[Manga facts] Kaguya's arc flaws

[KCMNaruto]

Hello guys, I just want to share with you short points with explanation. I will add scans later because now I am on my phone, so let's begin

Flaws in Kaguya's arc : ​

1. Bad timming -

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Foreshadowing of Kaguya's come back/ressurection was actually pretty good, however the timing for binging her back was horribly. I mean Uchiha Madara who just gained Ultimate power was taken out by Kaguya's will without showing anything of his power magnitude.

Solution: Kishi should have let Madara fought against Naruto and Sasuke showing his all powers, then when Madara was weakened Black Zetsu should strike him. It woul be nice repeat of Madara "stabbing" Obito when he was the weakest. It would make Madara's fans pleased with Madara's fight and Kaguya's return would be more exciting. Another possibility would be stating in Manga that after casting IT caster is left powerless or close to powerless having some cooldown time until power return, then he would have done what he has done but Madara's fans would still rage.

2. No purpouse of Black Zetsu in battle against Kaguya

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- He has no point, as all him recording shinobi battles whole manga has no impact on Kaguya's fighting style or battle smartkness.

Solution: Kishi should make Black Zetsu absorbed back by Kaguya. Kaguya should have all BZ dialogs which would solve character development. Kishi wouldn't make Kaguya chakra obesesive but rather hating humankind for wars and trying to turn everyone in slave under her control or wiping out humankind from planet.
Kaguya should also explain reason for Zetsu's army and get few flashbacks.

3. Hiding Sasuke's abilties at all cost

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- This is the main point why Kaguya's battle sucked. Until Kaguya separated them the battle was interesting and nice. Due to Sasuke showing little to none new abilties Kishi had to keep Kaguya away from him. It caused Kaguya vs Naruto battle while Sasuke had to be retrieved which caused Kaguya's nerfing for Naruto to be able to keep up with her.

Solution: After she separated them and trapped Naruto with Dimenssion World attack as being one with nature she should went straight for Sasuke as he was alone. It would show Sasuke and Naruto's performances against Kaguya so readers would enjoy the battle and compare. After fight against Sasuke Kaguya would comes back to Naruto wanting to finish him as Sasuke would somehow escape to her other dimenssion. While Kaguya fought Naruto Sasuke would be retireved fast so they would once again fighting her

4. Too short battle after power up

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- One of the greatest issues, Kaguya just recieved power up at the same time when Kakashi was gifted with Obito's power up, however it was only for one chapter to later fade away.

Solution: Either prolong the battle and not rushing plot or without giving power up and maker her loss faster and in more reasonable way

5. Immortality concept

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- I am not sure if most of people agree with me, but introducing immortality concept in Madara or Kaguya's case was horrible move, as it took away most of danger, thrill comming from battle. We know that noone attack besides seal can work.

Solution: Never introduce true immortality instead replacing it with incredible power with eternal life and insane regeneration. he battle would be much more enjoyable and effective.

6. Stage up for Naruto vs Sasuke battle

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- The whole purpouse of Kaguya arc seems for Sasuke to finally take up decision what to do, while developing Rinnegan abilities. It seems Kaguya who HAD SO MUCH POTENTIAL was wasted for Team 7 teamwork as well, which was really terrible move.

Solution: Postpon Naruto vs Sasuke battle and place it after time skip. Make them fight Kaguya in two seperate dimenssion so we readers would know all of them moves, while they would be clueless against each other potential.

Conclusion: Pointless existence of BZ in fight, hiding Sasuke's skills and holding back all characters along with bad timming and immortality concept as cheery at the top of cake brought this arc to utter shame.

In the end Kaguya arc was only used for Kishi to accomplish two goals:

- end Madara as Kishi didn't know how to deal with him
- prolong manga and give Kishimoto time to show Naruto skills and some fanservice while preparing for Naruto vs Sasuke battle

 

[uzumakinaruto389]

Re: [Manga facts] Kaguyra's arc flaws

Im not sure but i think i've seen this thread elsewhere. Maybe im wrong....nice work though

 

[Ricardo]

Re: [Manga facts] Kaguyra's arc flaws

You are absolutely right.

 

[I'm stupid real stupid]

Re: [Manga facts] Kaguyra's arc flaws

The entire character is flawed...IDK why Kishi did this out of the blue...like Kaguya came out of no where

OT - Agree'd

 

[dark legion]

Conclusion: Pointless existence of BZ in fight, hiding Sasuke's skills and holding back all characters along with bad timming and immortality concept as cheery at the top of cake brought this arc to utter shame.

agreed with these ! kaguya's entrance f8cked this arc !

 

[Ashura San]

Nice. I agree.
+rep

 

[kimb]

Kaguya arc is easily in the top 3 worst arcs of shippuden. It was short pointless and established nothing. The whole fight against Kaguya should have been replaced with the fight against SO6P Madara, there was no reason for her to be introduced.

 

[jiraiya nindo]

I agree with all your points. If changes were made according to your theory, I believe the kaguya battle would've been a lot more enjoyable.

 

[BLAZE]

Great thread
Agreed
to add she dosen't challenge the protagonist and his dreams
can't rep u for it currently

 

[TsukiNoMe]

Kaguya sucks no need for Facts.

 

[Opiuchus05]

I'm glad that madara was fodderized so easily and that the whole time the juubi wasn't such a pushover to be controlled easily
Bz was not pointless he told a lot about the history of shinobi
There's nothing wrong with the immortality concept
Sasuke needed this battle to learn how to use the rinnegan

People use to think that tobi could have been the juubi trying to become complete well it's pretty much like that
Madara created akatsuki to use the juubi but the whole time madara was being manipulated to bring the juubi back to power

 

[DeadManWonderLand]

1.Madara was said to be perfect by kishi
Naruto and sasuke were not beating him.
If you can't even understand that then i won't even go in to detail about how ridiculous that sounded not too mention that would be lazy writing by kishi to just have 3 full fights back to back
Kaguya was an extension of the madara fight.

