[Manga fact]Kamui wielder can not use long range warp while phasing for now

[KCMNaruto]

Hello guys, so finally it is time to end this debate about this possibility at least for now. Before I go to the main point I would like to recall or for some guys it may be new so estabilish the ABSOLUTE RULES for PROOFS of character's feat and PROOFS that this can NOT be character's feats in the manga, so here I go:

WAYS TO PROVE CHARACTER's feat/s:

Spoiler

• 1. The character of such ability stating that he/she can use certain ability, or characters close to him/her and having wide knowledge about him/her stating that he/she CAN do it [Depends of credibility of such character]
  
• 2. Statement in Databook about character being able to do something [Well unless it is contradicted by manga statement later or the ability is shown falling/not workiing later then as the Author's word this is feat.]
  
• 3. Manga scan of character using such ability or abilities at the same time [The best walking proof of feat]

Now , let take a look at the the ways to disprove character can do something.

WAYS TO DISPROVE CHARACTER's feat/s :

Spoiler

• 1. The character of such ability stating that he/she can not use certain ability, or characters close to him/her and having wide knowledge about him/her stating that he/she can NOT do it [Depends of credibility of such character]
  
• 2. Statement in Databook about character being unable to do something or lack of that information [Well unless it is contradicted by manga statement later or the ability is shown falling/not working later then as the Author's word this is impossible to do for such character.]
  
• 3. Manga scan of character trying to use such ability or abilities at the same time and failing or lack of such ability being USED ON-SCREEN [The best walking proof of character being unable to do something]

Of Course now, The fanboys of Kamui will attack me and try to put me down by stating it can be changed at author's whim. Is that true ?

Yes, it is. Let's me specify HOW the manga facts can be CHANGED.

WAYS TO CHANGE MANGA FACT/S :

Spoiler

• 1. Statement in New Databook about character being able/unable to do something or lack contradicting the statement in previous databook [Well unless it is contradicted by manga statement later or the ability is shown falling/not workiing later then as the Author's word this is feat.]
  
• 2. Manga scan of character using such ability or abilities which was eariler stated as impossible to do for him/her or trying to use such ability or abilities at the same time and failing after eariler being able to do it(impossible to happen but I include it anyway) [The base and absolute requirement is CHARACTER HAS TO BE ALIVE !

Now when we are done with this stuff, I will bring two examples to show differences how it would work. So let's take "Sasuke can use Shinra Tensei" and "Kamui user can snipe while phasing" statements of fans.

Spoiler

IN FIRST CASE, Sasuke is still ALIVE. Even although he hasn't shown being able to use such ability, it still can CHANGE BY MANGA SCAN OR BY DATABOOK.

IN SECOND CASE, Obito is deceased/dead. It EXCLUDES second option right away, leaving only Databook statement as hope for Kamui users to be right.

Let's analyze three different possibilities for Kamui fans to prove their statement:

Spoiler

1. Databook states Kamui user can not Snipe while phasing == CAN NOT
2. Databook skip info about Kamui user being able or not snipe while phasing = CAN NOT
3. Databook states Kamui user can Snipe while phasing == CAN

See ? only third point can prove Kamui fans being right. Now I will go into details about Title thread:

Obito can NOT use Kamui snipe while phasing and I have good proofs for that:

Spoiler

1. The manga has never shown neither Obito or Kakashi using Kamui snipe while phasing, It was never stated that he can as well. - 3rd Point of disproving feats fullilled

"Not shown != can not do it until it will be shownn" accepted by everyone simple law about feats of characters.

2. However there is another harder proof which completly show neither Obito or Kakashi can kamui snipe while phasing. The proof lays in Kishi creating specifically conditions/opportunity/ties for certain character to proves being able to use certain ability or combo.

In Obito's case there was no such case, sadly. However arguably Obito's charka powered DMS Kakashi with Rikudou chakra had two opportunities in which he could display such feat, and Kishi made him not to either restrict/nerf him or simply show "Kamui user can not do it"

a) First opportunity was when Kakashi was phasing through ash bone while approaching flying at him Kaguya at full speed. Kakashi could easily uses Kamui snipe if he could:

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These excusses as She has even better S/T and She can regenerate. First has nothing to with it, unless you finally admit Kaguya could enter Kamui dimenssion at any moment, while second one makes not difference as nothing stopped Kaguya from regenerate from Kamui Raikiri which was just new show off as fan service because Kamui snipe would do the same thing(it could rip her arm and even more the arm along with BZ could be warped to other dimenssion - better result)

b) When Kakashi was falling down and used Kamui snipe Kishi would easily hype Kamui users even more by making either Kaguya or BZ shooting ash bone and make it phasing through Kakashi while he was warping her Space time Portal from which ash bone was emerging to hit Naruto:

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Even If logic could say that making just Eye stay tangible while rest of body phasing would be enough then it still doesn't make it true as manga has shown it can not be done.

