorbs natural energy just like sage mode it is a huge tree just like hashriama While uchihas posses its eye

The fact that obito had a 2-tomoe, up till the point we first saw his MS, proves half this thread wrong. You can't get an MS without getting a 3-tomoe. And, you can't regress a 3-tomoe back to a 2-tomoe.

Obito never reached MS before that. This is what you just call BS.

the Fact that sasuke had sharingan but never remembered he had because of trauma Means that obito could have had 3 tomoe and ms and still not remember he has those since he was half dead Anyways

Now remind me agian of that dude who talks BS

I partially agree

Itachi made him forget.
When he used it the first time it was 1tome and 1tome.
When he used it the second time he started with 2tome and 1 tome.
When he fought oro it was 2tome 2tome
When he fought naruto at vote it was 3tome 3tome.

Obito skipped 1 and went straight to 2tome.
Then he skipped 3(or unlocked in the process) and went straight to ms

Maybe that s what kishi is trying to tell us

 

[BlinkST]

There is no evidence that a three-comma Sharingan can regress to a two-comma. You cannot take what Madara said about Obito "slipping through" the rocks to mean Obito awakened his Sharingan.

 

[sindi1997]

There is no evidence that a three-comma Sharingan can regress to a two-comma. You cannot take what Madara said about Obito "slipping through" the rocks to mean Obito awakened his Sharingan.

It Doesn't get more Obvious than this if you have any other explanation on how Obtito s other half survived the same rocks that crushed his left side i d be more than happy to hear it also i don't think its a coincidence that Madara said Slip through And obito s mangekyou happens to posses the same abillity

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Just like sasuke this is what i m trying to explain obito had a trauma or smth similar Since he was gona pass out anyway he probabily coudn't remember he had Ms



he said so himself he is gona reach a new eye and since we know the uchiha and senju represent the 10 tails when they are as 1 i think it will i mean Look at the comparison the 10 tails Absorbs natural energy just like sage mode it is a huge tree just like hashriama While uchihas posses its eye



the Fact that sasuke had sharingan but never remembered he had because of trauma Means that obito could have had 3 tomoe and ms and still not remember he has those since he was half dead Anyways

Now remind me agian of that dude who talks BS




Maybe that s what kishi is trying to tell us

What I'm saying is that even though sasuke forgot he never regressed. No one had there sharingan regress. Even when they forgot.

 

[sindi1997]

What I'm saying is that even though sasuke forgot he never regressed. No one had there sharingan regress. Even when they forgot.

Okay man let's assume for the moment that i m wrong about the sharingan part do you think its a coicidence that Madara said Obito its just as you Slipped through those rocks And obito s mangekyou Happens to posses the very same abillty ? Also can you explain to me how the very same rocks who completly destroyed his left side didn't even put a scratch on his right one ?