Manga Proof: Why Hiraishin didn't work against Madara and Sasuke's tech worked!!

[King Of Pop]

1. Re-read the chapter U_U

2. Lel you think that think is his staff? Lol



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Yeah, he was non-second away from being hailed as the GOAT legend!



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It's actually a thread about Hiraishin and Sasuke's Teleport ability U_U



Lel what?



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Lel I was talking about Hiraishin Level-2 and not about Hiraishingiri U_U



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Just as he forgot he had the Hiraishin to teleport his group to safety instead of fighting Kin brothers? Plot my friend, plot.



Lel Dantee is rustled as usual Lol

give it up theres no where in the manga did it say madara used limbo nor is there any suffiecient evidence. its nothing but baseless speculation

its his staff clearly, am sure you are not blind. and your whole post about madara being weaker when he faced naruto and sasuke is crap as madara absorbed the shinju so he was actually stronger. his gudodamas wont have made a difference as sasuke will have broken through it anyways. he didnt use limbo against minato or co, he used just his staff which was also available to him against sasuke but he couldnt do anything.

to sum it up, ftg from minato and tobirama failed against madara simply because their base and striking speed were not enough for them against him despite them utilizing the jutsu. sasuke is much faster than them so he was sucessful.

 

[Bronze]

lol madara allowed gais hits?? from what i read he was getting blized left and right, he didnt allow shit. gais attacks were just too fast but madaras regeneration meant he could hang with him hence he kept asking gai for more. he admitted to himself that if he cant allow himself get hit directly as it would be bad. so your point failed. madara doesnt know what sasuke would have up his sleeve so getting cut in half would clearly not be in the agenda. the fact that he could only kamui away after sasuke cut him rather than before supports that. he didnt allow shit.

i dont even know what we are arguing here again lol how did naruto even enter this discussion. sorry cant remember, could you reprase your argument here

I have good reason to ignore you after examining your ignorant posts...

Madara laughing, not using his Susanoo, as well as waiting for Gai to use more techniques is good reasoning that he allowed him to hit him. Same thing applied with Sasuke. Period.

Yes, you're someone to be ignored. As I mentioned in my previous post: Naruto is as fast as Sasuke used his full speed to save Sakura. The Limbo reacted and blocked. That is why Madara can react to Sasuke. Now you will be going to ignore list.​

 

[Minator93]

You're banking on weighty assumptions, Minato_r93.

First you're assuming that Masahi had Madara utilize the technique twice without the author giving an indication on the name of the Jutsu; which contrarily, he has done every time Madara directly used the technique to topple the Biju and every time he utilized the technique to create clones as Jinchuriki...if this is the case then you're asking me to believe that Masashi did not remember or left out the name of the Jutsu on your proposed two occurrences against Tobirama and Sasuke without reason. Secondly, Madara only gained flight abilities after hosting the Jubi. Judging Sasuke's height above both ground level and Madara; it then highlights that Madara's clone would never be able to hold him in that position unless it was much larger than the original Madara, an impossibility, or that it had flight abilities which is also impossible since Madara had no such abilities at the time. Thirdly, Sasuke was paralyzed in the air and unable to move any part of his body: there is no possible holding position that Madara's clone could hold Sasuke at to paralyze him entirely.

All indicating that your assertion: "Madara used Limbo on Tobirama and Sasuke" has a plausibility little to none.
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First off, I'm not assuming anything, especially when Masashi had Obito utilize the technique Kamui without the author giving an indication on the name of the Jutsu for nearly 300 chapters; which contrarily, he has done every time after the reveal of the technique in Chapter 598.

Secondly, You're suggesting that the Limbo-Madara should have the same set of abilities that the real Madara does which itself is fallacious because the Limbo Madara never used Onmyoudon whereas Real one did as seen

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but for the argument's sake let's believe in your fallacy and say that the Limbo Madara can only use the abilities that the real one does, then in that case one can say the Limbo Madara used

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to hold Sasuke at that height.

Thirdly, as said the Limbo Madara could've very well used

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in both case which gave Sasuke the feeling of being paralyzed.

So much for Zero plausibility Lol

That's not canonical evidence at all. That's pure speculation at best. Facts?