RESULT: Kamui user can not use long range warp while phasing .

UNLESS NEW FOURTH DATABOOK WILL STATES OTHERWISE, SO PRAYING IS ONLY WHAT YOU CAN DO Kamui fanboys.
Well Hope dies last, so who knows.

Thank you for reading ! U_U

Please Share your thoughts cool

 

[-immortal-]

When obito has feats of dsm i will disagree on this.
His only feats are getting negged by rods. And rhus because a chips called doritos

 

[KCMNaruto]

When obito has feats of dsm i will disagree on this.
His only feats are getting negged by rods. And rhus because a chips called doritos

Unless Fourth Databook will shows or rather states Kamui iser can do it, then IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO DO.

It is how Feat of character work, that How each manga work with what character can do or can not do.

 

[-immortal-]

Unless Fourth Databook will shows or rather states Kamui iser can do it, then IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO DO.

It is how Feat of character work, that How each manga work with what character can do or can not do.

I'll be inspecting Databook for days.
Last time its said yata can repel everything and totsuka can seal anything. And itachi was suppose to be invincible yet died 2 times.

What is it going to be now? Sasuke has 3 eye and naruto is the jubi jins? Lol gtfo

 

[PureSkillz]

It's impossible because Kakashi chose not to use it? Why would he
snipe Kaguya? She'd solo him when he phases.

Seems like phasing is almost used passively while snipe is active,
I don't see why they can't be used at the same time. Although
I don't see why both would need to be used at the same time either.

 

[KCMNaruto]

I'll be inspecting Databook for days.
Last time its said yata can repel everything and totsuka can seal anything. And itachi was suppose to be invincible yet died 2 times.

What is it going to be now? Sasuke has 3 eye and naruto is the jubi jins? Lol gtfo

You didn't understand my point, too bad.

I didn't mean hype like being invincible, just stating that ability or such abilities used together can be done or no.

That all

It's impossible because Kakashi chose not to use it? Why would he
snipe Kaguya? She'd solo him when he phases.

Seems like phasing is almost used passively while snipe is active,
I don't see why they can't be used at the same time. Although
I don't see why both would need to be used at the same time either.

By the manga rules it is impossible for now, I proved it.

If you disagree fine but prove me that I am wrong using manga scans and stating facts as result of that scans.

Thank you for cooperation

 

[-immortal-]

You didn't understand my point, too bad.

I didn't mean hype like being invincible, just stating that ability or such abilities used together can be done or no.

That all

Oh now i understand. I thought u where going the old way. Oh well, kishi got years to do this so he better make it right

 

[KCMNaruto]

Oh now i understand. I thought u where going the old way. Oh well, kishi got years to do this so he better make it right

I am glad it finally is cleared

Now let's wait and see if Fourth Databook proves Kamui fans right, give them hope at least or destroy completly possibility of phasing && sniping

 

[Sigma 103]

Wait, so Kakashi could use Phase Kamui too???

 

[KCMNaruto]

Wait, so Kakashi could use Phase Kamui too???

No, it was some Kamui fanboys wish and statement that he could but today I proved it impossible with manga facts, well at least for now.

But as you can see Obito is dead so only way to change it is through new FOURTH databook which will be released soon.

 

[3MESSIAH]

You've gone through a lot of trouble for a theory that has no answer bro Lol

If we think about it logically,phasing and sniping at the same time should not be possible...as it was stated before,obito can not warp things while he is phasing because he technically isnt in the same dimension for him to be able to do so....in the same manner sniping and phasing at the same time should be impossible too if we think about it from the previos assumption....he cant snipe/warp because he is in the kamui dimension at the time and he cant interact with things outside the kamui dimension for the time of phasing...

That was the first point of view
The second point of view indicates the possibility of it being quite possible....let's say the reason for obito not being able to warp sth isnt the fact of him being in another dimension or in his specific case in a state of travelling to another dimension...but the fact he cant activate two different techniques of the same eye at the same time...now that problem is solved with both eyes...he can theoretically activate phasing in one eye and sniping in the other eye at the same time....

