Manda vs Hiruzen

Who would win?

  • Hiruzen

    Votes: 2 16.7%
  • Manda

    Votes: 10 83.3%

  • Total voters
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This, I thought, would be an interesting match. Summons are never used in VS matches, and they're never used in top 20 lists, while it's true that Manda is not top 20 material, he's still a force to be reckoned with.

Restrictions:
- This is any Hiruzen you want, you can make it 'prime' Hiruzen, but all his feats have to come from the manga.
- This is Manda when he fought Bunta and Katsuyu, not Manda II
- Hiruzen is not allowed to use Shiki Fujin, because that would be a draw
- Starting distance: 100m
- Location: Where the Sannin battle took place

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I am voting Manda, and I will explain why...

Manda is the boss summon of the snakes, and he's the biggest collosal snake that exists ( with the exception of Manda II ). His mouth can open as wide as to completely swallow Bunta, be was fast enough to , and while he's at it. Not only that, but he disarmed Bunta while killing Katsuyu, and , who barely managed to jump out of the way.

He also one of the greatest Katon techs, which was made by Jiraiya and Bunta together, by shedding his skin. After this, he fooled Bunta, and if it wasn't for Tsunade, .

Now onto the fight...

We know that Hiruzen can use two types of elements, Katon and Doton. is not nearly as powerful as the one Jiraiya and Bunta performed, and will be easy for Manda to dodge, not to mention tank.

His second jutsu is his , which will obviously have little to no impact in a battle with a collossal snake.

Besides those two, he can use the Shadow Clone and Shuriken Shadow Clone techniques. His Shadow Clones can come in handy, since Manda will have to distinguish multiple targets, but this wouldn't be a problem, since Manda is extremely fast and can take out multiple opponents with ease, especially small ones.
Hiruzen's last bet would be to summon Enma, and use the . It can be used by Hiruzen to extend and push Manda away, if it manages to his, that is. However, this is all it can do, as we've seen . It can also be used as a to either imprison Manda, or guard Hiruzen. This would seem to be Hiruzen's best bet, but it's not a way to succesfully kill manda.

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tl;dr version:
Hiruzen hasn't shown enough feats to be able to defeat Manda, and Manda is just too big, fast and powerful for him to handle. In my opinion, Manda can beat Hiruzen.

I'd like to hear other people's opinion on this, but please take the time to think logically in this one, and something like 'Hiruzen prime is god of shinobi' is not a good argument, because you still can't find a way for him to kill Manda.
 

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This, I thought, would be an interesting match. Summons are never used in VS matches, and they're never used in top 20 lists, while it's true that Manda is not top 20 material, he's still a force to be reckoned with.

Restrictions:
- This is any Hiruzen you want, you can make it 'prime' Hiruzen, but all his feats have to come from the manga.
- This is Manda when he fought Bunta and Katsuyu, not Manda II
- Hiruzen is not allowed to use Shiki Fujin, because that would be a draw
- Starting distance: 100m
- Location: Where the Sannin battle took place

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I am voting Manda, and I will explain why...

Manda is the boss summon of the snakes, and he's the biggest collosal snake that exists ( with the exception of Manda II ). His mouth can open as wide as to completely swallow Bunta, be was fast enough to , and while he's at it. Not only that, but he disarmed Bunta while killing Katsuyu, and , who barely managed to jump out of the way.

He also one of the greatest Katon techs, which was made by Jiraiya and Bunta together, by shedding his skin. After this, he fooled Bunta, and if it wasn't for Tsunade, .

Now onto the fight...

We know that Hiruzen can use two types of elements, Katon and Doton. is not nearly as powerful as the one Jiraiya and Bunta performed, and will be easy for Manda to dodge, not to mention tank.

His second jutsu is his , which will obviously have little to no impact in a battle with a collossal snake.

Besides those two, he can use the Shadow Clone and Shuriken Shadow Clone techniques. His Shadow Clones can come in handy, since Manda will have to distinguish multiple targets, but this wouldn't be a problem, since Manda is extremely fast and can take out multiple opponents with ease, especially small ones.
Hiruzen's last bet would be to summon Enma, and use the . It can be used by Hiruzen to extend and push Manda away, if it manages to his, that is. However, this is all it can do, as we've seen . It can also be used as a to either imprison Manda, or guard Hiruzen. This would seem to be Hiruzen's best bet, but it's not a way to succesfully kill manda.

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tl;dr version:
Hiruzen hasn't shown enough feats to be able to defeat Manda, and Manda is just too big, fast and powerful for him to handle. In my opinion, Manda can beat Hiruzen.

I'd like to hear other people's opinion on this, but please take the time to think logically in this one, and something like 'Hiruzen prime is god of shinobi' is not a good argument, because you still can't find a way for him to kill Manda.

The amount of effort you put into this thread is really evident. I'm going to have to agree with you, but realistically with Plot no Jutsu Hiruzen wouldn't lose to a summon, even if it is one of the three boss summons.
 

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The amount of effort you put into this thread is really evident. I'm going to have to agree with you, but realistically with Plot no Jutsu Hiruzen wouldn't lose to a summon, even if it is one of the three boss summons.

Well, VS threads are always about logical outcomes, and they're meant to show that without plot-no-jutsu, the outcome of a fight could be different from what it would be in the manga.
 

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Enma alone would be able to take care of Manda. He's faster, stronger, can't be hurt by him, etc. Hiruzen could just sit back and watch if he wanted to, as Manda has no way of piercing Enma's harder than diamond skin. Enma would just beat him in to submission. At worst, Hiruzen will have to use him in adamantine form.
 
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