1. Madara is standing above one of the creases in Gedo Mazo (

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2. Tobirama's body lined up with that crease (

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3. Tobirama's body was perpendicular later, while Madara was out of place as well (

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4. Madara no longer had the Chakra Rod protruding from his right hand

5. Tobirama's kunai arm was under the shoulder of his right arm before the jump, but on the side later

6. His kunai arm was folded or cut off partially​

It is one thing to support the notion that Tobirama's positioning didn't change, when it so clearly did. But it is much worse to try to pass this entire idea off as a manga fact.

Madara pierced Tobirama's body with his black rods, he was moving and moved Tobirama a bit. The wording on my part wasn't accurate, Tobirama's position shifted a bit but his "stance or the state of his body" remained the same U_U

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You know how ems madara hit alive minato?? What's the real cause of death of hashi? limbo!! why we don't see it? Because its invisible! What a dumbass thread XD

Do not troll U_U

 

[Bronze]

About the event occurred with Madara vs Tobirama, I speculate Madara used his ability to control gravity [

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]. Form of Banson Te'n most likely.​

 

[Minator93]

give it up theres no where in the manga did it say madara used limbo nor is there any suffiecient evidence. its nothing but baseless speculation

its his staff clearly, am sure you are not blind. and your whole post about madara being weaker when he faced naruto and sasuke is crap as madara absorbed the shinju so he was actually stronger. his gudodamas wont have made a difference as sasuke will have broken through it anyways. he didnt use limbo against minato or co, he used just his staff which was also available to him against sasuke but he couldnt do anything.

to sum it up, ftg from minato and tobirama failed against madara simply because their base and striking speed were not enough for them against him despite them utilizing the jutsu. sasuke is much faster than them so he was sucessful.

As I suspected earlier you are slow Lol

Limbo Usage:

Second variation of Ringa aka Limbo:

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As seen here Tobirama had used Hiraishin-Giri and then tricked Madara by using Hiraishin Level-2. Tobirama was in a perfect position to kill Madara whilst Madara was at a heavily disadvantageous position with Legs and Arm already at a full stretch.

Madara then used Limbo to freeze[the shadow Madara caught hold of Tobirama] Tobirama and pierced him with black rods

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It could be easily seen that the collapsed Tobirama has the same form he had when he used the Hiraishin Level-2, even the position of his hand that held the Kunai has remained unchanged confirming usage of Limbo!

Let's move towards Sasuke:

Madara sensed Sasuke approaching [he could clearly sense him unlike Tobirama who got sensed at the last instant because of Hiraishin usage]

Madara used Limbo without even looking at Sasuke

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Killed him the next instant like a roach U_U

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The destruction of the staff:

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The Remainder of Madara's Onmyoudon Power:

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[King Of Pop]

I have good reason to ignore you after examining your ignorant posts...

Madara laughing, not using his Susanoo, as well as waiting for Gai to use more techniques is good reasoning that he allowed him to hit him. Same thing applied with Sasuke. Period.

Yes, you're someone to be ignored. As I mentioned in my previous post: Naruto is as fast as Sasuke used his full speed to save Sakura. The Limbo reacted and blocked. That is why Madara can react to Sasuke. Now you will be going to ignore list.​

pls stfu and stop behaving like a spoiled child. its just a simple debate in a manga meant for entertainment, its not so serious. people take this stuff way too seriously. like i said madara was getting hit due to the speed of gais attacks, check his face expressions and you will see it. didnt madara say he will be in bad shape if he gets a direct hit? that shits on your entire post of him allowing it. he may not have gone full power on gai, i know that, but he was genuinly blized and not because he allowed. his juubi body and regen kept him in the fight, you are actually going against the manga you butthurt idiot.

as for the second point, naruto simply went in to save sakura and not to try and bliz madara, sakura was his priority. that scan is simply not convincing enough for me.

lol look at this child saying he will ignore me as if that is supposed to make me feel bad, i dont give a shit whether you ignore me or not, it doesnt remove anything for my life. you sound like one of those immature brats who throw a tantrum when things dont go their way. gtfo

 

[King Of Pop]

As I suspected earlier you are slow Lol

Limbo Usage:

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The destruction of the staff:

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The Remainder of Madara's Onmyoudon Power:

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says the one who made this poor thread

all those explanations is cool and all but i can also speculate that madara used a different rinnegan technique on him and sasuke like bansho tenin but a superior version. thats what i think and not limbo. we cant truly know so you cant be using it as a fact when it wasnt confirmed.