So in the end it can or cant be possible...it all depends on which point of view you stand for or what you believe....i guess the databook will prove it in the end

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Lol. Makes own rules to prove/disprove abilities then proceeds to use what ifs to prove himself.

 

[Demonic.]

Lol. Makes own rules to prove/disprove abilities then proceeds to use what ifs to prove himself.

This thread ain't for people who wank Kamui up the ass.


Great thread.

 

[Migster257]

Naruto hasn't been shown to be able to have an orgasm, nor was it stated anywhere that he can. I suppose using your logic, Naruto is unable to pleasure himself.

 

[Scryed]

You've gone through a lot of trouble for a theory that has no answer bro Lol

If we think about it logically,phasing and sniping at the same time should not be possible...as it was stated before,obito can not warp things while he is phasing because he technically isnt in the same dimension for him to be able to do so....in the same manner sniping and phasing at the same time should be impossible too if we think about it from the previos assumption....he cant snipe/warp because he is in the kamui dimension at the time and he cant interact with things outside the kamui dimension for the time of phasing...

That was the first point of view
The second point of view indicates the possibility of it being quite possible....let's say the reason for obito not being able to warp sth isnt the fact of him being in another dimension or in his specific case in a state of travelling to another dimension...but the fact he cant activate two different techniques of the same eye at the same time...now that problem is solved with both eyes...he can theoretically activate phasing in one eye and sniping in the other eye at the same time....

So in the end it can or cant be possible...it all depends on which point of view you stand for or what you believe....i guess the databook will prove it in the end

It's not some kind of projection of him. The parts of his body that overlap with something else are what's sent to the other dimension. He simply appears to be intangible when he actually isn't.

If his hand could still be seen, then it's still in the real world. It's only sent to the other dimension when it overlaps with something. If an invisible ball were to be placed where his head is, he would appear to be headless since it is literally sent to his dimension. That's how I understood Kakashi's explanation.




One-MS Obito couldn't warp himself while overlapping with something simply because his eye was already using Kamui to pass through things. Kamui was already being used. Not to mention, if he were actually able to use both functions with one eye then he would rip off the part of him that isn't there. That "Ghost Mode" does seem like a mode that has to be turned on or off. As shown when Obito's hand accidently passed through Rin's face.


Distance Kamui only requires eye contact and does not use the same eye. As long as his eye is still in the real world, I don't see why he can't use the eye that's currently not being used.

Unless only one function of Kamui can be used per individual at a time. Right eye-Phasing, Left eye-Distance, Both eyes-Portals.

Unfortunately, this still hasn't been made clear so I would rather not use this in an argument. I won't say that he can but I also won't say that he can't. I just don't know and that alone is enough for me not to bring both Kamui functions at the same time in a discussion.

 

[SupremeWater]

Hello guys, so finally it is time to end this debate about this possibility at least for now. Before I go to the main point I would like to recall or for some guys it may be new so estabilish the ABSOLUTE RULES for PROOFS of character's feat and PROOFS that this can NOT be character's feats in the manga, so here I go:

WAYS TO PROVE CHARACTER's feat/s:

Spoiler

• 1. The character of such ability stating that he/she can use certain ability, or characters close to him/her and having wide knowledge about him/her stating that he/she CAN do it [Depends of credibility of such character]
  
• 2. Statement in Databook about character being able to do something [Well unless it is contradicted by manga statement later or the ability is shown falling/not workiing later then as the Author's word this is feat.]
  
• 3. Manga scan of character using such ability or abilities at the same time [The best walking proof of feat]

Now , let take a look at the the ways to disprove character can do something.

WAYS TO DISPROVE CHARACTER's feat/s :

Spoiler

• 1. The character of such ability stating that he/she can not use certain ability, or characters close to him/her and having wide knowledge about him/her stating that he/she can NOT do it [Depends of credibility of such character]
  
• 2. Statement in Databook about character being unable to do something or lack of that information [Well unless it is contradicted by manga statement later or the ability is shown falling/not working later then as the Author's word this is impossible to do for such character.]
  
• 3. Manga scan of character trying to use such ability or abilities at the same time and failing or lack of such ability being USED ON-SCREEN [The best walking proof of character being unable to do something]

Of Course now, The fanboys of Kamui will attack me and try to put me down by stating it can be changed at author's whim. Is that true ?

Yes, it is. Let's me specify HOW the manga facts can be CHANGED.