2.Black zetsu is the one that made sure she was unsealed and gave exposition during the entire fight.
What are smoking ?

3.I don't even know what to say to this one other than your stupid.
The fight was relatively short.
The first part was suruving her unexpected attack,they retaliate,she counters,they get the the upper hand for a split second then she traps sasuke in another dimension.
Please explain which part of the battle has kishi stalling sasukes powers.


4.So no your just reduced to pitiful opinions ?

5.Oh so you want a rehash of sage madara ?
He stated he tended to lose grace when fought like that.
You know the complete opposite of what you just said...............
Also i have a feeling you don't know what eternal means.

6.Yeah .Stupid.

 

[Filo]

i mean dal with it but still this was at least a well developed post

 

[AzureCicada]

Kaguya's arc felt so pointless and it hardly added to anything.

Some of your points would have definitely made it more interesting

 

[thisisit]

It would have been better if Kaguya at least talked something. She is the most mysterious character who didn't even talk much.

 

[jutsu]

I disagree
you are just one of those people who just read or watched the series and not the whole part since day 1 that's why you have the urge to bash kishi's masterpiece without even appreciating his efforts
WTF are you here in this base anyway. Stupid

 

[Karna]

Great read,agreed with everything,+rep
also I concluded one other thing from your post,Kayuga was not a character but a plot device, Kishi brought her in story for giving sage a reason to finally power up Naruto and Sasuke to indra/Asura level, and enabling Naruto to destroy cycle of hatred from it's roots.

It was like his triumph card,that he used to fix every loose end and loophole, no wonder she sucked as a character and ****ed things up, anyway, lets just be glad she and her BZ is gone for good and the manga can finally move on with Naruto vs Sasuke.

edit:unfortunately can't rep you twice,

 

[KCMNaruto]

I'm glad that madara was fodderized so easily and that the whole time the juubi wasn't such a pushover to be controlled easily
Bz was not pointless he told a lot about the history of shinobi
There's nothing wrong with the immortality concept
Sasuke needed this battle to learn how to use the rinnegan

People use to think that tobi could have been the juubi trying to become complete well it's pretty much like that
Madara created akatsuki to use the juubi but the whole time madara was being manipulated to bring the juubi back to power

LOl wtf. Madara was dealt with at the worst possible moment. He just gained peak of power and then was betrayed/fodderised by BZ. If Madara has problem with controlling Juubi after sealing it in himself, then I would agree, but Obito would have too.
I didn't say BZ was pointless in general. Although he was pointless through whole battle as Kaguya would be the one speaking all BZ spoke in canon.
Nothing wrong, really ? Pff. It is due to stupid immortality the battle couldn't be made to true extent of epicness. Reader know that no matter what Naruto or Sasuke pull, Kaguya still emerges until she got sealed. it killed anticipation feeling.
Yeah, and that why it was stupid. Sasuke should have had at least all knowledge about Rinnegan skills, needing only hone their use by using them against Kaguya.

You last statement has no point in reffer to my thread U_U

1.Madara was said to be perfect by kishi
Naruto and sasuke were not beating him.
If you can't even understand that then i won't even go in to detail about how ridiculous that sounded not too mention that would be lazy writing by kishi to just have 3 full fights back to back
Kaguya was an extension of the madara fight.

2.Black zetsu is the one that made sure she was unsealed and gave exposition during the entire fight.
What are smoking ?

3.I don't even know what to say to this one other than your stupid.
The fight was relatively short.
The first part was suruving her unexpected attack,they retaliate,she counters,they get the the upper hand for a split second then she traps sasuke in another dimension.
Please explain which part of the battle has kishi stalling sasukes powers.


4.So no your just reduced to pitiful opinions ?

5.Oh so you want a rehash of sage madara ?
He stated he tended to lose grace when fought like that.
You know the complete opposite of what you just said...............
Also i have a feeling you don't know what eternal means.

6.Yeah .Stupid.

1. Sure it was better to takes him out bringing even more op entity, right ?
If you think so then I feel sad for you. Freeza in DBZ was much more intimidating but he still could be killed. Akira > Kishi in that concept. Also instead of having full three battles it is better to have one battle porrly executed and rushed, sure Lol

2. Black Zetsu's purpouse ended the moment he revived Kaguya. He keep existing and talking just took away all depth Kaguya as character would get.

3. If you see nothing wrong with this battle, then you have really low expections or you are just kid who enjoy any shit Kishi serve.

4. ?

5. Very strong, intimidating and dangerous ooponent > Immortal opponent, that why akira has never let any of character gain Immortality/etnerla life. Akira > Kishi in that concept

6. Wasting something for other good is not just stupid but shows flaws in writting. It would be well planned and executed while seperated in time. Too bad Kishi took easy way.

I disagree
you are just one of those people who just read or watched the series and not the whole part since day 1 that's why you have the urge to bash kishi's masterpiece without even appreciating his efforts
WTF are you here in this base anyway. Stupid

you know me, right ?

Also yeah it is better to be naive kid who appreciate any shit your genious writter has made, right ?

Nope. I will keep doing it, because flaws shouldn't get forgotten.
Although I admit there was much more of great moments and genious skills of Kishimoto through whole manga, but Naruto as manga isn't perfect and never would be due to flaws.

As reader I have right to criticize Kishi for flaws in his writting. It shouldn't be taken as bashing but rather as tips how to improve/avoid such flaws in future, oh wait.

Kishi will end it soon, it is so sad he stopped caring some time ago, but keep dreaming.

The faith surely dies last.