lol troll. you can clearly see madara holding the staff when he flies towards sasuke. theres no need debating this as i dont believe you are blind

 

[Minator93]

says the one who made this poor thread

all those explanations is cool and all but i can also speculate that madara used a different rinnegan technique on him and sasuke like bansho tenin but a superior version. thats what i think and not limbo. we cant truly know so you cant be using it as a fact when it wasnt confirmed.

lol troll. you can clearly see madara holding the staff when he flies towards sasuke. theres no need debating this as i dont believe you are blind

1. Your slow status is beyond confirmed at this point Lol

2. Works for since the main point of this thread is to show why Hiraishin Didn't work whereas Sasuke's tech worked U_U

3. Lel this failure couldn't even understand that Madara used an Onmyoudon sphere [it transformed into a stick] and not the staff which was destroyed by Gai's Ryu attack Lol

 

[Unorthodox]

Yet amusingly....

This is a 4 star thread with 18 'Thanks'; which could only testify to the low expectation and intelligence levels here on NB. Basically all those who are in agreement with the material you've presented are now under the belief that Limbo is the method by which Madara countered Tobirama despite you not providing any canonical evidence to prove that was the case but rather conjecture. Again, it is amusing. ​

agreed.

Like i said and page 1 he's just trying to be a good troll but ill add this

when minato switch places with obito or teleported him the Onmyoudon did not follow him

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so even if madara had all his Onmyoudons sasuke would have still warp him from them then blitz em

 

[Minator93]

agreed.

Like i said and page 1 he's just trying to be a good troll but ill add this

when minato switch places with obito or teleported him the Onmyoudon did not follow him

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so even if madara had all his Onmyoudons sasuke would have still warp him from them then blitz em

You talk as if Sasuke's Teleportation mechanics are same as Hiraishin which is false on all accounts U_U

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[King Of Pop]

1. Your slow status is beyond confirmed at this point Lol

2. Works for since the main point of this thread is to show why Hiraishin Didn't work whereas Sasuke's tech worked U_U

3. Lel this failure couldn't even understand that Madara used an Onmyoudon sphere [it transformed into a stick] and not the staff which was destroyed by Gai's Ryu attack Lol

1. you made a retarded thread so you have no right to call anyone slow

2. and you failed at making that point. simple as that. getting thanks and praises for the thread doesnt make it right. it means most peeps are sheeps who cant think for themselves.

3. omyoudon sphere, omyoudon staff etc all work the same way. thay are black spheres meant for defense and used to negate attacks so theres literally no difference between the two. you said it yourself that he created it from his sphere so you soloed yourself actually. you are the failure not me

 

[Minator93]

1. you made a retarded thread so you have no right to call anyone slow

2. and you failed at making that point. simple as that. getting thanks and praises for the thread doesnt make it right. it means most peeps are sheeps who cant think for themselves.

3. omyoudon sphere, omyoudon staff etc all work the same way. thay are black spheres meant for defense and used to negate attacks so theres literally no difference between the two. you said it yourself that he created it from his sphere so you soloed yourself actually. you are the failure not me

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this kid is hilarious.

 

[Waltz]

First off, I'm not assuming anything, especially when Masashi had Obito utilize the technique Kamui without the author giving an indication on the name of the Jutsu for nearly 300 chapters; which contrarily, he has done every time after the reveal of the technique in Chapter 598.

Secondly, You're suggesting that the Limbo-Madara should have the same set of abilities that the real Madara does which itself is fallacious because the Limbo Madara never used Onmyoudon whereas Real one did as seen

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but for the argument's sake let's believe in your fallacy and say that the Limbo Madara can only use the abilities that the real one does, then in that case one can say the Limbo Madara used

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or

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to hold Sasuke at that height.

Thirdly, as said the Limbo Madara could've very well used

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or

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in both case which gave Sasuke the feeling of being paralyzed.

So much for Zero plausibility Lol

The bold doesn't apply since Limbo's name, being a Rin'negan particulary was mention at the first instance use of the Jutsu and every time the technique was used by Madara following that instance.

@ Underlined: Fallacy of presumption? How impressive:

Reliablepetitio principii

(also known as: assuming the initial point, assuming the answer, chicken and the egg argument, circulus in probando, circular reasoning [form of], vicious circle)

Description: Any form of argument where the conclusion is assumed in one of the premises. Many people use the phrase “begging the question” incorrectly when they use it to mean, “prompts one to ask the question”. That is NOT the correct usage. Begging the question is a form of circular reasoning.