WAYS TO CHANGE MANGA FACT/S :

Spoiler

• 1. Statement in New Databook about character being able/unable to do something or lack contradicting the statement in previous databook [Well unless it is contradicted by manga statement later or the ability is shown falling/not workiing later then as the Author's word this is feat.]
  
• 2. Manga scan of character using such ability or abilities which was eariler stated as impossible to do for him/her or trying to use such ability or abilities at the same time and failing after eariler being able to do it(impossible to happen but I include it anyway) [The base and absolute requirement is CHARACTER HAS TO BE ALIVE !

Now when we are done with this stuff, I will bring two examples to show differences how it would work. So let's take "Sasuke can use Shinra Tensei" and "Kamui user can snipe while phasing" statements of fans.

Spoiler

IN FIRST CASE, Sasuke is still ALIVE. Even although he hasn't shown being able to use such ability, it still can CHANGE BY MANGA SCAN OR BY DATABOOK.

IN SECOND CASE, Obito is deceased/dead. It EXCLUDES second option right away, leaving only Databook statement as hope for Kamui users to be right.

Let's analyze three different possibilities for Kamui fans to prove their statement:

Spoiler

1. Databook states Kamui user can not Snipe while phasing == CAN NOT
2. Databook skip info about Kamui user being able or not snipe while phasing = CAN NOT
3. Databook states Kamui user can Snipe while phasing == CAN

See ? only third point can prove Kamui fans being right. Now I will go into details about Title thread:

Obito can NOT use Kamui snipe while phasing and I have good proofs for that:

Spoiler

1. The manga has never shown neither Obito or Kakashi using Kamui snipe while phasing, It was never stated that he can as well. - 3rd Point of disproving feats fullilled

"Not shown != can not do it until it will be shownn" accepted by everyone simple law about feats of characters.

2. However there is another harder proof which completly show neither Obito or Kakashi can kamui snipe while phasing. The proof lays in Kishi creating specifically conditions/opportunity/ties for certain character to proves being able to use certain ability or combo.

In Obito's case there was no such case, sadly. However arguably Obito's charka powered DMS Kakashi with Rikudou chakra had two opportunities in which he could display such feat, and Kishi made him not to either restrict/nerf him or simply show "Kamui user can not do it"

a) First opportunity was when Kakashi was phasing through ash bone while approaching flying at him Kaguya at full speed. Kakashi could easily uses Kamui snipe if he could:

Spoiler

You must be registered for see images

These excusses as She has even better S/T and She can regenerate. First has nothing to with it, unless you finally admit Kaguya could enter Kamui dimenssion at any moment, while second one makes not difference as nothing stopped Kaguya from regenerate from Kamui Raikiri which was just new show off as fan service because Kamui snipe would do the same thing(it could rip her arm and even more the arm along with BZ could be warped to other dimenssion - better result)

b) When Kakashi was falling down and used Kamui snipe Kishi would easily hype Kamui users even more by making either Kaguya or BZ shooting ash bone and make it phasing through Kakashi while he was warping her Space time Portal from which ash bone was emerging to hit Naruto:

Spoiler

You must be registered for see images

Even If logic could say that making just Eye stay tangible while rest of body phasing would be enough then it still doesn't make it true as manga has shown it can not be done.

RESULT: Kamui user can not use long range warp while phasing .

UNLESS NEW FOURTH DATABOOK WILL STATES OTHERWISE, SO PRAYING IS ONLY WHAT YOU CAN DO Kamui fanboys.
Well Hope dies last, so who knows.

Thank you for reading ! U_U

Please Share your thoughts cool

Obito and Kakashi can use Both short and long range Kamui ,, DEAL WITH IT

 

[KCMNaruto]

You've gone through a lot of trouble for a theory that has no answer bro Lol

If we think about it logically,phasing and sniping at the same time should not be possible...as it was stated before,obito can not warp things while he is phasing because he technically isnt in the same dimension for him to be able to do so....in the same manner sniping and phasing at the same time should be impossible too if we think about it from the previos assumption....he cant snipe/warp because he is in the kamui dimension at the time and he cant interact with things outside the kamui dimension for the time of phasing...

That was the first point of view
The second point of view indicates the possibility of it being quite possible....let's say the reason for obito not being able to warp sth isnt the fact of him being in another dimension or in his specific case in a state of travelling to another dimension...but the fact he cant activate two different techniques of the same eye at the same time...now that problem is solved with both eyes...he can theoretically activate phasing in one eye and sniping in the other eye at the same time....

So in the end it can or cant be possible...it all depends on which point of view you stand for or what you believe....i guess the databook will prove it in the end

There is no need to go through it as wanted, unless they can bring manga scan or manga statement showing/stating he can do, There is no if or buts.

Although Good explanation and efforts I admit, but The manga rule is absolute so

HE CAN NOT FOR NOW U_U

Lol. Makes own rules to prove/disprove abilities then proceeds to use what ifs to prove himself.

Checking for scans or manga statement proving his point....

Result: Not found

Answer: stay butthurt

This thread ain't for people who wank Kamui up the ass.

Great thread.

Thank you, the one who understand it

Naruto hasn't been shown to be able to have an orgasm, nor was it stated anywhere that he can. I suppose using your logic, Naruto is unable to pleasure himself.

Checking for scans or manga statement proving his point....

Result: Not found, instead

Answer: why so desperate ? also what hax ability has to do with something like having orgasm... pathetic U_U

It's not some kind of projection of him. The parts of his body that overlap with something else are what's sent to the other dimension. He simply appears to be intangible when he actually isn't.

If his hand could still be seen, then it's still in the real world. It's only sent to the other dimension when it overlaps with something. If an invisible ball were to be placed where his head is, he would appear to be headless since it is literally sent to his dimension. That's how I understood Kakashi's explanation.

One-MS Obito couldn't warp himself while overlapping with something simply because his eye was already using Kamui to pass through things. Kamui was already being used. Not to mention, if he were actually able to use both functions with one eye then he would rip off the part of him that isn't there. That "Ghost Mode" does seem like a mode that has to be turned on or off. As shown when Obito's hand accidently passed through Rin's face.

Distance Kamui only requires eye contact and does not use the same eye. As long as his eye is still in the real world, I don't see why he can't use the eye that's currently not being used.

Unless only one function of Kamui can be used per individual at a time. Right eye-Phasing, Left eye-Distance, Both eyes-Portals.

Unfortunately, this still hasn't been made clear so I would rather not use this in an argument. I won't say that he can but I also won't say that he can't. I just don't know and that alone is enough for me not to bring both Kamui functions at the same time in a discussion.

Well we can talk and analyze it all the day and much longer, and no conclusion will come. However using Absolute manga rules and common along Naruto readers acepted way of proving something as feat or disproving,

It is simple proved that he can NOT, unless Databook states otherwise.

Obito and Kakashi can use Both short and long range Kamui ,, DEAL WITH IT

Checking for scans or manga statement proving his point....

Result: Not found

Answer: Stop waisting my time, thank you

 

[3MESSIAH]

It's not some kind of projection of him. The parts of his body that overlap with something else are what's sent to the other dimension. He simply appears to be intangible when he actually isn't.

If his hand could still be seen, then it's still in the real world. It's only sent to the other dimension when it overlaps with something. If an invisible ball were to be placed where his head is, he would appear to be headless since it is literally sent to his dimension. That's how I understood Kakashi's explanation.




One-MS Obito couldn't warp himself while overlapping with something simply because his eye was already using Kamui to pass through things. Kamui was already being used. Not to mention, if he were actually able to use both functions with one eye then he would rip off the part of him that isn't there. That "Ghost Mode" does seem like a mode that has to be turned on or off. As shown when Obito's hand accidently passed through Rin's face.


Distance Kamui only requires eye contact and does not use the same eye. As long as his eye is still in the real world, I don't see why he can't use the eye that's currently not being used.

Unless only one function of Kamui can be used per individual at a time. Right eye-Phasing, Left eye-Distance, Both eyes-Portals.

Unfortunately, this still hasn't been made clear so I would rather not use this in an argument. I won't say that he can but I also won't say that he can't. I just don't know and that alone is enough for me not to bring both Kamui functions at the same time in a discussion.

Yes that's why i said he is in a STATE of travelling to another dimension rather than actually being in another dimension..i meant the same thing as you,i only said it differently...i personally agree with the second theory in my post,that being that he can snipe and phase at the same time because he is usinf dufferent eyes...the first theory was just a way of thinking

 

[AlphaScythian]

'blah blah blah kamui solos, blal blah blah im butthurt, blah blah blah imma make failed thread proving shit, blah blah blah i hate kamui cuz it solos hagoromo'

 

[KCMNaruto]

'blah blah blah kamui solos, blal blah blah im butthurt, blah blah blah imma make failed thread proving shit, blah blah blah i hate kamui cuz it solos hagoromo'

Checking for scans or manga statement proving his point....

Result: Not found

Answer: stay butthurt