Logical Forms:

Claim X assumes X is true.
Therefore, claim X is true.
Example #1:

Paranormal activity is real because I have experienced what can only be described as paranormal activity.

Example #2:

Madara could have only used Limbo on Tobirama and Sasuke because we could not "see" what was affecting their bodies.

Then now you begin to further assume on your first assumption that Madara's limbo maintains a different set of abilities to the original when no detail has been canonically given on the clone's capabilities and limitations sides it being subject to Sage techniques and having to return to Madara at some point while he was wielding a single Rin'engan. It then throws the whole idea of the bunshin utilizing binding Jutsu or Susano'o into assumption as well.


To add to that, since Masashi has already stressed on the way limbo functions to directly interact with the target: Madara being required to maintain and further focus eye contact with the target and then regurgitate the Limbo bunshin from it's realm----The jutsu's name is mentioned conjointly. This has been the requirements each time Madara has utilized the Jutsu and then means he could not have used it at this point [

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] since he was not making eye contact with Tobirama nor Sasuke at this point [

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] for the very reason you've already stated:

Madara used Limbo without even looking at Sasuke

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[Shadow Phantasm]

There's no proof that Madara used Limbo on Tobirama since the scuffle was off screen,but nice thread either way.

 

[King Of Pop]

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this kid is hilarious.

lol sure, whateva you say.

 

[Unorthodox]

You talk as if Sasuke's Teleportation mechanics are same as Hiraishin which is false on all accounts U_U

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doesnt matter sasuke was shown to teleport a body into his attacks

 

[Blackwatch]

Minator rustling major jimmies

I approve.

 

[genii96]

The bold doesn't apply since Limbo's name, being a Rin'negan particulary was mention at the first instance use of the Jutsu and every time the technique was used by Madara following that instance.

@ Underlined: Fallacy of presumption? How impressive:



Then now you begin to further assume on your first assumption that Madara's limbo maintains a different set of abilities to the original when no detail has been canonically given on the clone's capabilities and limitations sides it being subject to Sage techniques and having to return to Madara at some point while he was wielding a single Rin'engan. It then throws the whole idea of the bunshin utilizing binding Jutsu or Susano'o into assumption as well.


To add to that, since Masashi has already stressed on the way limbo functions to directly interact with the target: Madara being required to maintain and further focus eye contact with the target and then regurgitate the Limbo bunshin from it's realm----The jutsu's name is mentioned conjointly. This has been the requirements each time Madara has utilized the Jutsu and then means he could not have used it at this point [

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] since he was not making eye contact with Tobirama nor Sasuke at this point [

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] for the very reason you've already stated:




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actually,madara didnt mention it when sakura attacked him did he? Just asking

 

[Brooks]

Lel I was talking about Hiraishin Level-2 and not about Hiraishingiri U_Ul

Failure as much? Your attempt at trolling is very poor Minator.

The scan you posted(half of a scan might i say) also happens to be Hiraishin Giri.....you passing this BS as facts is truly amusing(not as amusing as the ignorant members in this thread who agreed with this garbage of a thread though).​

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^Chapter 661 page 9...​

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^*Next page* Chapter 661 page 10(look at the bottom of the scan)​

 

[Rizengan01]

I have good reason to ignore you after examining your ignorant posts...

Madara laughing, not using his Susanoo, as well as waiting for Gai to use more techniques is good reasoning that he allowed him to hit him. Same thing applied with Sasuke. Period.

Yes, you're someone to be ignored. As I mentioned in my previous post: Naruto is as fast as Sasuke used his full speed to save Sakura. The Limbo reacted and blocked. That is why Madara can react to Sasuke. Now you will be going to ignore list.​

Should I mention that the second instance happened after Madara recovered his second eye?

Madara pierced Tobirama's body with his black rods, he was moving and moved Tobirama a bit. The wording on my part wasn't accurate, Tobirama's position shifted a bit but his "stance or the state of his body" remained the same U_U

Tobirama's position shifted from parallel to the line to being perpendicular? Because he was stabbed?

His left arm wasn't in the same state. His left leg wasn't in the same stance. There was no true similarities in his starting position (whether it be location or position) and his ending stance. You're grasping at straws.

You also ignore the changes that happened with Madara.

Nothing you posted is true here.